Smoking Ban

[stephk1981]

Body language. It's very easy to spot, especially when the wind is blowing in the opposite direction and their fake little "uh uh" cough coincides exactly with the point in time when they glanced over and visually noticed they were in the vicinity of a designated smoking area. I'm an ex-smoker by the way (haven't smoked in about 4 years), but it's not hard for even a nonsmoker to understand that smokers are treated badly and looked down upon whether they're following the rules or not. Now, this new policy will increase the occurrence of people smoking in random areas by about 1000%.

I don't think asamany people ' fake' cough as you think. I really hope you are wrong about people breaking the rules though....smokers and nonsmoker's alike deserve to enjoy the parks. It's very hard to enjoy a park when my asthmatic child can't breath and needs to be rushed to the hospital because of someone's laziness that they won't go to a designated area. That is just not right. Do I get to send them my doctor's bills?

 

[Kaleidodad]

That’s fine stand by it, that doesn’t make it any more or less true. Your generalizing a group of people because a few of them didn’t do the right thing. I agree that’s wrong but it’s also wrong to make statements about a group of people when you have limited exposure to them. Are there people that break the rules sadly, yes, but there are people who have a legal habit that do follow the rules. I smoked for 25 years and never smoked in unauthorized areas, I’ve vaped for 6 and have never vaped outside of smoking sections. And if this is a issue pull the person on the side and say hey, that’s not cool. I would and I vape.

Hey, you're here on the DIS boards, I'm very sure you are a swell guy or gal and follow the rules. As do many others of course.

But... these rules changes are happening for reasons. And one of the main reasons I think vaping is included with these trending no-smoking rules is that it's so obvious, because of how often vapers are seen to be "smoking" in non-designated places. We don't nearly as often see smokers brazenly hitting their cigarettes and blowing out huge clouds in places where it's obviously not allowed - but we see vapers do it all the time, in all those places I mentioned. Smoking is getting banned because we smell it, vaping because we see it.

 

[Remy is Up]

While I have absolutely no issue with the change and for someone who vapes or smokes, Im capable of enjoying a park and indulging in whatever I choose outside the parks. It makes no difference to me. However, the chatter on here paints with a lot of broad brushes by some and comes off as lifestyles of the Sanctimonious and Righteous.

 

[Clockwork]

Hey, you're here on the DIS boards, I'm very sure you are a swell guy or gal and follow the rules. As do many others of course.

But... these rules changes are happening for reasons. And one of the main reasons I think vaping is included with these trending no-smoking rules is that it's so obvious, because of how often vapers are seen to be "smoking" in non-designated places. We don't nearly as often see smokers brazenly hitting their cigarettes and blowing out huge clouds in places where it's obviously not allowed - but we see vapers do it all the time, in all those places I mentioned. Smoking are getting banned because we smell it, vaping because we see it.

You don’t have to be condescending, the reason why they are doing it because they literally can’t ban one without the other. I like civilized conversation, not belittling ones. That’s your experience and I can’t change that, but I also see you aren’t willing to try to see the other side of the conversation, so I will leave it here.

 

[Clockwork]

While I have absolutely no issue with the change and for someone who vapes or smokes, Im capable of enjoying a park and indulging in whatever I choose outside the parks. It makes no difference to me. However, the chatter on here paints with a lot of broad brushes by some and comes off as lifestyles of the Sanctimonious and Righteous.

Thank you well said.

 

[Magical2017]

Love this new rule. As others have said, it will be tough to enforce.

 

[anthony2k7]

Is this just wdw? Or worldwide?

Paris definitely needs the ban.

 

[Clockwork]

Is this just wdw? Or worldwide?

Paris definitely needs the ban.

Just in the U.S.

 

[Moliphino]

Minus nicotine it’s the exact same thing as in a vape pen.

That's kind of a big difference there.

 

[Clockwork]

That's kind of a big difference there.

I agree, totally right on that one. That’s why I agree with the ban just not the implementation of it.

 

[Kaleidodad]

You don’t have to be condescending, the reason why they are doing it because they literally can’t ban one without the other. I like civilized conversation, not belittling ones. That’s your experience and I can’t change that, but I also see you aren’t willing to try to see the other side of the conversation, so I will leave it here.

Wow, sorry to have offended, but I think you are being too defensive about my broad comments and really don't have to take it so personally. You yourself even commented that "idiots still continue to vape in undesignated areas" in another thread.

 

[jkh36619]

Put me in the indifferent camp. I've never seen a problem with designated smoking areas. I've gotten the occasional smell of smoke when I've been near an area and no it doesn't smell good. But truth be told we're probably ingesting far more carcinogens with Disney's food.. To each their own I suppose. Some people will complain about second hand smoke then apply weed killers and fertilizers to their lawn and driveways with no respirator or protective clothing.

 

[Clockwork]

Wow, sorry to have offended, but I think you are being too defensive about my broad comments and really don't have to take it so personally. You yourself even commented that "idiots still continue to vape in undesignated areas" in another thread.

I’m not being defensive at all, that’s the problem broad comments, which they weren’t. And after I say I’m leaving it you still have to have the last word. Not being defensive I just really feel your direct comments toward me were belittling and condescending. Please don’t tell me what I should take personally, i wouldn’t do that to you. But online etiquette doesn’t seem to be your strong suit.

 

[Toolulu22]

May 1st- so no big strollers, no smoking. I wonder if there are other changes coming??

I’m glad they are making the parks a slightly more enjoyable experience (smokers will be outside the park, weren’t there actually some lawsuits with people who were run over by some things people bring into Disney? etc.) —maybe trying to reduce complaints perhaps?

I’m curious if there are MORE restrictions coming around the corner... no outside food/drinks? no large bags/or only see through bags.

Any thoughts?

 

[cisco911]

I have a feeling it's going to be a learning curve for some who do not know it will be banned and will only increase the chance of people finding other areas to smoke out of the eye of CMs. If people are desperate enough it will happen.

While a lot of times people just seem inconsiderate, I have a mother who unfortunately feels the need to smoke, is unable to move very well, and is in a lot of pain and while always a bids by the rules got desperate enough at AK to go into a secluded area with no one around, as we asked several CMs and not one of them knew of an area to smoke other than outside the parks. If you frequently go, or have an AP you know how big AK is. However, my mother was discovered eventually and while yes, she broke the rules, got so much rudeness from this CM and judgement I was stunned.

I may not be able to get any sympathy points to some people, but this is someone who doesn't even smoke in her own house out of courtesy to me. However, that is a few steps, where depending on where you're in a park and which park, it could be a mile, or two.

To most, this isn't a big deal, or a burden, but to some, who unfortunately who feels as if they need these things, as well as other complications, it creates great conflict and I didn't realize that until I took my mother to a couple of Disney parks.

Also, if Disney wanted to change their policy, they should at least be honest about it. I've been the areas and they're definitely not in the way and wouldn't increase congestion. I'm sure if Disney sold cigs on top of the alcohol they now sell this wouldn't have happened. *whistles*

I sympathize for the fact that your mother has health issues. However, that doesn't mean she has the right to break the rules. The thing that people need to realize is that you can't have everything in life. That is not how it works. If she isn't mobile enough to walk around a park and get somewhere to have her much need smoke (i don't judge the need as I know it is an addiction and very hard to break an addiction), then she needs to pick either enjoying the park or enjoying the smoke. You can't suck and blow(pun intended).

Also, you do realize that AK out of all the parks is the LAST place they would be okay with smoking in an area not designated for it. You are basically in a zoo filled with vegetation and trees. So you go hide in a corner to have your smoke and then put it out in the ground, except you didn't fully put it out and it catches on something and starts a fire. So now we have a fire and lose a couple of animals in the process (I know I am being over the top) because your mother needs to have her smokes.

 

[Kaleidodad]

I’m not being defensive at all, that’s the problem broad comments, which they weren’t. And after I say I’m leaving it you still have to have the last word. Not being defensive I just really feel your direct comments toward me were belittling and condescending. Please don’t tell me what I should take personally, i wouldn’t do that to you. But online etiquette doesn’t seem to be your strong suit.

My last word was a direct link to your own words, saying the same thing I have been saying. The bad apples ruined the bunch for vaping at Disney.

 

[Clockwork]

My last word was a direct link to your own words, saying the same thing I have been saying. The bad apples ruined the bunch for vaping at Disney.

No one ruined anything if smoking gets banned vaping does too. It is way to hard to tell the difference between what’s smoke and what’s vapor at a distance. How bout this you leave me alone, I’ll leave you alone. I’m extending a olive branch please take it.

 

[Spaceguy55]

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[ShayBells]

May 1st- so no big strollers, no smoking. I wonder if there are other changes coming??

I’m glad they are making the parks a slightly more enjoyable experience (smokers will be outside the park, weren’t there actually some lawsuits with people who were run over by some things people bring into Disney? etc.) —maybe trying to reduce complaints perhaps?

I’m curious if there are MORE restrictions coming around the corner... no outside food/drinks? no large bags/or only see through bags.

Any thoughts?

I’m a smoker and I’ll give up smoking before I give up my bag. And I hate those clear bags cause the plastic drives me nuts. I really hope this isn’t a future ban. That one I would be upset about. The smoking I get and will deal with.

 

[Farro]

I’m a smoker and I’ll give up smoking before I give up my bag. And I hate those clear bags cause the plastic drives me nuts. I really hope this isn’t a future ban. That one I would be upset about. The smoking I get and will deal with.

Don't touch my bags. Don't touch.

You've been warned.