Sign this if the tour groups bother you

[LukenDC]

You can add my name to the letter. Maybe the Pop Warner organization should get a letter too. If I saw a group of kids behaving poorly and abusing other guests, I would find out where they were from and send a letter to the principal of their school. That might result in better chaperones in subsequent years.

 

[boomhauer]

What rules do you propose that would apply to a group that would be any different from an individual? How would these be enforced? What constitutes a group? Ten or more? Twenty? Thirty?

These groups have as much right to WDW as anyone. If they are unruly, it is handled. To exclude any group or to hold them to a different or higher standard is impossible.

To answer the first question, if the cheerleaders, for example, start their cheers on a bus - The drivers should stop the bus and ask them to please be respectful of others or they will not be permitted to use Disney transportation further. If 2 indivdual people not in a group were being unruly and causing problems, Disney would certainly approach them.

Noone's saying they don't have a right to WDW. What we're saying is, they should follow the same rules, regulations and guidelines of behavior as anyone else would. Again, if 2 individuals not in a group were making a lot of noise at all hours of the night at the resort, Disney would tell them to stop. Why are groups allowed to behave in a manner that others would not be allowed to.

It's no different than when you go to a movie. If someone is being obnoxious and disturbing others in the theatre, they may be asked to leave. Disney World should be no different.

And one last note - Disney does not need CM's to "patrol". On each and every occasion I have noticed a group being disruptive, there's always been a CM present. Whether it be a ride operator, a bus driver, or a food cart vendor. All it would take is the CM getting on their radio and alerting the proper authority at WDW. Again, if it was just one or two people creating a disturbance, Disney wouldn't allow it. Should they allow groups to just because they've paid more collectively than a family of 4? If the rules of society aren't going to be enforced upon everyone because of their financial standing or status in the community, what kind of society would we live in?

 

[Chad&Janet]

I'm in.

 

[disney junky]

To answer the first question, if the cheerleaders, for example, start their cheers on a bus - The drivers should stop the bus and ask them to please be respectful of others or they will not be permitted to use Disney transportation further. If 2 indivdual people not in a group were being unruly and causing problems, Disney would certainly approach them.

Noone's saying they don't have a right to WDW. What we're saying is, they should follow the same rules, regulations and guidelines of behavior as anyone else would. Again, if 2 individuals not in a group were making a lot of noise at all hours of the night at the resort, Disney would tell them to stop. Why are groups allowed to behave in a manner that others would not be allowed to.

It's no different than when you go to a movie. If someone is being obnoxious and disturbing others in the theatre, they may be asked to leave. Disney World should be no different.

And one last note - Disney does not CM's to "patrol". On each and every occasion I have noticed a group being disruptive, there's always been a CM present. Whether it be a ride operator, a bus driver, or a food cart vendor. All it would take is the CM getting on their radio and alerting the proper authority at WDW. Again, if it was just one or two people creating a disturbance, Disney wouldn't allow it. Should they allow groups to just because they've paid more collectively than a family of 4? If the rules of society aren't going to be enforced upon everyone based upon their financial standing or status in the community, what kind of society would we live in?

I can guarantee you that the cm's do exactly that, those who have radios-they are the coordinators. You just don't happen to see it. Not only are people asked to leave the parks daily, they can be banned from certain areas of parks and often are.

Again I ask, what rules do you want that don't already exist for individuals. Face it. What you really don't want is anyone or anything that disturbs your vacation whether that be an individual or a group. Who of us doesn't? There are times a crying baby won't bother me and another time it will. If 20 kids on a bus start doing cheers, I have two options. Look at them as 20 kids having fun, loud, but fun, and realize they probably aren't intentionally seeking to annoy me (the ungrateful and insensitive rogues) or I can get really ticked, question their parentage, their upbringing, and then compound that with anger towards the bus driver (who is navigating traffic) because he isn't doing anything about it. I'll choose the former. Will I join in on their cheering. Nope. But will I let it ruin my time. Nope. Life's too short.
Have a great day.

 

[boomhauer]

I can guarantee you that the cm's do exactly that, those who have radios-they are the coordinators. You just don't happen to see it. Not only are people asked to leave the parks daily, they can be banned from certain areas of parks and often are.

Again I ask, what rules do you want that don't already exist for individuals. Face it. What you really don't want is anyone or anything that disturbs your vacation whether that be an individual or a group. Who of us doesn't? There are times a crying baby won't bother me and another time it will. If 20 kids on a bus start doing cheers, I have two options. Look at them as 20 kids having fun, loud, but fun, and realize they probably aren't intentionally seeking to annoy me (the ungrateful and insensitive rogues) or I can get really ticked, question their parentage, their upbringing, and then compound that with anger towards the bus driver (who is navigating traffic) because he isn't doing anything about it. I'll choose the former. Will I join in on their cheering. Nope. But will I let it ruin my time. Nope. Life's too short.
Have a great day.

I think it's been said on this thread quite a bit. And as I said earlier, in terms of the cheerleaders on the buses, tell them to stop or they can't use the transportation.

As someone else said, you can't compare a crying baby who doesn't know any better to a bunch of 15 year old girls that do. That's not a fair analogy.

As for Disney asking people to leave, you're right - I've never seen it done. However, I have seen tour groups running through the parks, chanting, singing, and cutting people in line.

As someone else said, when these groups make arrangements, Disney could put down a few simple rules that they need to follow.

1.No cheering, chanting or singing on the buses.

2.No chanting, singing or cutting in line at the parks.

3.No chanting, singing or cutting line at resorts or food courts.

How hard would this be?

It's obvious that these things don't bother you as much as they do some. That's fine. No problem. But the fact is, they DO bother some. And what we can do is either let Disney know collectively, or do nothing but have nothing to complain about.

Also, I think your bus scenario is unfair. Try riding back to your resort at night with a 4 year old who's sound asleep and he gets woken up by cheerleaders practicing for their competition tomorrow. Then, you might feel differently.

 

[Mickiethepooh]

" So what your saying is your money is better than theirs. The thing is, if you set rules for them you have to set it for all people, everyone that walks into a park or resort. So that means if your kid is screaming at the top of his/her lungs then Security can pull you aside and say your child is screaming to loud. How would you feel, I know how you would feel, you would be pissed."


If my child were 13 or 14 and yelling at the top of their lungs then I would expect Disney security to pull us asside and give us what for. The point is that there ARE rules and they ARE suppose to apply to ALL guests but for some reason they are not enforced on group members to any decent degree.

When we were there in costume for Halloween party, Many people wanted pictures with my sons, we explained to every one that we were nothing to do with Disney and just guests like themselves, they wanted pictures anyway.
Disney SECURITY came up to us and told us that if we "allowed" people to take pictures of us/them that we would be thrown out of the park.
People continued to ask and we had to tell them just take a pic as we are going along, we can't stand with you for a picture, like it is Disney's business if One guest wants to take a picture of another guest!!!
We also had many non security CM come up and ask for their own pictures with the boys.
It shows how selective Disney security can be, they don't care if other guests are offended or inconvenienced by rowdy group members but something that might affect them, [someone assuming my "JACK" worked for the park, should he have done anything or said anything discreditiing to the Disney] That possibility they were all over.
I had even called before we came to ask if the costume would be all right as I knew they did not allow realistic costumes of characters that they HAD in the park, and was told that since they did not have a Jack Sparrow we would be fine.
Now of course they do have one. anyway the harrassment by security dampened what for me was a thrilling evening seeing people appreciate my efforts on the costumes.

My suggestion to you, is go when there aren't as many groups.[/QUOTE]

 

[Maps05]

Disney is aware of the situation. They are aware of everything that goes on in their parks. It's their business. A few years ago they went so far as to send videos to the groups who set up the foreign tours in order to offer models of appropriate behavior. It didn't change a thing, but WDW made the attempt.

What rules do you propose that would apply to a group that would be any different from an individual? How would these be enforced? What constitutes a group? Ten or more? Twenty? Thirty?

A family reunion of 50? What rules should they be subject to that you aren't?

WDW enforces a whole lot of things, but they try to be subtle. They don't feel that it enhances the experience to have cm's patroling, and you might be within 20 feet of a situation that is being handled and you won't be aware of it.

These groups have as much right to WDW as anyone. If they are unruly, it is handled. To exclude any group or to hold them to a different or higher standard is impossible.

Add me to the list!!

Disney Junkie, I'm really glad you wouldn't let it ruin your day. How about your night??? Till 4.00 in the morning?? When you have (repeatedly) night after night, rang security, walked to reception and STILL they ran riot around the resort - and you had paid for 14 nights + airfares from England??? Still think it wouldn't "ruin your day"....

 

[pigget74]

Count us in! We've honestly not had a lot of trouble in the parks or the buses, just minor disturbances. But at the hotels - now that's a different story. Too many times at the All Stars there were groups out screaming, running, cursing, slamming doors, cheering, etc. late at night with no supervision. We would call the front desk and nothing would happen for an hour. We would call the front desk again and nothing would happen - no one would come. We would personally go out and tell the kids to be quiet, that they were disturbing little kids who needed sleep - they didn't care. We'd close the door and they'd start back up. We'd call the front desk again and tell them to send security. Nothing happens. We're talking about midnight to 3 a.m. and Disney does nothing. There are no chaperones to be found. We said no All Stars again.
Is my money better than their's? You know, in that situation it is. I want some action from Disney and some chaperones to get off their lazy butts and do something.

 

[disney junky]

I think it's been said on this thread quite a bit. And as I said earlier, in terms of the cheerleaders on the buses, tell them to stop or they can't use the transportation.

As someone else said, you can't compare a crying baby who doesn't know any better to a bunch of 15 year old girls that do. That's not a fair analogy.

As for Disney asking people to leave, you're right - I've never seen it done. However, I have seen tour groups running through the parks, chanting, singing, and cutting people in line.

As someone else said, when these groups make arrangements, Disney could put down a few simple rules that they need to follow.

1.No cheering, chanting or singing on the buses.

2.No chanting, singing or cutting in line at the parks.

3.No chanting, singing or cutting line at resorts or food courts.

How hard would this be?

It's obvious that these things don't bother you as much as they do some. That's fine. No problem. But the fact is, they DO bother some. And what we can do is either let Disney know collectively, or do nothing but have nothing to complain about.

Also, I think your bus scenario is unfair. Try riding back to your resort at night with a 4 year old who's sound asleep and he gets woken up by cheerleaders practicing for their competition tomorrow. Then, you might feel differently.

Line cutting is already against the rules.
Singing and chanting...whatever. Last summer on the boat from MGM to BW, the captain had us all sing happy birthday to a passenger.
Good luck with your letter.
I'll take the bad with the good, and when I can't, I'll stay home.
BTW, if you stay on site, you can drive and park for free.

 

[LadyGracey]

I agree!

I am a teacher, and have been with students on several out-of-town trips. If my students acted like some of these groups do, they would not just be sent back to the hotel, they would be sent HOME, at their parents' expense. The behavior I see from these groups is ridiculous, and while I believe this is largely the fault of bad chaperoning and lax guidelines/unclear rules and no consequences on the part of the group leaders, I believe Disney should step in and outline its own standards of behavior for these groups, and that CMs should be instructed to enforce them no matter what the inconvenience to their daily routine.

For example: once, when I was in line at Kilimanjaro Safaris, there was an entire Brazilian tour group that tried to enter through the Fastpass line--only the first 15 or so actually had Fastpasses, and the rest were "tagalongs." When the CMs working the FP line saw this, rather than explain the rule that everyone needs their own pass and attempt to direct the rest into the standby line, they allowed the entire group (approximately 75-100 kids) into the Fastpass queue. Needless to say, there were PLENTY of angry guests in both queues, who had followed the rules and who suddenly had their wait time go up by 20 minutes. To make matters worse, these kids were rude and pushy to the other guests who they had been allowed to "butt" into. Perhaps the kids didn't understand the rules--but just because they're in a huge group doesn't give them the right to bypass the rules that all the rest of Disney's paying guests are asked to follow!!!!

 

[boomhauer]

Line cutting is already against the rules.
Singing and chanting...whatever. Last summer on the boat from MGM to BW, the captain had us all sing happy birthday to a passenger.
Good luck with your letter.
I'll take the bad with the good, and when I can't, I'll stay home.
BTW, if you stay on site, you can drive and park for free.

Exactly - So why do they let the tourist groups get away with it?????

Sorry - I don't feel as though anyone should just "take the bad with the good or stay home".

And I don't think I should either be forced to take my own vehicle or subject my children to obnoxious behavior at all hours of the day.

 

[disney junky]

Add me to the list!!

Disney Junkie, I'm really glad you wouldn't let it ruin your day. How about your night??? Till 4.00 in the morning?? When you have (repeatedly) night after night, rang security, walked to reception and STILL they ran riot around the resort - and you had paid for 14 nights + airfares from England??? Still think it wouldn't "ruin your day"....

That's junky with a "y". There are two of us and I wouldn't want the other one to be blamed for my comments.

What you are talking about is far different from what the thread suggests. Obviously, since you asked, this would ruin my day and my vacation. And if this happened to you, I certainly believe that you have every right to complain. I certainly would never return to a resort where this happened to me and nothing was done. I would imagine all sorts of rules and LAWS were broken during this two week episode. What additional rule would you suggest would have prevented this?

Individuals or groups who would act in this manner would hardly be swayed by rules which would be read to them by group leaders or chaperones upon making reservations.

 

[nyfinfan]

Line cutting is already against the rules.
Singing and chanting...whatever. Last summer on the boat from MGM to BW, the captain had us all sing happy birthday to a passenger.
Good luck with your letter.
I'll take the bad with the good, and when I can't, I'll stay home.
BTW, if you stay on site, you can drive and park for free.

+1

BTW...Your sig could be mine too.

 

[Jynohn]

Fortunately we have never encountered the unruly cheerleader/Pop Warner groups, but we do go to WDW in January when there tends to be a lot of Brazilian tour groups. For the most part, they really haven't bothered me.

Yes, I would be angry if they were cutting in line, shoving, etc. but I haven't experienced any of that luckily. The singing and chanting can get annoying, but what my family does is go to another attraction if we see a large group heading for a ride.

I may not like the loud singing and yelling, but if Disney banned singing for tour groups, they'd have to do it for everyone, which would make for a pretty dismal place if you ask me.

The resorts are a different story. I'd be very upset if my night's sleep was disturbed by loud groups, and would ask for some sort of compensation or other solution from management. As for the parks, however, other than reprimanding line cutters or outwardly vulgar behavior, I don't see that there's a whole lot that Disney can do.

 

[boomhauer]

What you are talking about is far different from what the thread suggests.

It's all tied in. Since I always stay at the All Stars, I see this problem all the time. In fact, in July, I saw a father get into a fight with a couple of chaperones who wouldn't keep it down after midnight. The father comlpained to the management. His response - "Don't come in July." I refuse to believe an executive for Disney would share that attitude.

Individuals or groups who would act in this manner would hardly be swayed by rules which would be read to them by group leaders or chaperones upon making reservations.

They would if Disney threatened to make them leave.

 

[disney junky]

What you are talking about is far different from what the thread suggests.

It's all tied in. Since I always stay at the All Stars, I see this problem all the time. In fact, in July, I saw a father get into a fight with a couple of chaperones who wouldn't keep it down after midnight. The father comlpained to the management. His response - "Don't come in July." I refuse to believe an executive for Disney would share that attitude.

Individuals or groups who would act in this manner would hardly be swayed by rules which would be read to them by group leaders or chaperones upon making reservations.

They would if Disney threatened to make them leave.

Good luck with your letter.

 

[Missec]

As someone else said, you can't compare a crying baby who doesn't know any better to a bunch of 15 year old girls that do. That's not a fair analogy.

Who may I ask, compared a crying baby to those groups? I said your Kid , I said nothing about a baby!

To me a kid is a child between the ages of 4 and 17. They know bettter. I personally cannot stand to see a kid cry. It gets under my skin really quick. The other thing that gets under my skin is the parents that ignore them when they are this way. You have some parents that actually try to get the child under control. I respect them for that.

Now back to these groups. Disney already knows all about them. But again its Business, its all about the money. Not your personal feelings.

It like this, I took a vacation last February, first one in 6 years. I went on a NON-Disney Cruise. I wanted to have the best time. I was not expecting 600 kids there. They were total brats. But I found a quiet place on the boat and enjoyed my vacation. So again my suggestion to all you that are complaining about this is to find a better time to go and enjoy yourselves.

 

[Missec]

Mickiethepooh

Love the costumes! They are awsome!

 

[doodle]

Please add me to your "petition". Our last trip was July 2006 and the tour groups were obnoxious. I "sit out" from a lot of rides so I always talk with other guests about their vacation. What was the #1 thing everyone was talking about? You guessed it! The poor behaviour of the tour groups. When you see the flag.........it's time to go the other way.

Did it ruin our trip? No. Was it a nuisance to us and others I spoke to? Yes. Will I go at that time of year again? Probably not.

Please Disney, do something!

 

[boomhauer]

Who may I ask, compared a crying baby to those groups? I said your Kid , I said nothing about a baby!

To me a kid is a child between the ages of 4 and 17. They know bettter. I personally cannot stand to see a kid cry. It gets under my skin really quick. The other thing that gets under my skin is the parents that ignore them when they are this way. You have some parents that actually try to get the child under control. I respect them for that.

Disneyjunky did:

"There are times a crying baby won't bother me and another time it will."