So, who here actually...

I can only see it as a possible Gollum, nothing more or less. ;)

Yeah, sorry, I'm not really seeing it either. . .and I believe in these types of things.

I see no non-believers wanted to address my "reality" post.

I have another weird experience I guess I want to talk about. There was a girl that was 10 that had disappeared in a park here. It is actually one of the biggest municipal parks in the US. . .702-acres. She was entering a 5 mile drive part of the park, riding her bike, when she was last seen. Me and some friends from work were being typical teens and looking for a place to hang out and drink one night. The area where we would normally go was shut off, because they had divers in Puget Sound looking for her body. So we drove to an area outside of the park where they were building a new subdivision. It was just a street and drive ways where there were no houses yet. It was miles from where they were looking for this girl. We weren't there 5 minutes when I freaked out and told my friends we should leave. Of course they all asked me why. I told them that the girl was nearby. .. I could "smell" her. Well they all acted like I was crazy, but we high tailed it out of there anyway. And sure as ****. . .they found her body not a half mile from where we were that night. :scared1: My friends all wanted to know how I knew. I can honestly say it's not that I really smelled her. .. but it was as if I "smelled" her. It was the closest way I had of explaining what I sensed. And it wasn't some coincidental reasoning. . .I "knew" it just like you know the sky is blue!
 
I do understand a lot of the ways these experiences can be explained away. I know a lot of the photo ones usually have a reasonable explanation. And of course it can be mental perception. . .mind tricks. But for those who think it is, I wonder how that can be explained when more than one person has the same experience. For example, I know the "smell" thing might be explained by some kind of olfactory memory, but when both me and my Mom smelled my Dad (and it wasn't suggestion, as Mom didn't tell me she smelled him.) how do you explain those things? :confused3

I guess my personal philosophy is that maybe we just haven't gotten the science down yet, not that it doesn't exist. Kind of like people used to think the world was flat. The world was not flat, but because that is how most people perceived it, it was their "truth." There are scientific theories showing that time is relative. . .but most of us have a hard time believing that from what we experience. There are also scientific theories (string theory) that show that it is possible to have dimensions in time. So who's to say that our "ghosts" aren't within another dimension? Idk. . .all interesting to ponder.

If you really want to get into the philosophy of reality. Who's to say anything is real? Everything you are experiencing could just be a figment of your imagination. What your mind is experiencing may just be an illusion. I think if you want to use the argument that these types of experiences are just illusion of the mind. . .then it stands to reason that other experiences are also. . .including everything. We define reality by what we can experience through our own senses. . .hence why "reality" sometimes is obviously relative. Where lies the truth? For people that claim they only believe in what they can experience, who's to say everything you are experiencing isn't an illusion and the truth lies somewhere else?


These are some deep interesting questions, I have no answers for you. I never pretend to know everything or to be able to explain everything, I was just stating my non-believing opinion and wondering what others thought. If you start seriously thinking about questions of reality and perception you can totally freak yourself out. Maybe we're all still plugged in and ghosts are just a glitch in the Matrix.:lmao:

I have an interesting question, I brought this up to DH on date night last night, he is also a skeptic, and we were wondering if ghosts are real and able to physically move objects then theoretically shouldn't they be able to type. If a ghost can stack up chairs then surely it can type a message on say it's Facebook page. Ghosts should be able to keep up their online life and keep in touch with family and friends because they can type them messages on Facebook! This works too if you believe that they cannot physically effect objects, but rather use energy, shouldn't they be able to zoom into the computer and let their continued prescence be known to the world? Can you imagine the status updates we would receive from the other side?:rotfl:

I can't believe this thread has generated so much interest, yeah me for picking a cool, fun topic! Again all ideas are welcomed, I honestly do not think anyone is crazy or delusional, sometimes I wonder if I'm the one with the problem because I can't convince myself to believe in anything and have to constantly question everything I hear. I'm like this about rumors and urban legends too! :goodvibes
 
I see no non-believers wanted to address my "reality" post.

Okay, okay...:lmao:

If you really want to get into the philosophy of reality. Who's to say anything is real? Everything you are experiencing could just be a figment of your imagination. What your mind is experiencing may just be an illusion. I think if you want to use the argument that these types of experiences are just illusion of the mind. . .then it stands to reason that other experiences are also. . .including everything. We define reality by what we can experience through our own senses. . .hence why "reality" sometimes is obviously relative. Where lies the truth? For people that claim they only believe in what they can experience, who's to say everything you are experiencing isn't an illusion and the truth lies somewhere else?

Deep thoughts...;)

"Reason" tells us the exact opposite of what you propose above. Reality is not solely defined by what we can experience as individuals, it is also defined by what we experience collectively as a human species. Thus, a shared reality for many is just that...reality.

Who's to say everything we experience isn't an illusion? Without intending to offend you, my opinion is this: Unless there is some sort of phsychological issue or delusional episode, everyone is experiencing reality outside of the realm of whatever fantastical illusions may be held within their minds. And we all know it. Why would you think otherwise? And what leads you to your conclusion that it may be otherwise?

In order to further explain my point above, I'll say this: for some of us, a belief in ghosts, spirits, God, etc. is not simply explained by and through "illusions of the mind". Belief can be explained through other means as well..."belief" in the unproven and unexplained can be (for example) a crutch, a necessity for some, a learned behavior, it can be taught by parents or other individuals, and it can even be invented for self-serving purposes. If belief was based simply on an "illusion of the mind" we'd have lots more folks who didn't believe in other entities (think God), because their minds haven't played that "trick" on them.
 
...I see no non-believers wanted to address my "reality" post...

Maybe because it doesn't change our perception of reality. If your starting point is the same as mine, that there is a rational explanation for all of these events, then you don't need a metaphysical discussion to rationalize any of it - nor does a metaphysical hypothesis change anything. :3dglasses
 

I have an interesting question, I brought this up to DH on date night last night, he is also a skeptic, and we were wondering if ghosts are real and able to physically move objects then theoretically shouldn't they be able to type. If a ghost can stack up chairs then surely it can type a message on say it's Facebook page. Ghosts should be able to keep up their online life and keep in touch with family and friends because they can type them messages on Facebook! This works too if you believe that they cannot physically effect objects, but rather use energy, shouldn't they be able to zoom into the computer and let their continued prescence be known to the world? Can you imagine the status updates we would receive from the other side?
Spirits don't have bodies anymore. They're in energy form. They are capable of communicating but it takes an extraordinary effort on their part to accomplish even slight things such as turning a light on or making a sound. (I've seen it compared to being similar to holding your breath under water.) Which is why, if you want to believe - or at least open your mind to it - it's good to pay attention to the small things. A familiar smell is one way they can try to let us know it's them.
 
These are some deep interesting questions, I have no answers for you. I never pretend to know everything or to be able to explain everything, I was just stating my non-believing opinion and wondering what others thought. If you start seriously thinking about questions of reality and perception you can totally freak yourself out. Maybe we're all still plugged in and ghosts are just a glitch in the Matrix.:lmao:

I have an interesting question, I brought this up to DH on date night last night, he is also a skeptic, and we were wondering if ghosts are real and able to physically move objects then theoretically shouldn't they be able to type. If a ghost can stack up chairs then surely it can type a message on say it's Facebook page. Ghosts should be able to keep up their online life and keep in touch with family and friends because they can type them messages on Facebook! This works too if you believe that they cannot physically effect objects, but rather use energy, shouldn't they be able to zoom into the computer and let their continued prescence be known to the world? Can you imagine the status updates we would receive from the other side?:rotfl:

I can't believe this thread has generated so much interest, yeah me for picking a cool, fun topic! Again all ideas are welcomed, I honestly do not think anyone is crazy or delusional, sometimes I wonder if I'm the one with the problem because I can't convince myself to believe in anything and have to constantly question everything I hear. I'm like this about rumors and urban legends too! :goodvibes

Well. . .this is something I usually hesitate to mention, because I dunno. . .well.

Okay. When I lived in the haunted house, I was really, really, really into Sims2. I had several multi-generational families who had all intermarried and had big rambling houses and, uhm. Yeah. Anyway, my favorite family at one time was a mom a dad and their two kids. The woman was the closest to me I had in the game. My coloring, my taste in clothes. Their house was decorated the way I'd like my house to be decorated. One day, while I was playing, the toddler's rabbit's head in this house turned 360 in place. Just the head. Not the ears or any other part of it. (The rabbit head is a child's toy that teaches essential skills to a toddler.) Weird, but I thought it was a glitch.

A few weeks later, I sat down to play and the mom was GONE. Dad was there, the kids were there, and here's the weird part - her picture was still on the family, her husband still had his memories of her, they still shared kids, but the character? Was wiped out like she never existed.

There were only 2 people in our houseold, myself and my DH. I'm pretty sure my DH had no interest in my Sims 2 game. I went and checked the character files, and sure enough the character number I was pretty sure should be her - just missing.

I checked my security programs and none had run in that directory that day.

Go figure. I never mention this is when I tell the tale of my haunted house, but those two little things have always bugged me.

I had some other things happen to me in that house that I directly attribute to the ghost, but could be easily written off as belonging either to my imagination, a dream, or outside, but non-paranormal causes. These things, taken all together, along with the fact that our fireplace had a "safety oven" that was obviously added later along with these two instances make me wonder. (Fireplace built. A few, not too many, years later a second outside entrance to the brick oven was added and used extensively. The family who built our home had some distant family connection to the Adams who had this built into at least one of their homes where it is displayed as a real oddity, which makes me really, really wonder.)

It's my own personal belief, which could be entirely wrong, that a woman about my age was baking, and her dress caught fire. She was taken to the sick room off the main room downstairs at some point and at some point taken upstairs to the bedroom. She died. Her husband never really got over it.

But yeah. I had two things happen on the computer that I cannot explain. That doesn't make them ghostly, but. They both run counter to what logically should've happened.
 
I forgot to add to my above post that one theory as to why spirit communication is not easy is because our energy frequencies are inherently different. Essentially, theirs are high and ours our low - with some exceptions. Children and animals' frequencies are naturally higher than adults (which may help explain why they are more able to "see" spirits than adults are), and when we're in a dream state our frequencies are more on the same plane as theirs which make communication easier while dreaming (and no doubt contributed to the "it was only a dream" theories).

Speaking of dreams, many believe in the concept of "visitation dreams" where actual spirit communication takes place. I'm not going to try to convince anyone of anything, but if you want more information you can google the term. There are ways to differentiate between a regular dream and a visitation dream.

I also wanted to mention there are terms, which many associate with hokiness :cutie: , to describe the "sensing" of spirits. Because people may not only see spirits but sense them in other ways, and these ways are often not exclusive. Some may hear things, some may smell things, some may see things, etc. The terms are

clairvoyance (seeing)

clairaudience (hearing)

clairsentience (feeling/touching)

clairalience (smelling)

Read more: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clairvoyance
 
I used to be a non believer, but one dark and stormy night I came across this in my darkened hallway...

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This ghostly encounter still sends shivers up my spine.
 
I used to be a non believer, but one dark and stormy night I came across this in my darkened hallway...

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This ghostly encounter still sends shivers up my spine.

You may want to arm yourself with an assortment of fresh fruit!
 
I believe in ghosts because my house is haunted. :scared1:

Things will stay quiet for awhile and then all of a sudden our friendly ghost will start acting up.

I believe in life after death. :littleangel:
 
It's really just the first picture (ie yellow) that appears to show a face in the mist. To me, the photographer, it looks like a young boy who's frightened - you can see the face, eyes, nose, eyebrow, hairline, even chin line. The "face", which is to the right of the waterfall, is about half the size of it. I was surprised to see it after I got home and looked at the pictures. I posted the other pictures at someone's request just to show that those had nothing. My camera was set up on a tripod.

If I may give my opinion... please don't take it as me saying "OMG you are wrong!" or anything. I just want to give a possible normal explanation of what you see.

That is a perfect example of what is called matrixing. For some reason, you see a face in the mist. However, many other people do not (myself included).

Matrixing is simply the brain taking random items or shapes and putting them into a recognizable form. The mind wants to find these familiar forms to make sense of randomness. It's like looking at the clouds and fining a rabbit or shoes.

To me, I did not see the face until it was pointed out. At that point I could "make" the mist look like a face if I tried, but until then, it simply was not there.

I am NOT saying this is the 100% answer, however, this picture would be tossed by any of the groups I have worked with and by myself because there is a plausible normal explanation. It is not proof of the paranormal because it can be something normal.

Also, I would most likely have to hold any sort of "answer" to it because I am unable to see the EXIF data to check camera settings. This data is some of the only information that we have to what was happening at the time of the photo. You would be shocked at the number of photos we get where someone says "The flash was not used!" and yet the data shows that the flash did go off... Or that the shutter was open an extended amount of time (hello motion blur!)... or that the photo has been enhanced in some way... or any number of things.

Oh, that's another general reminder about photographic evidence. Don't use photoshop on ANY photo before it's been analyzed. It WILL get thrown out because there is now the possibility it has been messed with. Also, cell phone photos... will all the "add a ghost" apps out there, these are usually just tossed and not taken seriously. If you want to catch evidence of what has been happening to you (such as at your house) get a real camera. Cell phones are HORRIBLE.
 
If I may give my opinion... please don't take it as me saying "OMG you are wrong!" or anything. I just want to give a possible normal explanation of what you see.

That is a perfect example of what is called matrixing. For some reason, you see a face in the mist. However, many other people do not (myself included).

Matrixing is simply the brain taking random items or shapes and putting them into a recognizable form. The mind wants to find these familiar forms to make sense of randomness. It's like looking at the clouds and fining a rabbit or shoes.

To me, I did not see the face until it was pointed out. At that point I could "make" the mist look like a face if I tried, but until then, it simply was not there.

I am NOT saying this is the 100% answer, however, this picture would be tossed by any of the groups I have worked with and by myself because there is a plausible normal explanation. It is not proof of the paranormal because it can be something normal.

Also, I would most likely have to hold any sort of "answer" to it because I am unable to see the EXIF data to check camera settings. This data is some of the only information that we have to what was happening at the time of the photo. You would be shocked at the number of photos we get where someone says "The flash was not used!" and yet the data shows that the flash did go off... Or that the shutter was open an extended amount of time (hello motion blur!)... or that the photo has been enhanced in some way... or any number of things.

Oh, that's another general reminder about photographic evidence. Don't use photoshop on ANY photo before it's been analyzed. It WILL get thrown out because there is now the possibility it has been messed with. Also, cell phone photos... will all the "add a ghost" apps out there, these are usually just tossed and not taken seriously. If you want to catch evidence of what has been happening to you (such as at your house) get a real camera. Cell phones are HORRIBLE.
I don't mind you giving your opinion of the photograph. I was not trying to convince anyone of anything, just sharing it as part of the discussion (and in support of another poster). I said when I posted it, "Take from it what you will" knowing full well that some would see what I saw, and some would not. No harm, no foul. The only reason I even shared what I myself saw was because several posters asked. I have all the EXIF data on my photos. I am a hobby photographer who takes tens of thousands of photos and to my knowledge, this is the only one that had anything remotely similar, so I don't need to worry about whether my photos would be accepted by your or anyone else's group. I did want to watermark it, however, because I won't be surprised to see it turn up somewhere from someone who does see it as noteworthy. As with all of this stuff, everyone's take is a little bit different, and nobody is really right or wrong.
 
I don't mind you giving your opinion of the photograph. I was not trying to convince anyone of anything, just sharing it as part of the discussion (and in support of another poster). I said when I posted it, "Take from it what you will" knowing full well that some would see what I saw, and some would not. No harm, no foul. The only reason I even shared what I myself saw was because several posters asked. I have all the EXIF data on my photos. I am a hobby photographer who takes tens of thousands of photos and to my knowledge, this is the only one that had anything remotely similar, so I don't need to worry about whether my photos would be accepted by your or anyone else's group. I did want to watermark it, however, because I won't be surprised to see it turn up somewhere from someone who does see it as noteworthy. As with all of this stuff, everyone's take is a little bit different, and nobody is really right or wrong.

Yea, if you are not going to give something to a group to analyze, then watermarking and the like are not going to make a difference. You would just be shocked at the number of photos we get sent that have no EXIF data or that people swear were not tampered with (but obviously were). When that happens, the person analyzing it sort of has to throw up their hands and say they are unable to make a real analysis of the photo.

I appreciate that you took my post as I meant it. I love analyzing photos for the paranormal and educating others about the field. I wanted to take this example and show how this could be explained in a normal way. This way people will be able to look at their own photos and be able to make an educated decision on what to do next with it.

BTW, those photos are beautiful and I 100% understand why you would watermark them. I wish I was as good of a photographer as you.
 
Yea, if you are not going to give something to a group to analyze, then watermarking and the like are not going to make a difference. You would just be shocked at the number of photos we get sent that have no EXIF data or that people swear were not tampered with (but obviously were). When that happens, the person analyzing it sort of has to throw up their hands and say they are unable to make a real analysis of the photo.

I appreciate that you took my post as I meant it. I love analyzing photos for the paranormal and educating others about the field. I wanted to take this example and show how this could be explained in a normal way. This way people will be able to look at their own photos and be able to make an educated decision on what to do next with it.

BTW, those photos are beautiful and I 100% understand why you would watermark them. I wish I was as good of a photographer as you.
Thank you for the complement. I had an amazingly good time the night I took those photographs. Watermarking is something we've discussed on the photography board a lot. I know it won't stop anyone from hijacking my photos, but maybe it'll slow 'em down a bit. There is always a risk when you put them out there. The photos were not photoshopped, btw (for others reading).
 


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