So few kids

[KayKayJS]

I also wanted to add that I love genie+ with a toddler because she cannot do long lines.

 

[Illinois76]

I get it, its a socioeconomic conversation.

I think people are just saying its usually much easier for someone to say "oh, $15 isnt bad" when you're buying it for one person, vs "oh crap, that's another $60" for families of 4.

I’ve never really gotten a good response… what is you legitimate wish here?

For Disney to charge less for their stuff?

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

The thing is, strollers are not allowed in queues. And she’s never in a ride like haunted mansion.. we’re strictly in fantasyland, etc. for rides … always age appropriate stuff. What I’m talking about is maybe she stops and awes at something in the little mermaid queue for 5/6 seconds and people behind us are freaking out. I always tell them to go around… but it’s not like she’s in line for big thunder or soarin. I think toddlers should have a little bit of wiggle room in the areas that are primarily for them. Kids have a right to enjoy disney world just as much as adults do.

Obviously you can’t let your kids just run wild… I would never allow that. I spend the entire time making sure she’s right next to me, trying to avoid others.. etc and I still experience a lot of disdain from other guests simply for my daughter taking in the experience and not speed walking to the next attraction.

If you are totally down with people go around you I totally wouldn't mind at all Truth is many parents actually mind and act like no one can go around them and at that point it's kinda an issue. You'd be the pixie dust for someone's day IMO if you're the kind that just lets people bypass you, so if you're getting flack from people in that situation that's on them although I would still IMO recommend not letting her walk around for the reasons I first listed but at least you're aware of your surroundings. I quoted HM as an example, kids do ride that (although some young ones freak out understandably so).

Strollers aren't allowed for safety too and well the queues were never built for those in mind.

 

[ChipnDale79]

I’ve never really gotten a good response… what is you legitimate wish here?

For Disney to charge less for their stuff?

I would be happy if they wouldn’t nickle and dime you, one of the reasons we fell in love with Disney is because it was different than everywhere else, now they aren’t.

i get it, it’s a business and I don’t have to go, we are going a lot less than we used to now.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

But, in this case, it’s relevant b/c the problem still exists. So it doesn’t matter how long ago it was or how long Walt has been dead. There were/are not many places designed for families then & now. As a PARENT, Walt recognized this & wanted a place he could spend time with his CHILDREN. Doesn’t mean adults can’t go. But, it also doesn’t mean some of us can’t be disappointed that it’s turning into yet another place that’s for mostly adults. Ppl with families might just move on as you suggest. Not sure that’s a good long term plan for wdw.

You seem like you're ranting and raving about other people going to Disney I mean they can and should be allowed to feel like they can go.

Did you visit Disney when you didn't have a child? Did you tell yourself you're not allowed to go to Disney without a child? When your child is 18 will you stop going to Disney? These are silly rhetorical questions, it's just your argument hinges on "Disney is meant for kids to go so if you don't have one can you stop going so Disney stops catering towards a variety of people? you're ruining it for those with young kids" It's like a poster discussing kid angst well you're exhibiting angst against those at Disney without kids. Plus the posters who have talked about having kids but choosing not to go with them well you're slighting them too, they are after all going to Disney without kids.

The reason I commented about Walt is because the parks evolve. The parks aren't what they are like when they opened, they weren't like what they were in the '80s, in the '90s they weren't like they were in the '80s, in the '00s they weren't what they were like in the '90s and so on. At some point you (general you) gotta let it go..sorry pun really not intended. I'm not saying you have to be actually happy about the evolution because there are plenty of points to be had about changes that one doesn't like but just don't view it through the lens of a well-respected but long-since passed away man who never was alive when WDW opened. Walt passed away almost 5 years before WDW opened.

 

[FutureWorldShowcase]

I’ve never really gotten a good response… what is you legitimate wish here?

For Disney to charge less for their stuff?

You weren't talking to me, but I have a response. Of course, being charged less would be nice, however, that's not my main complaint. My issue is that, while they have now made it more expensive for families to go, the product we are paying for works less well for a lot of folks with young kids. I would have grumbled a bit, but ultimately would have been okay just paying $15pp/pd for FP+ in it's previous form. Disney gets their extra money and I get some guaranteed value from my extra money spent. I haven't used it yet, so will withhold final judgment, but I'm not excited or optimistic for how this will work for our family. With kids, we tend to hit the parks early and either take a break in the middle of the day and come back or just leave for the day in the mid-afternoon and spend the evening at the resort. We planned out FP+ times around this touring style. Now it seems to actually get value out of G+, you really need to be in the parks all day, which is less likely to be a workable option for folks with littles in tow.

Also, the lack of re-rides can be more of an issue for folks with young kids, who may want to reside Dumbo or Buzz over and over again but don't have the patience to wait in line over and over. Taking away the ability to repeat rides also room away value for us.

TL;DR: pay more + get less = no bueno

 

[FCDub]

Lots of kids: "WOW, WHY AREN'T THESE KIDS IN SCHOOL?"

Not a lot of kids: "WOW DISNEY IS ABANDONING THEIR COMPANY VALUES. WALT WOULD BE SO SAD."

 

[FCDub]

But, in this case, it’s relevant b/c the problem still exists. So it doesn’t matter how long ago it was or how long Walt has been dead. There were/are not many places designed for families then & now. As a PARENT, Walt recognized this & wanted a place he could spend time with his CHILDREN. Doesn’t mean adults can’t go. But, it also doesn’t mean some of us can’t be disappointed that it’s turning into yet another place that’s for mostly adults. Ppl with families might just move on as you suggest. Not sure that’s a good long term plan for wdw.

Pulling out the ghost-of-Walt-Disney card is so exhausting at this point. No one knows what he would've thought about stuff today. People need to stop pretending they do.

 

[LSUmiss]

Pulling out the ghost-of-Walt-Disney card is so exhausting at this point. No one knows what he would've thought about stuff today. People need to stop pretending they do.

I don’t know or care what Walt would think. That’s not my point. Doesn’t take away from the irony that a place designed for families is now very cumbersome for families to navigate. Simple as that.

 

[LSUmiss]

Lots of kids: "WOW, WHY AREN'T THESE KIDS IN SCHOOL?"

Not a lot of kids: "WOW DISNEY IS ABANDONING THEIR COMPANY VALUES. WALT WOULD BE SO SAD."

Most ppl were referring to pre-school aged kids/toddlers.

 

[LSUmiss]

It’s actually really hard to go to the parks with little ones now.

my 2 year old wants to walk on her own but can’t because adults run her over. People are annoyed she’s not moving fast enough in queues. I never realize how much people hate children until I had one of my own.

This!

 

[LSUmiss]

The thing is, strollers are not allowed in queues. And she’s never in a ride like haunted mansion.. we’re strictly in fantasyland, etc. for rides … always age appropriate stuff. What I’m talking about is maybe she stops and awes at something in the little mermaid queue for 5/6 seconds and people behind us are freaking out. I always tell them to go around… but it’s not like she’s in line for big thunder or soarin. I think toddlers should have a little bit of wiggle room in the areas that are primarily for them. Kids have a right to enjoy disney world just as much as adults do.

Obviously you can’t let your kids just run wild… I would never allow that. I spend the entire time making sure she’s right next to me, trying to avoid others.. etc and I still experience a lot of disdain from other guests simply for my daughter taking in the experience and not speed walking to the next attraction.

This. Rides are technically for everyone, but it’s particularly annoying when stuff like this happens in queues like Dumbo.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

I don’t know or care what Walt would think. That’s not my point.

Can you make up your mind then what your point is? Because that's not what you said before.

As a PARENT, Walt recognized this & wanted a place he could spend time with his CHILDREN.

it literally was designed for families b/c Walt couldn’t find places to spend time with his family of young children.

 

[LSUmiss]

Can you make up your mind then what your point is? Because that's not what you said before.

What Walt would think NOW. I don’t care about that. I just think it’s unfortunate that a place designed for young children is now a PITA to bring young children to. Take Walt out of it even. DLR is place a DAD designed to bring his young CHILDREN to b/c there weren’t any places. The specific person who designed it doesn’t matter to me.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

You weren't talking to me, but I have a response. Of course, being charged less would be nice, however, that's not my main complaint. My issue is that, while they have now made it more expensive for families to go, the product we are paying for works less well for a lot of folks with young kids. I would have grumbled a bit, but ultimately would have been okay just paying $15pp/pd for FP+ in it's previous form. Disney gets their extra money and I get some guaranteed value from my extra money spent. I haven't used it yet, so will withhold final judgment, but I'm not excited or optimistic for how this will work for our family. With kids, we tend to hit the parks early and either take a break in the middle of the day and come back or just leave for the day in the mid-afternoon and spend the evening at the resort. We planned out FP+ times around this touring style. Now it seems to actually get value out of G+, you really need to be in the parks all day, which is less likely to be a workable option for folks with littles in tow.

Also, the lack of re-rides can be more of an issue for folks with young kids, who may want to reside Dumbo or Buzz over and over again but don't have the patience to wait in line over and over. Taking away the ability to repeat rides also room away value for us.

TL;DR: pay more + get less = no bueno

I saw a lot of comments from people with kids who never entered the parks until 11am-noon because it was too difficult to corral everyone up. Just different touring styles.

I do think the 7am stuff is silly but then again so was pre-booking at 7am 60 days or 30 days. Although Disney being Disney decided booking `1 day at a time for everyone was the way to go but I believe that that's how it worked for offsite guests with FP+, 30 days in advance 1 day at a time every day at 7am IIRC (or was it length of ticket?? can't remember). Their move to do this day of seems to be to appease all the "ugh Disney has too much pre-planning" (fair point IMO given that was a huge complaint for a long time).

With FP+ rerides with it were quite controversial with some posters saying it was easy others saying they couldn't. And because you couldn't select the same ride twice in your first 3 your re-ride was always dependent on what was available day of. I do think the stark difference is at least with that it was the luck of the draw, with LL (through Genie+ or ILL/IAS those rides that are included in that) cannot be booked period more than once as a restriction. I agree that's a huge shift and while practically speaking makes sense is a big turn off IMO. The inability to reride is an issue for all. However, consider from the other point of view, while you and your traveling party may not get to reride Dumbo to your heart's content it can make it possible for some other traveling party to experience Dumbo in the LL that may not have ever done so before under FP or FP+ and while that would/will irk me that rerides aren't possible in the spirit of bringing magic to others in a park that is about magic that has to stand for something I think

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

What Walt would think NOW. I don’t care about that. I just think it’s unfortunate that a place designed for young children is now a PITA to bring young children to. Take Walt out of it even. DLR is place a DAD designed to bring his young CHILDREN to b/c there weren’t any places. The specific person who designed it doesn’t matter to me.

I'm sorry you're all over the place with your complaints . You were talking about WDW before. If you don't care about what Walt would think now how do you even know he would have the same viewpoint as when DLR was conceptualized and how WDW came to open as it did over 50 years ago? The PP was just pointing out none of us know how he would feel about the present parks or even what he would have felt when WDW opened.

If Walt was peachy keen about it all then you've railed Disney for no reason. That's why bringing up Walt makes the conversation a non-starter. He's been gone for so long, he was not around when WDW opened. The natural evolution of a business model could have easily led to a shift in how things were at the parks (largely these days if you've got money it makes a lot of things easier) with him at the helm. If that makes you uncomfortable that Walt might have embraced the current state of things (that has you so upset that you feel young kids are being sidestepped in favor of others) you might want to rethink your argument.

 

[figmentpopcorn]

Right and there are TONS of places adults can go. Not as many places for families.

Disney parks are not the only kid-friendly vacation spots. There are hundreds and hundreds of lovely places to vacation as a family in this country. Maybe you should check them out.

 

[LSUmiss]

I'm sorry you're all over the place with your complaints . You were talking about WDW before. If you don't care about what Walt would think now how do you even know he would have the same viewpoint as when DLR was conceptualized and how WDW came to open as it did over 50 years ago? The PP was just pointing out none of us know how he would feel about the present parks or even what he would have felt when WDW opened.

If Walt was peachy keen about it all then you've railed Disney for no reason. That's why bringing up Walt makes the conversation a non-starter. He's been gone for so long, he was not around when WDW opened. The natural evolution of a business model could have easily led to a shift in how things were at the parks (largely these days if you've got money it makes a lot of things easier) with him at the helm. If that makes you uncomfortable that Walt might have embraced the current state of things (that has you so upset that you feel young kids are being sidestepped in favor of others) you might want to rethink your argument.

Sorry but I don’t think it’s a leap to think wdw was designed with the same concept in mind since it was still designed by the same person & was very similar to the original dlr. I feel like you’re committed to analyzing my comments like we are in some kinda Senate hearing. My complaint is a place designed by a father as a place to go with his kids now often feels too cumbersome for ppl with young kids to go to. Period. I’m out as I have nothing else to add to the discussion.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Sorry but I don’t think it’s a leap to think wdw was designed with the same concept in mind since it was still designed by the same person & was very similar to the original dlr. I feel like you’re committed to analyzing my comments like we are in some kinda Senate hearing. My complaint is a place designed by a father as a place to go with his kids now often feels too cumbersome for ppl with young kids to go to. Period. I’m out as I have nothing else to add to the discussion.

Sorry you're still all over the place from what your comments have been throughout the thread and past grievances you've aired. Enjoy your evening

 

[LSUmiss]

Disney parks are not the only kid-friendly vacation spots. There are hundreds and hundreds of lovely places to vacation as a family in this country. Maybe you should check them out.

sigh. We do & have. Not the point. Disney should still be kid-friendly also, but more & more, it’s not.