So have you heard anything weird since Tuesday night?

well I spoke with my Sister today - I asked her how she was doing - I thought someone was sick :rotfl: she sounded awful - I asked her what was wrong and she said well you know - Obama... I bit my toungue and thought - what did he come to your house and do something? She's concerned because she will be paying more in taxes.... We ALL will be paying more, no matter who won. We gave these companies 700 BILLION dollars - who do you think will be paying for that?

And then today an older lady I work with actually dropped the F bomb on me when she started talking about Obama!!! I've been trying to get this lady to drop the F Bomb for years :lmao: :lmao:

Not for nothing but when Bush was in office I did not like him, but I certainly respected him because he was our president! Geez people...
 
Two things...

Rob, we really need to all get together for dinner, after Scott talks to Shrek, you will get your gun back! :thumbsup2

Wally, has Boston gotten better since I left? When I lived there you couldn't get a black cab driver to take you to Southie or the East Boston! :eek:

I still cant understand some the downright ignorant things I have heard over the past two days though.

On the other hand, I did hear some rather hysterical, very un-PC jokes today! :lmao:
 
Oh one more thing to think about...

Shrek told me this tonight, and he is pretty good with these things..

He said the Mormon church was big time donating money to get these gay marriage things voted against us.

Just something to investigate and think about.....
 
Trust me. Yankees can do some mighty stupid things, too.

It's people in general, not just those who are born in a geographical region.

Two things...

Wally, has Boston gotten better since I left? When I lived there you couldn't get a black cab driver to take you to Southie or the East Boston! :eek:

Of course we have some prejudice in New England but I don't think it is
near the same as the south.

Mike - Boston for the most is pretty peaceful these days.
 

Let's see what have I heard lately...

I live in MA so you know how the state voted.....someone told me she is learning to use a gun and will be buying one soon.. I have to admit I entertained the thought myself and not sure why???.. I grew up with one in the house as my Dad was a Boston cop.

Mike, cabs drive to South Boston and Charlestown, no matter what color the driver is. East Boston is not that Italian anymore.....

If I started pointing fingers at all the people that might be responsible for what is going on in this country right now, I could be doing it for a long time. George Bush overspent, clearly, and the war, well I cannot go there. I am a Patriot for our country, I hate war, but I support our troops. Bring them home safely and keep us safe as well President Obama. I am no fan of Nancy Pelosi.. sorry, we criticized Sarah Palin for her wardrobe and how much was spent on said wardrobe, have you ever seen Nancy in the same suit or the same face??? Sorry, she works my last nerve and she is way too powerful...I hope Obama stands up to her and runs the country the way he promised. I want the same medical insurance the senators have and for the same price, I think he said that in one of his speeches, hope he can deliver..

So, I have heard everyone crying about their taxes, small business owners in my area thinking they are going to go under because of the taxes, and the complaining as Obama picks some of his cabinet. I am hearing like wait, I thought he was going to reach across and mend the fences and yet he is picking Clinton people. You asked what I have been hearing, this is what I am hearing. People are worried, watching their retirement funds tank, and wondering how will this man lead all the people fairly. I wish him the best, he is our President elect....I did not vote for him, but he is now my President and I will respect the office and respect him and hope that he takes this country back to where it should be.

I am passionate about my country........it is time that we came together behind this man and support him as he goes forward in his presidency whether we voted for him or not. My hope is that he is great and that he turns things around......
 
I have a family member who said he was moving to Canada if Obama gets elected.

My answer to him behind closed doors was:

Have a good trip.

Needless to say, we never talked politics.
 
Trust me. Yankees can do some mighty stupid things, too.

It's people in general, not just those who are born in a geographical region.

Yankees - Sorry Rob - that's quit a divisionist word. :guilty:
Let's not start that little fracas again. :hippie:
 
Oh one more thing to think about...

Shrek told me this tonight, and he is pretty good with these things..

He said the Mormon church was big time donating money to get these gay marriage things voted against us.

Just something to investigate and think about.....

Sadly -- that's true.

I think the internal church politics are pretty dang murky on this. (Please understand I have no inside information -- but I probably have been a little more up close and personal than many of the rest of us here --
over the years.)
Frankly, given my former church's history, you would think we would fully understand the whole "Render unto Caesar" concept. :sad2: As I understand, we got a pretty good dose of that, back in the pre-statehood days.

I suspect the lack of support for Romney during the Republican primary may have something to do with the church's vocal, hateful, and divisive position on Equal Marriage. I think there are at least two inter-related elements to this:
1.) Many members were genuinely shocked and surprised to see that so many of the American public still see the church as cultish and somehow un-American (the whole FLDS kerfluffle didn't help either). Well -- what could be a better way to ingratiate yourself with the "Cool Kids" (read: Main Stream Republicans) than to pile on the "Outsiders" (read: You Folks, Liberals, and anybody else who thinks for themselves.)
2,) the second facet to this mess, I think, was to demonstrate to the Republican party that the church wields significant power at the polls...
because...
...
sadly...
...
nothing galvanizes people who don't like to think too much like: God, Guns, and Gays.:sad1:

If there's a silver lining to this, it is probably that the strategy (if you want to call it that) may be back-firing on the church to some degree. There has been a small (but I think significant) internal dissent movement (unheard of in my former faith) on this issue. Additionally the publicity the church is currently receiving is terribly unflattering -- to say the least. It's rightly come off looking like an opaque, powerful (in the worst sense of the word) bully.

I imagine that this is a difficult time for many members of my former faith. I hope from the bottom of my heart that those members will seek meaningful and deep counsel in prayer; and reflect on the meaning of free agency.

(off my soapbox now)
 
I like money just as the next person, but I personally believe taxes need to go up! You cannot spend like our country has without increasing our income stream to the government coffers.
 
Wow. I thought I worked with the most insane people on the planet. Clearly they have relatives. A couple of my co-workers (one of which is the store owner and my boss) were literally afraid (or claimed to be) of "what would happen" if Obama was elected. They said there were "threats" :confused3 that no matter WHO won the election there would be riots. The store owner told me that little old ladies were telling him they would be barricading their doors and holding guns clenched in their hands the day after the election.

I keep waiting for the world to end -- i mean, it's been several days now that we've had a black president-elect. I'm hiding in the bathroom with my gun. :rotfl2:

I never hear anything positive about Obama at MY workplace, believe me. Yesterday he was blamed for the stock market going down. :confused:
 
Oh my gosh, WallyB. I get called a Yankee all the time. Not so lovingly either, I might add.

"Whaddaya' expect? She's a Yankee." "Why don't you just go back to Massachusetts." (Uh, maybe because I'm from Maine :teeth: ). "Yankees. You know how they are."

Divisive. Yep. But it happens every day. There are regional differences in behavior, that is well established. If you care to, do a lit research on it. You'll find some interesting studies. :D

The deep south does still seem to have issues with regard to race, and clearly "sexuality." (Although I really hate that term). In the professional workplace, I've had people use "that" limp wrist gesture in a derogatory manner. I've taken my adult students to task on using it in my classroom. I use the word lesbian and the "d" word that gets asterisked out here, when talking about "our" community. I want to shake awake some level of awareness.

For me, I've found it more effective up to this point to let people get to know me then let them know, if you follow. That's changed now. I've moved to "this is me" like it? Fine. No? Your loss. I can't wait another 100 years to marry my partner. Thank G-d Dell didn't see this day. :(
 
Need to clarify a point. I'm not certain we would formally marry if it were legal. It's the fact that we don't have that option that we can't wait any longer for. Having the right to marry is more important to me than actually marrying. Of course, the marrying bit does come with all those lovely benefits...legal protections, retirement options and the like...

Hope that makes sense.
 
Well first I am glad to hear things are better in Boston. I was shocked when I first moved there to find out that a black cab driver wouldn't take me to a certain address, because it was in a certain neighborhood, and "Blacks are not allowed there!" :eek:

Secondly, I am surprised, well I guess I shouldn't be, at the Morman church's involvment in this. This really upsets me. I am a strong believer in seperation of church and state, and I hope the HRC or someone looks into this.
 
I hope the HRC or someone looks into this.

The last newsleter they sent out had a big breakdown of who the major supporters were. I looked for it last night and I hate to say I may have already recycled it! Does any one have it?

I know the Knights of Columbus were listed.
 
Need to clarify a point. I'm not certain we would formally marry if it were legal. It's the fact that we don't have that option that we can't wait any longer for. Having the right to marry is more important to me than actually marrying. Of course, the marrying bit does come with all those lovely benefits...legal protections, retirement options and the like...

Hope that makes sense.

OK, now is my turn following you. I understand what you mean. I actually had never had any intention of getting married UNTIL it became necesary for us if we wanted to get legal resident status in one of our countries. If my partner was American I wouldn't be getting married at all.
 
The last newsleter they sent out had a big breakdown of who the major supporters were. I looked for it last night and I hate to say I may have already recycled it! Does any one have it?

I know the Knights of Columbus were listed.

From Wiki:
PROPONENTS
"The ProtectMarriage.com[50] organization sponsored the initiative that placed Proposition 8 on the ballot and continues to support the measure.

Republican presidential nominee and U.S. Senator John McCain released a statement of support for the proposed constitutional amendment.[51] Former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich released a video in support. Both characterized the court ruling as being against the will of the people.[52] Other notable supporters include Republican State Senator Tom McClintock and 20 other Republican State Senators and Assemblymembers.[53]

Religious organizations that supported Proposition 8 include the Roman Catholic Church[54], Knights of Columbus[55], Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations of America[56], The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormons)[57][58][59], a group of Evangelical Christians led by Jim Garlow and Miles McPherson[60], American Family Association, Focus on the Family[61]and the National Organization for Marriage.[62] Rick Warren, pastor of Saddleback Church, California's largest, also endorsed the measure.[63][64] The Bishops of the California Catholic Conference released a statement supporting the proposition.[65] The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormons) publicly supported the proposition and encouraged their membership to support it, by asking its members to donate money and volunteer time. The First Presidency of the church announced its support for Proposition 8 in a letter read in every congregation.[66][67] Latter-day Saints provided a significant source for financial donations in support of the proposition, both inside and outside the State of California.[68] About 45% of out-of-state contributions to ProtectMarriage.com came from Utah, over three times more than any other state.[69]

The Grossmont Union High School District in San Diego County, California publicly voted on a resolution endorsing Proposition 8. The Governing Board voted 4-0 to endorse the amendment of the California State Constitution.[70]

The Asian Heritage Coalition held a rally in support of Proposition 8 in downtown San Diego on October 19, 2008."

OPPONENTS:
"Equality for All was the lead organization opposed to Proposition 8.[72] They also ran the NoOnProp8.com campaign.[73] The nonpartisan League of Women Voters of California opposes Proposition 8 because "no person or group should suffer legal, economic or administrative discrimination."[74]

Republican California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger stated that although he opposed and twice vetoed legislative bills that would recognize same sex marriage in California, he respects and will uphold the court's ruling and opposes the initiative and other attempts to amend the state's constitution.[75][76] While a Democratic presidential nominee and U.S. Senator, Barack Obama stated that he personally considers marriage to be between a man and woman,[77] and supports civil unions that confer comparable rights rather than gay marriage,[78] he stated that he opposed the proposition and other attempts to amend the federal and state constitutions.[79][80] Democratic vice-presidential candidate Joseph Biden opposed the proposition.[81] The U.S. House Speaker, California Representative (8th District), Nancy Pelosi[82] along with twenty other members of the 53 member California congressional delegation and both of California's U.S. senators, Dianne Feinstein and Barbara Boxer, voiced their opposition to Proposition 8,[83] as did the Lieutenant Governor, State Controller, 42 of 80 members of the state assembly, 20 of the 40 state senators and the mayors of San Francisco, Los Angeles, and San Diego: Gavin Newsom, Antonio Villaraigosa, and Jerry Sanders respectively.[84][85][86][87]
San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom speaks at an Anti-Proposition 8 Rally at Sproul Plaza.

All ten of the state's largest newspapers editorialized against Proposition 8: the Los Angeles Times,[88] the San Francisco Chronicle,[89] the San Diego Union-Tribune,[90] The Orange County Register,[91] The Sacramento Bee,[92] the San Jose Mercury News,[93] the Contra Costa Times,[94] The Press-Enterprise (Riverside-San Bernardino),[95] The Fresno Bee,[96] and the Daily News (Los Angeles).[97] Other papers to have editorialized in opposition include The New York Times,[98] La Opinión (Los Angeles), [99] and The Bakersfield Californian.[100]

A coalition of Silicon Valley executives urged a 'No' vote on Proposition 8.[101] Google officially opposed Proposition 8 "as an issue of equality."[102] Apple Inc. also opposed Proposition 8 as a "fundamental" civil rights issue, and donated $100,000 to the No on 8 campaign.[103][104] Biotech leaders warned of potential damage to the state's $73 billion industry, citing Massachusetts as a top competitor for employees.[105]

All six Episcopal diocesan bishops in California jointly issued a statement opposing Proposition 8 on September 10, 2008.[106] Southern California's largest collection of rabbis, the Board of Rabbis of Southern California, voted to oppose Proposition 8.[107] Other Jewish groups who opposed Proposition 8 include Jewish Mosaic,[108] the American Jewish Committee, Progressive Jewish Alliance, National Council of Jewish Women, and the Anti-Defamation League.[56][109]

The Los Angeles Unified School District Board of Education voted unanimously for a resolution to oppose Proposition 8.[110] The California Teachers Association donated one million dollars to fight Proposition 8.[111] Chancellor Robert Birgeneau of UC Berkeley urged a vote against the measure, citing the "likely" threat to California's academic competitiveness if Proposition 8 is passed.[112]

In general the entertainment industry was opposed to Proposition 8.[113]"
 
UGH!

I get so angry about this..

McCain, on wife #2, Gingrich on wife #3 telling me I cant get married because it will tip the apple cart over!!!:sad2:
 
Well first I am glad to hear things are better in Boston. I was shocked when I first moved there to find out that a black cab driver wouldn't take me to a certain address, because it was in a certain neighborhood, and "Blacks are not allowed there!" :eek:

Secondly, I am surprised, well I guess I shouldn't be, at the Morman church's involvment in this. This really upsets me. I am a strong believer in seperation of church and state, and I hope the HRC or someone looks into this.

Mike I think you'll find back in the day-
some black cab drive would not go to certain area because
it was dangerous for them being black. - "Southie" was one area.

So back when you lived here that's probably why they would not take your house drawn buggy there to see Jefferson speak :rotfl:
 
So back when you lived here that's probably why they would not take your house drawn buggy there to see Jefferson speak :rotfl:

As I recall....you used to look great in that powdered wig!
 












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