Slobs & rude people at the pools

[kmvand1]

Considering we were in the little alcove between the main pool & the kiddie pool (behind/next to the playground) it wasn't difficult to realize that they weren't there. In fact, our table was right next to theirs.

Yes, I was prepared for a confrontation. It would not have bothered me.

OLS386 - Here is where the OP stated she was prepared for a conflict, did you not see this???

 

[spiceycat]

here are 5 of us in our family, so we usually stake out 2 chairs since we know that we won't really be sitting very much. But we are continuously going back for suncreen re-application, sitting for a few minutes, towel wiping the eyes, etc. I would have been pretty mad if someone moved my stuff if I had been going back every hour. We do as we are fair skinned and burn very easily

when you do that you are noticed. your shoes are there and other stuff that this family took with them. Your wrap or shorts for walking to the pool, etc.

besides I kept an eye on my stuff and you probably do too. don't want anyone walking off with my sun skin. first it is expensive and one is a precription.

because of my fair skin - generally only go early morning and at night.

 

[gogo]

Can't help but respond again to this post. The bottom line is no matter how irritating and annoying it is that someone left their belongings for so many hours, no one really has a right to touch someone else's belongings. I think if a resort guest sees something that is wrong, by all means contact a cm or security. Then, it is out of your hands. How sad if the OP was accused of stealing something by moving the personal property of someone else. Why would anyone want to put themselves in a position like that.

If someone starts monitoring belongings being left for five hours, someone else may feel strongly that one hour is too much. Where would it stop and who has a right to judge how long is too long? Certainly, kindness towards other guests is admirable but it is just not wise to take some matters into your own hands. How can you say that you would be prepared for a confrontation. You couldn't possibly know how someone would respond to having their personal items moved by someone other that a person in charge.

 

[SnowandMittens]

Then it should be mutually agreed from everyone on this board that the correct thing to do in this situation would be to contact a cast member, such as a life gaurd.

 

[hammie59]

OLS386 - Here is where the OP stated she was prepared for a conflict, did you not see this???

She said she was prepared (for obvious reasons). Not looking for one.

 

[spiceycat]

Can't help but respond again to this post. The bottom line is no matter how irritating and annoying it is that someone left their belongings for so many hours, no one really has a right to touch someone else's belongings. I think if a resort guest sees something that is wrong, by all means contact a cm or security. Then, it is out of your hands. How sad if the OP was accused of stealing something by moving the personal property of someone else. Why would anyone want to put themselves in a position like that.

If someone starts monitoring belongings being left for five hours, someone else may feel strongly that one hour is too much. Where would it stop and who has a right to judge how long is too long? Certainly, kindness towards other guests is admirable but it is just not wise to take some matters into your own hands. How can you say that you would be prepared for a confrontation. You couldn't possibly know how someone would respond to having their personal items moved by someone other that a person in charge.

no if they leaving their stuff for hours - guess what they must not want it.

disney is like other places - there are thiefs there too. If you are stupid enough to leave your stuff. then in my book if some things get stolen you only have yourself to blame. Your insurance company will agree with me.

besides in this day and age - anyone who leaves stuff for hours - be aware of - be very aware of. they may be harmless - or they may see if they can get away with leaving stuff - next time - it is that bomb.

though agree touching others stuff is not a good idea - go get security. let them deal with it.

if security throws it away - hey you left it!!!

 

[TheDWord]

Is it rude to stake a claim and disappear for hours? Absolutely. Not only is it rude, but it's selfish and annoying.

However, as much as I think those people were being rude, I do not know for sure that their intent was to go to the parks and come back in 6 hours with a guaranteed spot at the pool. How do you know that they werent just going to the bathroom, then some emergency came up? Isn't that possible? How would you have felt if the people came back and explained that their son had a slip and they had to take him to the hospital? I'm not suggesting that was the case, and it probably is not the case, but the point is that we don't know for sure what people's intentions are. There are also unintended consequences of your actions, that I'm sure if you thought through, you would have reconsidered. Unless there will be consequences of inaction (like imminent danger to someone, illegal activity, etc), I would not touch anyone's belongings, nor would I have reported it to the CM. If a CM noticed it and took the belongings to the lost and found, that would have been totally fine because that would be within his or her right to do that as an employee- to maintain the pool for the enjoyment of all guests. For me as a guest to do that? It's not my business, it's not my job. It's also not my civil duty to be a pool monitor, and I cannot condemn someone based on circumstantial evidence. Again, you can't be certain why they left, even if the obvious answer was to cheat. Also, to the people looking for a seat, had they asked me, I wouldve just said "These seats here have been unoccupied for hours now. I have no idea where these people went, but if you want to take it, be my guest."

Sorry- touching other people's things is an aggressive move in my book(again, except for certain situations like a mentioned above). If you were the person who left their things, you may feel sorry for what you did and understand the error of your ways, but there will be a part of you that is stirred to anger if you find out someone touched your belongings and moved them aside. In this instance, IMO, there's no way the "crime" is that dire that I make a voluntary decision to basically "trespass" other people's property.

OP- I respect your decision in what you did, but I repectfully disagree- but you can see from this thread, alot of people agree with you and not me. In any event, I honestly do believe your motives were good here.

 

[gogo]

no if they leaving their stuff for hours - guess what they must not want it.

disney is like other places - there are thiefs there too. If you are stupid enough to leave your stuff. then in my book if some things get stolen you only have yourself to blame. Your insurance company will agree with me.

besides in this day and age - anyone who leaves stuff for hours - be aware of - be very aware of. they may be harmless - or they may see if they can get away with leaving stuff - next time - it is that bomb.

though agree touching others stuff is not a good idea - go get security. let them deal with it.

if security throws it away - hey you left it!!!

Something can be stolen if you leave it for five minutes. It does not have to be there for hours.


What if some kook wants your spot and tells security you stuff has been there a long time. Then what? MYOB

People you cannot control what others choose to do. You can only control what you do. You will drive yourself crazy if you try and monitor others who do not behave in a responsible way.

 

[SnowandMittens]

What if some kook wants your spot and tells security you stuff has been there a long time. Then what? MYOB

People you cannot control what others choose to do. You can only control what you do. You will drive yourself crazy if you try and monitor others who do not behave in a responsible way.

Alerting security when there is a suspicious package or luggage left is common procedure at airports, schools, and yes, even theme parks.

Belongings should not be left unattended, especially at a public place, if not just for security reasons. You don't know that there isn't a bomb in there.

Let the staff take care of it, or alert them about it. That would have been the proper procedure.

 

[gogo]

Alerting security when there is a suspicious package or luggage left is common procedure at airports, schools, and yes, even theme parks.

Belongings should not be left unattended, especially at a public place, if not just for security reasons. You don't know that there isn't a bomb in there.

Let the staff take care of it, or alert them about it. That would have been the proper procedure.

The bomb thing is ridiculous. Not that there are not terrorists but if there was a stroller sitting outside of an attraction for hours, there wouldn't be anyone up in arms. The bomb thing at the pool is an excuse to move the belongings so the chairs and table can be used.

Not having a chair and table at the pool is not a dire emergency as a pp mentioned.

The suggestion that a pp made about telling the other resort guests that it has not been occupied for hours was good advice. Then let that guest make a decision to sit there or not for themselves

Or, why not offer to share your table or chairs. Everyone should write to Disney if they feel so strongly about chair and table hogs, then may be something will be done.

 

[TheDWord]

Alerting security when there is a suspicious package or luggage left is common procedure at airports, schools, and yes, even theme parks.

Belongings should not be left unattended, especially at a public place, if not just for security reasons. You don't know that there isn't a bomb in there.

Let the staff take care of it, or alert them about it. That would have been the proper procedure.

Unattended packages in airports - suspicious and not ordinary
Unattended packges on train station platforms - suspicious and not ordinary
Unattended items on pool chairs at vacation resorts - not suspicious and very common

When you go on a picnic and there is a picnic table full of stuff on it, but noone is at the table, but there are people nearby playing soccer- are you alerting the authorities because there are unattended items on the picnic table?

Alot of this is common sense. If that truly worries you, you shouldn't go to the pool in the first place, because you will find unattended items throughout the day. To make a parallel between transportation security measures and the situation here is pretty far-fetched.

 

[MiaSRN62]

melsmice :You can do whatever you feel is right in different situations. I chose to move the belongs to the ground next to the table & let other people enjoy the space.

Melsmice....I totally agree with you. I would have done the same.

gogo ;The bottom line is no matter how irritating and annoying it is that someone left their belongings for so many hours, no one really has a right to touch someone else's belongings. I think if a resort guest sees something that is wrong, by all means contact a cm or security. Then, it is out of your hands. How sad if the OP was accused of stealing something by moving the personal property of someone else. Why would anyone want to put themselves in a position like that.

I am the one that posted about the VB washer....paced for HOURS waiting for the person to come back remove their wash. I told CM's about it. Their response. We'll have to put a sign up telling guests to be more "timely" with removing their clothes. I remained at VB for another 3 days and never saw that sign go up. No...I would NEVER remove someone's clothes if they had been there an hour or so just sitting. But I timed about 3 hours and another guest said to me, "they put those clothes in there this morning". She had been doing laundry all day and was also waiting for washers/dryers. It was quite clear the family in question put their clothes in the wash and took off for a day of fun in the sun on the beach or at the pool. I had absolutely no issues removing their clothes. I needed the washer. And I'll tell ya...if you ever go on a cruise (speaking from 3 Disney Magic/Wonder cruises), gosh forbid you leave your clothes in a washer or dryer for even 15 min past the time the cycle ends. It's CRAZY on the ships. So the fact I waited at least 3 hours and it was confirmed by another guest that it was actually longer than that....and CM's made no proactive moves......I took the clothes out. I say "too bad"....those people never should have assumed that doing that was by any means acceptable. Somehow the blame is being put on people like me and Melsmice because we removed items. Oh well.

TheDWord :Sorry- touching other people's things is an aggressive move in my book(again, except for certain situations like a mentioned above). If you were the person who left their things, you may feel sorry for what you did and understand the error of your ways, but there will be a part of you that is stirred to anger if you find out someone touched your belongings and moved them aside. In this instance, IMO, there's no way the "crime" is that dire that I make a voluntary decision to basically "trespass" other people's property.

Well we obviously have VERY different feelings on this subject. I paid money to stay at VB same as the person with laundry in question. I am ENTITLED to use of the washer after seeing a load of laundry sit in there unattended for 3 hours and confirmed longer than that by another. There is no way what I did could be described as a "crime" in my eyes. And I realize what you mean by using that word. I find it aggressive for someone to be so arrogant as to feel they can take up one of only three washers for an entire day when there are hundreds of people there and needing to use it. I wasted 3 hours of my day pacing back and forth for that washer. That was the "crime" against me and others needing to use it. In fact, the other woman in there talking to me had three small children all had stomach flu. She had alot of wash to do if you know what I mean. The "crime" was against HER and me and others like us who play by the rules and are respectful of others. So sorry....I disagree with you. I'm not into confrontation. But I will certainly not just sit there and let someone walk all over me......I speak up when I feel something is wrong. And unfortunately, there are no pool chair police or laundry police to deal with these situations. I find CM's just want to let it go most of the time so as to not upset anyone. But then the people who are most upset are those that are playing by the rules and very much inconvenienced by other rude and disrespectful guests. One time we complained about a guy smoking a cigar at the OKW pool. The CM never did a thing. My dh finally said something to him.


Maria

 

[spiceycat]

Unattended packages in airports - suspicious and not ordinary
Unattended packges on train station platforms - suspicious and not ordinary
Unattended items on pool chairs at vacation resorts - not suspicious and very common

When you go on a picnic and there is a picnic table full of stuff on it, but noone is at the table, but there are people nearby playing soccer- are you alerting the authorities because there are unattended items on the picnic table?

Alot of this is common sense. If that truly worries you, you shouldn't go to the pool in the first place, because you will find unattended items throughout the day. To make a parallel between transportation security measures and the situation here is pretty far-fetched.

you are being silly.

do you really think that terrorism won't come to WDW.

terrorists assume someone won't believe it is happening until it is too late.

in this day and age - every unopened and unattended package should be reported to security at WDW. It does not matter where it is.

you know when someone is watching their stuff and when no one is - it is the no one that is the problem.

as far as the laundry - that happened to me not at wdw. but at home - went back at 30 minutes and it was dumped on the table. what was upsetting it was not dry. so someone took it our while it was still drying. They say they really needed the dryer and were not expecting me to come back that fast.

can understand what they were saying - but hey lived next door. So they used my dollar....

at Disney never had that problem. Of course got to time the new washers/dryer.

the old one it was 12 minutes to the rinse and other 13 minutes to finish.
for the dryer it was generally 30 minutes (sometimes 45).

 

[TheDWord]

Well we obviously have VERY different feelings on this subject. I paid money to stay at VB same as the person with laundry in question. I am ENTITLED to use of the washer after seeing a load of laundry sit in there unattended for 3 hours and confirmed longer than that by another. There is no way what I did could be described as a "crime" in my eyes. And I realize what you mean by using that word. I find it aggressive for someone to be so arrogant as to feel they can take up one of only three washers for an entire day when there are hundreds of people there and needing to use it. I wasted 3 hours of my day pacing back and forth for that washer. That was the "crime" against me and others needing to use it. In fact, the other woman in there talking to me had three small children all had stomach flu. She had alot of wash to do if you know what I mean. The "crime" was against HER and me and others like us who play by the rules and are respectful of others. So sorry....I disagree with you.


Maria

You are certainly entitled to the use of the washers, and you certainly committed no crime. It was also disrespectful of someone to leave there laundry in the machine all day. In fact, if my laundry had to get done and there were no other washers available, then I would, upon seeing that the CM was not being helpful, remove the clothes from the washer and put a note saying "Sorry for taking your clothes out of the washer, but it had been in there all day and I needed to get my laundry done." Is it an aggressive move? Yes, but a warranted one.

My point here is not to stand by an all-inclusive principle. For example, if I see someone walking away but he had left behind his sunglasses, I would pick it up and give it to him. On the other hand, if I absolutely had to leave somewhere but my car was blocked by another car and the valets were not around and I notice that the keys are in all the cars- do I move the car blocking mine? NO WAY! But in your case, which is an apples to apples comparison, I would take the clothes out. The consequences of my actions are much more severe in the car example. It's your own personal discretion. I personally feel that a person leaving a pool chair for hours does not give me the right to touch and move their things, and even more so if I'm not the one looking for the chairs. If I had finished my laundry and I happen to notice that clothes in another washer had not been removed for hours, it's none of my business. It does not directly affect me, and although you could make the argument that you're doing a service to the next person, touching those items at that point, to me, would be a no-no. I feel like that'd be doing a wrong to make a right. There's a much bigger difference when it directly affects you as opposed to not affecting you at all. If I were the perpetrator, and it was explained to me that you had to get your laundry done, so you removed my clothes, I would have no ill-will and would be very apologetic. Now, if you were just someone who happened to notice it and decided it was your right to remove my clothes, I would understand that I should'nt have done that, but I would definitely be irked that someone who was totally unaffected touched my clothes. It just gives off a "I'm better than you" vibe to me. I'm sure you'd feel the same.

 

[TheDWord]

you are being silly.

do you really think that terrorism won't come to WDW.

terrorists assume someone won't believe it is happening until it is too late.

in this day and age - every unopened and unattended package should be reported to security at WDW. It does not matter where it is.

you know when someone is watching their stuff and when no one is - it is the no one that is the problem.

I never said terrorism would never come to WDW. However, I'm not going to be the person the paranoid that reports every single unattended item he sees in a resort swimming pool. I probably would be asked to leave!

If you feel like it's a risk for you, then you simply should not go to the pools, or you will be doing a lot of reporting and very little relaxing and swimming. When is the last time you went to a pool and knew to whom every single item belonged to? People will run to the restroom, take a dip, go make a phone call, whetever. You will not be able to identify a person to every single item left unattended. Is it possible for a terrorist act to take place there? Of course it is!. I'm not debating that. If you are getting a strange vibe from a package, should you not report it because it's at a pool? Of course you should. All I'm trying to point out is that unattended items is a common thing at resort swimming pools. Unattended packages in airports is a different story. It is uncommon, and in and of itself deemed suspicious. You cannot seriously be making the parallel that unattended items in airports and resort swimming pool deserve the same level of srutiny, are you?

 

[kaytieeldr]

So you are confrontational by nature? See you just admitted to hoping for some sort of conflict

Um, no. I have relatively high reading comprehension and

Yes, I was prepared for a confrontation. It would not have bothered me

doesn't in any way state or imply the OP was hoping for confrontation, just that she was ready if one occurred.

 

[Cinderella]

Good for the OP. Poolchair hogs are rude and inconsiderate and these people left their stuff there all day. They were lucky their stuff was just moved.

I went to a hotel many years ago where persistent poolchair hogs wound up having their towels thrown in the pool. I'm not saying it's right to throw people's stuff in the pool but I think they got the message after that.

 

[maxiesmom]

I think it is sad that so much rude behavior is tolerated, and excuses made for it. If you leave your pool stuff at a table for hours on end, then you are being rude. And why should the rest of the people at the pool have to sit and accept that rude behavior? It is not like someone took their stuff and chucked it into the lake. It was moved a few feet, where it could easiely be found by the people whenever they deined to come back for it.

I honestly think we tolerate way to much of this sort of behavior. And people are way to ready to make excuses for it. We need to raise our standards of behavior, not lower them.

 

[SnowandMittens]

All I am saying is that if someone, anyone, at the pool felt it was nessary to report it to security or to a CM, then someone that is employeed by Disney can make the judgement call to move it or not.

The OP said that these people came and placed items by the pool, and then left for an extended period of time.

That, IMO, isn't normal behavior. It's rude, certainly, but it certainly isn't over-reacting to report it to security. It's up to them to make the judgement of the action.

 

[re121258]

I see nothing wrong with what the OP did. There are too many people who feel the rules don't apply to them as well has having forgotten the basics of common courtesy.