So many stripped resales…

[Cyberc1978]

And then Resale Market says the new policy doesn’t impact their renters as DVCRM just is a matchmaker broker.

And yet they write in the contract between renter and themselves that if asked at checkin they should identify themselves as a guest of “DVC investment LLC”

Not saying this is the case for all rentals but I bet it is for many of them.

 

[Sandisw]

And yet they write in the contract between renter and themselves that if asked at checkin they should identify themselves as a guest of “DVC investment LLC”

Not saying this is the case for all rentals but I bet it is for many of them.

I believe that’s only for rentals with the LLC? If someone rents from a regular owner, is that clause still used?

 

[airjay75]

I believe that’s only for rentals with the LLC? If someone rents from a regular owner, is that clause still used?

I just rented using dvcrentalstore.com. I don’t recall whether it was the contract itself or the email they sent me, but they did tell me, if asked, I should identify myself as the guest of the owner (who was a named individual).

Edit: just checked. I don’t see it in the contract, but in one of the emails, they told me that, if asked at check-in, refer to yourself as a guest of “named person,” and not a renter. And, FWIW, these rentals were secured about a month before the bruhaha over the personal use box so I assume that’s how they have been doing things for some time.

 

[Cyberc1978]

I believe that’s only for rentals with the LLC? If someone rents from a regular owner, is that clause still used?

I just rented using dvcrentalstore.com. I don’t recall whether it was the contract itself or the email they sent me, but they did tell me, if asked, I should identify myself as the guest of the owner (who was a named individual).

Edit: just checked. I don’t see it in the contract, but in one of the emails, they told me that, if asked at check-in, refer to yourself as a guest of “named person,” and not a renter. And, FWIW, these rentals were secured about a month before the bruhaha over the personal use box so I assume that’s how they have been doing things for some time.

Thanks for the clarification.

Still puzzles me WHY they write it at all. One thing is to use an LLC to rent which is against the rules another is to openly tell the renter to say they are guests from an LLC.

 

[VGCgroupie]

Thanks for the clarification.

Still puzzles me WHY they write it at all. One thing is to use an LLC to rent which is against the rules another is to openly tell the renter to say they are guests from an LLC.

It seems they are telling them to say they are a guest of whoever/whatever owns the contract that was used to book reservation. Makes sense even if the LLC portion doesnt make sense due to it not being allowed.

 

[Sandisw]

Thanks for the clarification.

Still puzzles me WHY they write it at all. One thing is to use an LLC to rent which is against the rules another is to openly tell the renter to say they are guests from an LLC.

One potential reason could be…so that renters know that being guest of owners does not entitle to owner benefits

LLCs are different of course but DVC has never enforced the contract for them when it comes to guests.

I am sure all those brokers have their own set of lawyers who are well versed in FL timeshare laws and the contracts.

 

[airjay75]

Also, just looking at the contract itself. You are referred to as the “Guest” in the contract and there are a lot of provisions about abiding by the rules, no smoking, etc. I think it reinforces the idea that you are a guest and should be respectful of the property.

Another interesting overlay that had not occurred to me until now is that there is a pretty significant distinction in the law between being a short-term guests or visitors and a longer-term tenant. We all throw around the term “rent” when talking about renting your points, but the law generally considers short-term renters to have the same rights as hotel guests and not those that a tenant would have (e.g., you don’t have to go through eviction proceedings to kick out a hotel guest that hasn’t paid). In a lot of ways, referring to yourself as a guest of the DVC member is probably the more appropriate legal term to use than renter or tenant.

 

[Sandisw]

Also, just looking at the contract itself. You are referred to as the “Guest” in the contract and there are a lot of provisions about abiding by the rules, no smoking, etc. I think it reinforces the idea that you are a guest and should be respectful of the property.

Another interesting overlay that had not occurred to me until now is that there is a pretty significant distinction in the law between being a short-term guests or visitors and a longer-term tenant. We all throw around the term “rent” when talking about renting your points, but the law generally considers short-term renters to have the same rights as hotel guests and not those that a tenant would have (e.g., you don’t have to go through eviction proceedings to kick out a hotel guest that hasn’t paid). In a lot of ways, referring to yourself as a guest of the DVC member is probably the more appropriate legal term to use than renter or tenant.

The other thing to note is that the document/, including the multisite POS use guest a lot.

Matter of fact, other than using the word leasee when describing who can be on a reservation, the rest is all about owners vs guests.

So, I can see what it’s plausible to stick with that language to better “match” the offical wording. found.

The bigger change to the strip and flip model is the stopping of owners from transferring more than once per UY between contracts they own.

That will limit things quite a bit for those who relied on that exception.

 

[sndral]

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The bigger change to the strip and flip model is the stopping of owners from transferring more than once per UY between contracts they own.

That will limit things quite a bit for those who relied on that exception.

I’m not convinced that enforcing the once per use year transfer rule will be that limiting.
Presumably the contract to be sold would only have one transfer - all of the points out - but they can now also transfer banked & borrowed points - so the result would be very stripped contracts for sale.
If the business holds their contracts in multiple memberships w/ different names/LLCs, then they weren’t utilizing the more than one transfer if 2 memberships ‘owned’ by the same name exception anyway.
This is an example of unintended consequences IMO. Jane Member w/ 2 use years finds herself having to deal w/ a more complicated scenario v. Strip & Flip Co. which has 20 memberships already titled differently to skirt the max point limits & they’ll just keep on stripping & flipping but w/ the ability to remove more points (banked/borrowed) than before .

 

[jennypenny]

I think telling people to say 'I'm a guest of so-and-so' is just the broker's way of saying 'Don't mention us by name'.

 

[MMSM]

Just for fun go to DVCforless.com and sort by the lowest stars and look at how out of their minds some people are with their asking prices for huge point stripped contracts. People are either delusional or they're just hoping they hit a real one in a million sucker.

I am currently looking at buying and I avoid all stripped contracts. I guess as a seller why not but who is going to buy and not enjoy points for 2025 and 2026? It would be have to be a sweet low price.

 

[eticketplease]

I avoid all stripper contracts.

 

[Girlstar30]

This is exactly what the email says after you rent from dvc rental store:

"If asked during check-in, please refer to yourselves as a guest of **** ***, not a renter. Please note, Disney will have no record of any transaction regarding the DVC Rental Store. All of Disney's dealings have been done through ****.

Please be aware, check-in will be no different than any other regular resort stay. The reservation is in your name, so you will need to provide your name, a photo ID and a credit card to the Cast Member checking you in. Rarely, if ever, will the member's name come up."

I booked before all this hubbub lol. I think by telling you not to refer to yourself as a renter and that you should say you're a guest, is solidifying that being a renter could spell trouble with DVC, just my opinion or else why tell us that.

 

[Genie+]

If a guest of a rental truly is no different then why can’t these guests say they are on a rental?

 

[Girlstar30]

If a guest of a rental truly is no different then why can’t these guests say they are on a rental?

Exactly, I remember reading it and my shady radar going off

 

[CarolynFH]

Presumably the contract to be sold would only have one transfer - all of the points out - but they can now also transfer banked & borrowed points - so the result would be very stripped contracts for sale.

Yes, but the membership those points are transferred into would be “done” for that UY as well. The limit is one transfer in or out. So they can’t have a repository membership that receives transfer points from multiple contracts in a given UY anymore. Limits the buy - strip via transfer - sell process, I think.

 

[Sandisw]

This is exactly what the email says after you rent from dvc rental store:

"If asked during check-in, please refer to yourselves as a guest of **** ***, not a renter. Please note, Disney will have no record of any transaction regarding the DVC Rental Store. All of Disney's dealings have been done through ****.

Please be aware, check-in will be no different than any other regular resort stay. The reservation is in your name, so you will need to provide your name, a photo ID and a credit card to the Cast Member checking you in. Rarely, if ever, will the member's name come up."

I booked before all this hubbub lol. I think by telling you not to refer to yourself as a renter and that you should say you're a guest, is solidifying that being a renter could spell trouble with DVC, just my opinion or else why tell us that.

Thanks…the actual wording changes the context for what I posted above as a possible reason.

Definitely don’t understand then its purpose because renting is allowed.

 

[Tatebeck]

If a guest of a rental truly is no different then why can’t these guests say they are on a rental?

It can be different. In some places DVC refers to guests that have not paid for a reservation and renters who have paid separately and may have different rules/benefits for each.

"3. Making Reservations for Guest.

a. Club Members may use their Home Resort Vacation Points to reserve Vacation Homes that will be occupied by Guests.

b. When a Club Member uses Home Resort Vacation Points to reserve Vacation Homes on behalf of a Guest ,and the Club Member does not charge any rental or other fees to the Guest for the reservation, then the Guest may be eligible for all or some of the Club Member privileges and benefits that a Club Member would normally receive during the Club Member’s stay in the reserved Vacation Home. If the Guest is renting, it is the responsibility of the Member to notify Member Services when making the reservation. Member privileges and benefits cannot be extended to Guests who rent Vacation Homes from Club Members."

So it could be as simple as by not claiming you are renting, they are saying they are not submitting notifications to DVC that the reservation is a rental and they do not wish to. Whether to protect them from close scrutiny or just because it is an extra step they do not wish to have to deal with I do not know.

There aren't any benefits that they give to members/guests right now but not to renters that I can think of, so I don't think that would be the reason.

 

[Girlstar30]

Thanks…the actual wording changes the context for what I posted above as a possible reason.

Definitely don’t understand then its purpose because renting is allowed.

I think theyre being extra cautious because if Disney does decide to cancel the reservation based on someone being a renter, that will create some really unhappy customers and even more fear about renting.

On the other hand, because its allowed by law to rent, im not sure why they feel the need for this extra protection either. It actually makes the rental store seem like they are trying to be deceptive and not follow Disney's rules.

I guess they dont trust that Disney wont find some way around this law and be justified in cancelling so best not to bring up the "R" word

 

[Brianstl]

One potential reason could be…so that renters know that being guest of owners does not entitle to owner benefits

LLCs are different of course but DVC has never enforced the contract for them when it comes to guests.

I am sure all those brokers have their own set of lawyers who are well versed in FL timeshare laws and the contracts.

About that.......

"When a Club Member uses Home Resort Vacation Points to reserve Vacation Homes on behalf of a Guest, and the Club Member does not charge any rental or other fees to the Guest for the reservation, then the Guest may be eligible for all or some of the Club Member privileges and benefits that a Club Member would normally receive during the Club Member’s stay in the reserved Vacation Home. If the Guest is renting, it is the responsibility of the Member to notify Member Services when making the reservation. Member privileges and benefits cannot be extended to Guests who rent Vacation Homes from Club Members."