So why did they decide to rearrange the points for 2010?

[edk35]

I keep reading how people are not happy and all but why do you think they chose to do this?? Is it to get more people in for a weekend that live close by?? What exactly?? My week in July for BCV stayed the same in a two bedroom. Not much has changed for us....maybe a couple of points for Nov. at SSR. I just want to know why the powers that be decided to adjust points that way. Do you think that more cash ressies are being used on weekends vs. points or that units are empty on the weekends?? Just curious as to what others think.

 

[Granny]

There's a ton of banter about this in the 1,000+ post Disney Changed the 2010 point charts thread.

Some think it's a devious plan to make people do add-ons since their point totals no longer meet their vacation needs.

Others feel that it is trying to offset the people staying off-site on weekends or (heaven forbid) staying on Universal property for the weekend which is a favorite strategy of many.

Still others feel that it is just Disney evening out the demand, as they are obliged to do, for all villas and all days and all weeks of the year. If Sun-Thurs had really gotten out of whack and weekends were showing consistently low occupancy then the changes make sense.

Regardless of the reason, it was clearly not handled well from an announcement timing/early warning aspect.

 

[edk35]

There's a ton of banter about this in the 1,000+ post Disney Changed the 2010 point charts thread.

Some think it's a devious plan to make people do add-ons since their point totals no longer meet their vacation needs.

Others feel that it is trying to offset the people staying off-site on weekends or (heaven forbid) staying on Universal property for the weekend which is a favorite strategy of many.

Still others feel that it is just Disney evening out the demand, as they are obliged to do, for all villas and all days and all weeks of the year. If Sun-Thurs had really gotten out of whack and weekends were showing consistently low occupancy then the changes make sense.

Regardless of the reason, it was clearly not handled well from an announcement timing/early warning aspect.

Ah ha.....hmmmm not sure if I am brave enough to venture over to that thread.

 

[robandkelly13]

That thread is crazy over there. I really don't agree with half of what is said. I somewhat understand, why they moved the points around. The time we go it went up 1 point but we bought 10 points over, for our 2 bedroom. It does not really affect us. I would stay away from that other thread especially someone telling me that if I can't fork out 50k up front I should not be a member of DVC. If I had that much to fork out at one time then I would not need DVC. Also to have someone tell you are the cause of your own problems does not make any sense either.

 

[DVC Mike]

To sum it up:

All point-based timeshares have an obligation to keep supply and demand in balance as much as possible. Apparently, too many people were booking Sun-Thur and not enough people were booking Fri-Sat, creating an imbalance. Point-based timeshares are designed to be at nearly 100% capacity every day.

I'm surprised it took DVC this long to reallocate points.

 

[DisDaydreamer]

I keep reading how people are not happy and all but why do you think they chose to do this?? Is it to get more people in for a weekend that live close by?? What exactly?? My week in July for BCV stayed the same in a two bedroom. Not much has changed for us....maybe a couple of points for Nov. at SSR. I just want to know why the powers that be decided to adjust points that way. Do you think that more cash ressies are being used on weekends vs. points or that units are empty on the weekends?? Just curious as to what others think.

Hey Denise,

Honestly, I think the vast majority of members visit Sunday thru Thursday and these are mostly smaller contracts. This increase in the weekday points will cause these people with limited points to make a choice between a shorter vacation or purchasing more points. If it turns out that 10% purchase additional points Disney is making a lot of new income. JMHO

I feel if this is in fact just a balancing act to make things right, then Disney needs to give us more than one point transfer opportunity (per year) to make this change work for all members. If I have 20 points I'm not going to use... I would love to transfer some to those who need a few to make their plans work out.

 

[edk35]

That thread is crazy over there. I really don't agree with half of what is said. I somewhat understand, why they moved the points around. The time we go it went up 1 point but we bought 10 points over, for our 2 bedroom. It does not really affect us. I would stay away from that other thread especially someone telling me that if I can't fork out 50k up front I should not be a member of DVC. If I had that much to fork out at one time then I would not need DVC. Also to have someone tell you are the cause of your own problems does not make any sense either.

I went to the last page and read those few posts and said "I AM OUTTA THERE" That thread is a mess. WOW

 

[edk35]

Hey Denise,

Honestly, I think the vast majority of members visit Sunday thru Thursday and these are mostly smaller contracts. This increase in the weekday points will cause these people with limited points to make a choice between a shorter vacation or purchasing more points. If it turns out that 10% purchase additional points Disney is making a lot of new income. JMHO

I feel if this is in fact just a balancing act to make things right, then Disney needs to give us more than one point transfer opportunity (per year) to make this change work for all members. If I have 20 points I'm not going to use... I would love to transfer some to those who need a few to make their plans work out.

Hey there. Yes I agree with that. I am sure people did buy in figuring out exactly what points they needed for certain times of year. I guess this is a big mess for some. Maybe something else will come down the pipe to help with this.

 

[edk35]

To sum it up:

All point-based timeshares have an obligation to keep supply and demand in balance as much as possible. Apparently, too many people were booking Sun-Thur and not enough people were booking Fri-Sat, creating an imbalance. Point-based timeshares are designed to be at nearly 100% capacity every day.

I'm surprised it took DVC this long to reallocate points.

That is exactly what I was thinking.....that maybe the weekends were not where they wanted them capacity wise. I wonder how those of us that used the occasional discounted weekend will feel about this change. I really don't know. I used a few cash weekend nights last summer so that we could spend 14 nights there.

 

[DeeCee735]

I spoke to my guide today, I had a couple of questions about selling my 50 point AKV add on (just purchased a few months ago), because in light of the points change, I'm thinking we'd be much better off having those extra 50 on our larger ownership of 235 at BWV. Anyway, during the conversation, I asked her why Disney did this, and did the guides know it was coming. She said the guides were as taken by surprise as the members. She also explained that they have "engineers" that review the utilization of the villas and go over the points allocations and it came up that Sunday-Thursday nights were booked and many members who were trying to get villas for those nights were not able to because they are the first to book up, yet weekend nights were open. So it made much sense for the members and DVC as well to balance out the nights of the week so that people would book weekends more often enabling more members access to Sunday - Thursday nights as well as it working in DVC's favor not to have open rooms on weekends.

She also explained that the entire chart for the year cannot increase but weeks/seasons can change. If one season goes up, another must come down, etc. I see a difference in Presidents week, for example. It's higher now than it was before and I'm guessing that's because it's become a more popular travel week?

I'm already "over" the change. We have 285 points, and we'll just have to work with that. We don't see purchasing any more, maybe just borrowing more than usual.

 

[edk35]

I spoke to my guide today, I had a couple of questions about selling my 50 point AKV add on (just purchased a few months ago), because in light of the points change, I'm thinking we'd be much better off having those extra 50 on our larger ownership of 235 at BWV. Anyway, during the conversation, I asked her why Disney did this, and did the guides know it was coming. She said the guides were as taken by surprise as the members. She also explained that they have "engineers" that review the utilization of the villas and go over the points allocations and it came up that Sunday-Thursday nights were booked and many members who were trying to get villas for those nights were not able to because they are the first to book up, yet weekend nights were open. So it made much sense for the members and DVC as well to balance out the nights of the week so that people would book weekends more often enabling more members access to Sunday - Thursday nights as well as it working in DVC's favor not to have open rooms on weekends.

She also explained that the entire chart for the year cannot increase but weeks/seasons can change. If one season goes up, another must come down, etc. I see a difference in Presidents week, for example. It's higher now than it was before and I'm guessing that's because it's become a more popular travel week?

I'm already "over" the change. We have 285 points, and we'll just have to work with that. We don't see purchasing any more, maybe just borrowing more than usual.

This does make sense then. I can also see why people are up in arms too though. However I am like you....we have what we have in points and we will do what we can. I mean I think we all go into this DVC membership expecting to travel at certain times of year, with x amt. of people in our party but all of that changes as years go by. Right now some people may feel they don't have enough points....so borrow a few from the next UY.... I have NO problems borrowing.......because the "future is never promised and it is hard to predict the future too". SO why not use the membership that way. Some years you might have less people in your party so you can stay in a smaller unit or maybe you travel in a different season. That is how I look at it I guess.

 

[DisDaydreamer]

I spoke to my guide today, I had a couple of questions about selling my 50 point AKV add on (just purchased a few months ago), because in light of the points change, I'm thinking we'd be much better off having those extra 50 on our larger ownership of 235 at BWV. Anyway, during the conversation, I asked her why Disney did this, and did the guides know it was coming. She said the guides were as taken by surprise as the members. She also explained that they have "engineers" that review the utilization of the villas and go over the points allocations and it came up that Sunday-Thursday nights were booked and many members who were trying to get villas for those nights were not able to because they are the first to book up, yet weekend nights were open. So it made much sense for the members and DVC as well to balance out the nights of the week so that people would book weekends more often enabling more members access to Sunday - Thursday nights as well as it working in DVC's favor not to have open rooms on weekends.

She also explained that the entire chart for the year cannot increase but weeks/seasons can change. If one season goes up, another must come down, etc. I see a difference in Presidents week, for example. It's higher now than it was before and I'm guessing that's because it's become a more popular travel week?

I'm already "over" the change. We have 285 points, and we'll just have to work with that. We don't see purchasing any more, maybe just borrowing more than usual.

All things considered this change won't really change anything for us.

BUT, I Really have to press this point... If this is just to balance the demand then DVC needs to let us transfer points to help each other and to make it possible for the impacted owners to snag a few points from fellow owners when needed. One time transfers aren't sufficient. Just give us two or three.

 

[edk35]

All things considered this change won't really change anything for us.

BUT, I Really have to press this point... If this is just to balance the demand then DVC needs to let us transfer points to help each other and to make it possible for the impacted owners to snag a few points from fellow owners when needed. One time transfers aren't sufficient. Just give us two or three.

I agree Rob....maybe 2 a year....would 3 be too much?? Say one a quarter??? A another DVC friend of mine and I were talking once on how we wished there was this little acct. that you could rent a point or get a few transferred in when you needed some. A cap could be put on it.........no more than 5 points a year. Sorta like the little penny cups at the checkout registers in stores. If you need one take one kinda thing....but instead we could pay for them. Don't know where the extra points would come from unless they were donated from members or sold to the "cup" by members. Does this make sense???????????????

 

[DisDaydreamer]

:Sorta like the little penny cups at the checkout registers in stores. If you need one take one kinda thing....but instead we could pay for them. Don't know where the extra points would come from unless they were donated from members or sold to the "cup" by members. Does this make sense???????????????

Very interesting Idea. I would certainly contribute a point or two when I have them just to make someone else's day.

Some companies allow people to donate their sick days to a pool... This is a real good idea.... you are a genius.

 

[edk35]

Very interesting Idea. I would certainly contribute a point or two when I have them just to make someone else's day.

Some companies allow people to donate their sick days to a pool... This is a real good idea.... you are a genius.

thank you very much.......(said in an elvis voice)

 

[disneynutz]

I keep reading how people are not happy and all but why do you think they chose to do this??

Despite what we are told by DVC, the reason for everything that DVC does is for money, to increase the bottom line.

They are a business and they have decided to put profit ahead of member satisfaction.

 

[White_Sox_Fan]

Despite what we are told by DVC, the reason for everything that DVC does is for money, to increase the bottom line.

They are a business and they have decided to put profit ahead of member satisfaction.

I'm curious, how do you feel they prosper from this?

Clearly the explaination given is the most logical and the most reasonable. I don't think there is a conspiracy here. A agree that it seems sudden and unexpected, and probably not well explained, but no matter how they inplemented these new point charts, people would still have the same complaints.

 

[photobob]

Hey Denise,

Honestly, I think the vast majority of members visit Sunday thru Thursday and these are mostly smaller contracts. This increase in the weekday points will cause these people with limited points to make a choice between a shorter vacation or purchasing more points. If it turns out that 10% purchase additional points Disney is making a lot of new income. JMHO

I feel if this is in fact just a balancing act to make things right, then Disney needs to give us more than one point transfer opportunity (per year) to make this change work for all members. If I have 20 points I'm not going to use... I would love to transfer some to those who need a few to make their plans work out.

It definitely means I either have to stay less day or go to lower accommodations. Four and five point jumps per night is pretty steep. Most of my previous stays will now cost 20-25 points more. I have a 180 point contract and it sure won't go as far as it did.

I have been a Sun-Thurs. traveler. Always planned to do it that way and try to maximize the amount we could travel. I was aware adjustments could be made, but I never dreamed that it would change this much.

 

[disneynutz]

I'm curious, how do you feel they prosper from this?

Clearly the explaination given is the most logical and the most reasonable. I don't think there is a conspiracy here. A agree that it seems sudden and unexpected, and probably not well explained, but no matter how they inplemented these new point charts, people would still have the same complaints.

Decreased point requirements for the weekend will increase weekend DVC bookings and less off site or other resort weekend bookings. It may increase the length of stay for some. Members who would now go home on Friday, may now stay until Sunday. It will also increase the bookings from locals who just want a weekend stay. That means more money directly or indirectly on the DVC books.

A increase in week day points means that many will buy more points and others will just shrug it off and not change their weekday stays. That also means a increase in profit.

It's not a conspiracy, it how companies make money. As much as we would like to think that Disney is different, it really isn't. It has a Board of Directors and Stockholders who expect to see an increase in corporate value.

Iger just received his salary package for fiscal 2008, 30 million plus 25 million in stock options. One week later they announced that Disney Parks is offering buyouts to 613 executives.

All that money has to come from somewhere.

 

[DisneydaveCT]

I have owned since the beginning of 1996, and this only the second time that I can remember an adjustment in the point schedule for OKW. And that time, I saw a reduction in the # of points required for a one-week stay in a 1-BR during my favorite time of year. Beginning in 2010, the changes will bring that same one-week for a 1BR back to the level it was when I purchased 13-years ago.

Even with these changes, I still think DVC is a great value.