So, tell me... is there still a problem with the party crashers??

[luvthemouse71]

Some people take pride in being cheap and getting something for nothing. I have relatives like this and it's sad. So much energy expended on how to flaunt the system. Even sadder when these people have kids and they teach the kids how to swindle.

 

[CouchTater]

My last few times I noticed very few that were able to venture beyond the main hub but that did not prevent them from staying for the parade and fireworks and taking up space. The CMS did try to randomly check but in that big of a crowd it was difficult. My idea would be to tie the party tickets to the Magic band and at 7 it delivers a mild shock to those without tickets to urge them towards the exit increasing with intensity the longer they linger. Those that fail to heed the warning will become part of the fireworks display. Might be a bit drastic I suppose.

 

[OfTheWind]

My last few times I noticed very few that were able to venture beyond the main hub but that did not prevent them from staying for the parade and fireworks and taking up space. The CMS did try to randomly check but in that big of a crowd it was difficult. My idea would be to tie the party tickets to the Magic band and at 7 it delivers a mild shock to those without tickets to urge them towards the exit increasing with intensity the longer they linger. Those that fail to heed the warning will become part of the fireworks display. Might be a bit drastic I suppose.

Thank you!

 

[LBIJim]

We have been "gently" reminded of park closure time when on our way to our last MK ride of the day, but we have never been told that we could not get into a queue before 7pm. I have never been told that I must head toward the park exit at 6:45 - just reminded of the park close time. If this is happening now it would probably make me pretty upset. I suspect that I would just ignore the CM and continue toward my planned last ride of the day.

Having CMs posted around the Hub as a gentle reminder (or even as intimidation) that the park will soon close to non-party goers is fine. But the PP said she noticed them actually turning guests away at 645pm. That's going too far. I get that they want to clear the park of day guests ASAP, but, like you, I would fully intend to get my money's worth in those last 15 minutes.

If I exit Space Mountain at 715pm or later, sure, let them cattle prod me to the exit. Even blindfolded, lest I get a glimpse of the extra cost festivities.

I think there are restrooms and a souvenier stand or two outside the gates, so that's not an issue.

 

[MaryKatesMom]

You said " It would irritate me to no end if I knew people were cheating the system and staying for a party they didn't pay for. It lessens the enjoyment of those who did pay when others try to cheat the system like that. "

This certainly didnt indicate it was "ALL about the crowd levels". At least not to me. Perhaps I was wrong. Wouldnt be the first time, or the last. I got the impression that it bothered you if others were cheating the system. Guess I was mistaken.

As a PP noted if you worked in loss prevention you would understand how stealing of services only negatively affects other customers.

The cost of someone stealing those services is past along in higher costs to the rest of us.

 

[LBIJim]

But why would you purposely stand in a 40 minute ride 1 minute before you're supposed to be past the gates? Do you get a rush from only slightly breaking the rules?

Non party goers don't have to be past the gates at 7pm. They just can't enter any attractions past that time, and are expected to leave quickly once 7pm arrives. Entering a longish line at 659pm isn't breaking the rules, even slightly. The only rush I would get is from experiencing the attraction. I wouldn't be "getting away" with something.

Do most party ticket holders get a rush slightly breaking the rules by entering at 4pm instead of waiting until 7pm like they're "supposed" to?

 

[ldo]

"Do most party ticket holders get a rush slightly breaking the rules by entering at 4pm instead of waiting until 7pm like they're "supposed" to?"
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Actually, it's not breaking the rules. It is allowed. When I bought my Villains hard ticket, the CM gave specific details about being allowed to enter the park at 5pm and that the "party" started at 8pm.

 

[Toffeewoffy]

We attended a Princess & Pirates Party in April 2008. We were told we could arrive any time after 4.30pm but only enter through one particular gate. We actually arrived nearer 6pm as we'd spent the afternoon at Boggy Creek.

We were handed maps and told that after 7pm the treasure and other goodies would come out - but not before. And yes, it was very satisfying queuing up to go in one ride with some people without a wrist strap at 6.50pm and watching them come out at 7.05pm just ahead of us and then be turned away from The Laugher Floor as it was now gone 7pm.

It's not just a crowd thing: I was told that they sell 4,000 tickets to these parties. When I said that was a lot, she pointed out that no, they could get some 40,000 people through the gates over the duration of a day at MK, so you can see the attraction of a limited ticket event!

Over the duration of the evening there were lots of games, the handing out of pouches of gems and beads at different points, and some trading of different colour necklaces going on as well. We were never asked to show our bands, but as we were all wearing teeshirts they were very easy to see.

The main point is that any event that sells tickets and then GIVES AWAY things (such as the gems and necklaces or, in the case of the Hallowe'en party, candy) then why should someone who hasn't paid get anywhere near them? It's not just a case of buying merchandise they're not supposed to. The cost of the tickets covers the cost of the freebies.

 

[OfTheWind]

"Do most party ticket holders get a rush slightly breaking the rules by entering at 4pm instead of waiting until 7pm like they're "supposed" to?"
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Actually, it's not breaking the rules. It is allowed. When I bought my Villains hard ticket, the CM gave specific details about being allowed to enter the park at 5pm and that the "party" started at 8pm.

Thank you. The only way a partygoer would be breaking a rule would be if they were entering the park at 3:59 pm. Partiers can enter at 4 pm. Seems some people don't even know the rules, but maybe it's easier not to know when you want to break them anyway.

 

[fbb]

Thank you. The only way a partygoer would be breaking a rule would be if they were entering the park at 3:59 pm. Partiers can enter at 4 pm. Seems some people don't even know the rules, but maybe it's easier not to know when you want to break them anyway.

Is your contention that there is something wrong with entering a line at 659pm?

 

[ConnieB]

My last few times I noticed very few that were able to venture beyond the main hub but that did not prevent them from staying for the parade and fireworks and taking up space. The CMS did try to randomly check but in that big of a crowd it was difficult. My idea would be to tie the party tickets to the Magic band and at 7 it delivers a mild shock to those without tickets to urge them towards the exit increasing with intensity the longer they linger. Those that fail to heed the warning will become part of the fireworks display. Might be a bit drastic I suppose.

Ok, where is the like button?????

 

[LBIJim]

"Do most party ticket holders get a rush slightly breaking the rules by entering at 4pm instead of waiting until 7pm like they're "supposed" to?"
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Actually, it's not breaking the rules. It is allowed. When I bought my Villains hard ticket, the CM gave specific details about being allowed to enter the park at 5pm and that the "party" started at 8pm.

Yes, I know it's allowed and not breaking the rules by entering with a party ticket at 4pm. But it's also allowed and not breaking the rules for a day guest to enter a longish line at 659pm. A PP seemed to believe that the second scenario is somehow cheating and detrimental to the party ticket holders.
That day guests should all be OUT the gate by 7pm.

Conceivably there might still be 10,000 or more day guests in the park at 7pm. Some on rides or in line. Some eating. Others just strolling. It will take a while for them to clear the park. As long as those guests are not attempting to enter an attraction, store, or restaurant after 7pm, the party goers will just have to deal with their presence for a bit. I suppose that's why the ticket holders get an "extra" 3 hours. To make up for an hour's possible inconvenience.

 

[ampersand]

I don't have a problem with them going through the queue if they lined up at 6:59pm but I do think it'd be hilarious and deserved if they were sent straight out the exit without being allowed to ride and escorted to the front gate as soon as it turned 7pm.

Ticket holders aren't getting an extra three hours so much as Disney doesn't want the gate to be rushed at 7pm and for people who paid $70 a person (or whatever the price is this year) to miss an hour or two in line getting bags checked and all that. It's like arriving at the airport 2 hours early. The entrance line can only process so many people so fast.