SMASH thread!

[RadioNate]

In the Playbill article about Smash, they mentiohed that it was written with an eye towards staging it on Broadway, and not for a week.



Um - maybe not suicide, but ever see Sweeney Todd - The Demon Barber of Fleet Street? And wasn't there a suicide in Rent?

Oh, and Javert commits suicide in Les Miserables.

And I just discovered that there is a workshop called The Suicide - A Musical Comedy.
http://www.playbill.com/news/articl...ted-by-Tony-Winner-John-Rando-Presented-Feb-9

There are a lot of dark musicals out there.

Forget the suicide in Les Miz - Practically 3/4 of the cast is dead in the end. It kicks off with Fantine's death.

I'm not sure what to make of Marilyn's death scene is Smash. For me it was like people didn't know the show was over. In ended quietly, faded out and that was it. It is almost like they needed a funeral scene. An epilogue.

 

[kimmar067]

I'm not sure what to make of Marilyn's death scene is Smash. For me it was like people didn't know the show was over. In ended quietly, faded out and that was it. It is almost like they needed a funeral scene. An epilogue.

...it was the 'sudden-ness' of it all...

 

[JaneBanks]

I think that is the point. The happy, flashy and bright feeling to BAM - the "sudden-ness", the quietly fade to black and that's it.

That was Marilyn.

 

[cabanafrau]

I think that is the point. The happy, flashy and bright feeling to BAM - the "sudden-ness", the quietly fade to black and that's it.

That was Marilyn.

I thought so, too, very Candle in the Wind. If I were in the audience, however, I do kind of think I'd like to be sitting there when the lights come up in the afterglow of a really big, over the top musical number still ringing in the air.

When the ensemble was sitting and discussing the fact that Rebecca had told Karen somebody deliberately put the peanuts in the smoothie, the next image was the camera moving in on Ellis, probably designed to make you think he did it. If he did, it was his own scheme IMO.

Personally I think Rebecca did it to herself to put a good face on pulling out of a project where she was over her head.

 

[Imzadi]

I think that is the point. The happy, flashy and bright feeling to BAM - the "sudden-ness", the quietly fade to black and that's it.

That was Marilyn.

But, she didn't quietly fade to black. She became an even bigger legend. Then the whole Kennedy conspiracy thing.

They could have ended the show with a number with the press circling around her dead body. And her rising from the ashes, so to speak to become more loved and immortalized than ever before. She didn't get a chance to grow old & fade away to quiet nothingness.

 

[RadioNate]

But, she didn't quietly fade to black. She became an even bigger legend. Then the whole Kennedy conspiracy thing.

They could have ended the show with a number with the press circling around her dead body. And her rising from the ashes, so to speak to become more loved and immortalized than ever before. She didn't get a chance to grow old & fade away to quiet nothingness.

That is actually a great idea for the ending. The reports, the public...all making her larger than life. Who knows what her legacy would have been if she had lived past 36.

The media frenzy at her death with a cast reprise of Let Me Be Your Star.

I wonder if that is what they will come up with.

 

[fairestoneofall]

I thought so, too, very Candle in the Wind. If I were in the audience, however, I do kind of think I'd like to be sitting there when the lights come up in the afterglow of a really big, over the top musical number still ringing in the air.

When the ensemble was sitting and discussing the fact that Rebecca had told Karen somebody deliberately put the peanuts in the smoothie, the next image was the camera moving in on Ellis, probably designed to make you think he did it. If he did, it was his own scheme IMO.

Personally I think Rebecca did it to herself to put a good face on pulling out of a project where she was over her head.

i've wondered if it was Rebecca. seriously, if she could "taste" it in the shake, why did she drink more?

 

[kimmar067]

....I thought I remembered from one of the earlier episodes of Smash, where Derrick said that they weren't focusing on her death, but a specific part of her rise to stardom....

 

[FergieTCat]

I take back what I said about the end of musicals ending in suicides. You people win!

I saw "End of the Rainbow" on Tuesday night, which is about Judy Garland's last shows in London. Guess who dies of a drug overdose at the end??

 

[SaraJayne]

i've wondered if it was Rebecca. seriously, if she could "taste" it in the shake, why did she drink more?

It was Ellis. That's why he's fired in next weeks episode. There is a clip online of him admitting it and then Eileen fires him.

 

[Princess Dolly]

It was Ellis. That's why he's fired in next weeks episode. There is a clip online of him admitting it and then Eileen fires him.

I still think there is more to the story. Ellis could be protecting or taking the heat for someone else. I don't think they would let the whole thing out of the bag the week before.

 

[SaraJayne]

I still think there is more to the story. Ellis could be protecting or tacking the heat for someone else. I don't think they would let the whole thing out of the bag the week before.

Oh, I know it was Ellis. Like I said upthread, I think he did it for Ivy.

 

[sam_gordon]

It was Ellis. That's why he's fired in next weeks episode. There is a clip online of him admitting it and then Eileen fires him.

Thanks for the spoiler SaraJayne. I intentionally don't read this thread (or the Glee one) until I'm caught up on the latest episode (which I am).

 

[Imzadi]

I take back what I said about the end of musicals ending in suicides. You people win!

I saw "End of the Rainbow" on Tuesday night, which is about Judy Garland's last shows in London. Guess who dies of a drug overdose at the end??

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Shoot, why'd you go and spoil the ending!

I still think there is more to the story. Ellis could be protecting or tacking the heat for someone else. I don't think they would let the whole thing out of the bag the week before.

Hmm, maybe he's covering for Rebecca's assistant? As someone else said, Rebecca wanted out of the show, so she had her assistant make up smoothie with peanuts and Ellis accidentally saw him do it.

Ellis does things which are self serving. Does he hitch his wagon to Eileen and a show that is flopping, or to Rebecca's assistant who may have more connections to help him down the road who may owe him for taking the bullet on this?

 

[SaraJayne]

Thanks for the spoiler SaraJayne. I intentionally don't read this thread (or the Glee one) until I'm caught up on the latest episode (which I am).

It was at the end of last week's episode, in the previews.

 

[SaraJayne]

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Hmm, maybe he's covering for Rebecca's assistant? As someone else said, Rebecca wanted out of the show, so she had her assistant make up smoothie with peanuts and Ellis accidentally saw him do it.

Ellis does things which are self serving. Does he hitch his wagon to Eileen and a show that is flopping, or to Rebecca's assistant who may have more connections to help him down the road who may owe him for taking the bullet on this?

I was reading speculation on the Smash Facebook page and someone mentioned that next season, Ellis will come back and try to claim the rights to Bombshell. Remember when he stole Julia's notebook earlier in the season?

That's an interesting theory.

 

[sam_gordon]

It was at the end of last week's episode, in the previews.

But not that he admitted spiking the smoothie. He could have been fired for any number of reasons... saying "someone needs to be the producer" to the producer... , or any other "Ellis" thing.

 

[FergieTCat]

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Maybe I just should have said "Rainbow" ended right before the Stonewall riot?

 

[Princess Dolly]

But not that he admitted spiking the smoothie. He could have been fired for any number of reasons... saying "someone needs to be the producer" to the producer... , or any other "Ellis" thing.

It was also posted by Smash on Facebook yesterday.

 

[Imzadi]

It was also posted by Smash on Facebook yesterday.

Sam mentioned spoilers. Technically, spoilers are anything that is not in the actual episode itself. Some people don't want to read all that other stuff until after it actually airs in an episode. Unless the thread is titled a "Spoiler" thread and people know to expect that outside will be posted, they should be able to safely to read & discuss on a thread only about what has currently aired. So while the Smash Facebook page may be their official TV show page with info about the show, there is extra stuff on there that is not in the current episode, and would be considered spoilers.