Shulas Dress Code

[Uncleromulus]

Calling what they have a "code" is probably a bit unfair. They are indeed just guidelines, suggestions as to what they would LIKE you to wear.

The real "code" is probably in what few things are expressly prohibited...

Maybe one day they'll get to what I saw on the door of a local restaurant the other day--"Shirt and shoes must be worn"

 

[LaurenT]

1) saying someone lied is not nearly the same thing as calling them a liar. I wouldn't say you lied, personally, but you did intentionally omit the statement that t-shirts are allowed. Your statements before would imply that in not turning you away for a t-shirt they simply aren't strictly enforcing the dress code, which is fallacious because t-shirts are expressly allowed in the dress code. You omitted the statement because it harmed your position.

2) No form of the word "recommend" appears in the dress code.

No matter how you cut it, I'm arguing from the policy as it is written. My argument is based on fact. Your argument is based on opinion and the desire to impose your desired standards on other people. If you think Disney should change the policy, that's cool and I really have no problem with that. But as long as the policy expressly allows non-offensive t-shirts then you are seriously crossing a line when attempting to guilt people about what they wear.

Nowhere did I say that they should change the code. You are saying that it's all the same to them whether you wear a polo shirt or a t-shirt..and I am saying that is not so...the guideline doesn't mention t-shirts...they will allow it..hat's what they say. It is obvious from the fact that the t-shirts are listed separately, not included with their guideline listed above it, that they prefer collared shirts.
And yes, saying someone lied is calling them a liar..that's what liars do..they lie. If you're not a liar, than you didn't lie.

 

[LaurenT]

Calling what they have a "code" is probably a bit unfair. They are indeed just guidelines, suggestions as to what they would LIKE you to wear.

The real "code" is probably in what few things are expressly prohibited...

Maybe one day they'll get to what I saw on the door of a local restaurant the other day--"Shirt and shoes must be worn"

That may unfortunately happen - leaving no place at all left for those of us who prefer an upscale experience to go. And then there'll be people on here that will argue that nowhere in "shirt and shoes must be worn" does it say that you must wear pants...
If people do not care at all what they look like when they sit down to a nice dinner, there's nothing we can do about it. I am glad that for the most part, people show up looking neat.

 

[FigNewton]

Nowhere did I say that they should change the code. You are saying that it's all the same to them whether you wear a polo shirt or a t-shirt..and I am saying that is not so...the guideline doesn't mention t-shirts...they will allow it..hat's what they say. It is obvious from the fact that the t-shirts are listed separately, not included with their guideline listed above it, that they prefer collared shirts.
And yes, saying someone lied is calling them a liar..that's what liars do..they lie. If you're not a liar, than you didn't lie.

LOL. That place where it says "T-shirts are now allowed..."? That's part of the guideline. If they really didn't want people to wear t-shirts then they would not have written a statement into the policy specifically stating they are allowed.

No you didn't say you think it should be changed in those words. But you don't think people should wear t-shirts, which are allowed in the policy. Therefore my statement, which by the way began with "if" making it a conditional statement. We've established what the policy actually says regarding t-shirts, though, and it is quite clear you are unhappy with the policy as written.

A liar is someone who lies, yes. A square is also a rhombus, though a rhombus is not always a square. When you accuse someone of calling names, it is best levelled at a person that has literally called you a name.

 

[Rip]

LOL...Why the name calling?
First, I did not embellish something you said, I exaggerated MY example to make a point..so don't think it's always about you.

Good grief, you absolutely embellished what I said, defended it, then admitted to it.

Second..where did I lie?
Their guidlines are exactly as I posted...that is what they recommend. They don't list t-shirts in their guidline, they go on after their recommended dress to say that they will allow them now - as long as they are not offensive..which excactly what I said..I said they will not kick you out for wearing a t-shirt! Geesh...get over yourself and stop calling everyone who has a differing opinion liars!

You purposefully omitted the printed fact that t-shirts are within their guidelines. That, my dear, is a purposeful attempt at deceiving. Call it what you want. BTW, as a PP pointed out, I did not call you a liar.

 

[Rip]

so how many times do you just unexpectedly pop into a signature restaurant? I think what's great about Disney is the available choices - be it hotels or restaurants - but I have long thought that when dining at a signature restaurant (usually a planned event) one should "dress up" at least a little bit - even if it's in "Disney" ; oh and btw is anyone else dying to say "stake is s-t-e-a-k" come on you know you are

Let's see, about 90% of the time that I eat at one. It really isn't that difficult if you are flexible with where you eat and know which ones are more available. I don't do the dining plan, so it's usually not that difficult to get a table at the restaurants that don't accept it.

 

[FigNewton]

That may unfortunately happen - leaving no place at all left for those of us who prefer an upscale experience to go. And then there'll be people on here that will argue that nowhere in "shirt and shoes must be worn" does it say that you must wear pants...
If people do not care at all what they look like when they sit down to a nice dinner, there's nothing we can do about it. I am glad that for the most part, people show up looking neat.

False analogy, as the topic at hand concerns an article of clothing which is, again, expressly allowed.

I care what i look like, I just don't believe that a collar on my shirt adds any significant degree to my appearance. A t-shirt is not by definition slovenly. Ironically last time I was in CG (wearing a t-shirt mind you) there were several people wearing collared shirts and jackets, yet they were quite disheveled in general. As far as neatness goes my attire was much higher on the scale. Sometimes it's not what you wear, it's how you wear it.

 

[BriarRosie]

Are we done with the contentious banter yet? Please?

I'm chiming in to say that if I use California Grill as a litmus test, I've seen everything from tshirts and jeans, to buttoned-down shirts and Dockers, to women in tshirts (many like me, solid color, knit), a nice top, or dresses. For the most part their dress code seemed to evolve from "suggested" dress to "prohibited" dress. They must have found it easier to just prohibit the most objectionable clothing.

As long as people don't look completely sloppy or wear bathing suits or pajama bottoms....I'm pretty much ok with it.

As for Shula's specifically? When I ate there last July, I wore a nice lightweight knit top and khaki capris. It was far from dressy, but clean and casual.

 

[LaurenT]

Just to be clear with EVERYTHING that Shula's says about dress, lest I be accused of lying for not including what follows the actual guideline...
the following is not only the guideline, but the addition of what is NOT allowed..where they throw in that T-shirts are now allowed...it is still not listed in the bulleted area of recommended attire, but they will allow it, which I have said all along.
Dress Code Guidelines:
Men: Khakis, slacks, jeans, dress shorts, collared shirts. Sport coats are optional.
Ladies: Capris, skirts, dresses, jeans, dress shorts.

Not permitted in dining room: Tank tops, swimwear, hats for gentleman, cut offs, or torn clothing. While T-shirts are now allowed, the policy remains that T-shirts with offensive language or graphics are not acceptable.

 

[Rip]

Just to be clear with EVERYTHING that Shula's says about dress, lest I be accused of lying for not including what follows the actual guideline...
the following is not only the guideline, but the addition of what is NOT allowed..where they throw in that T-shirts are now allowed...it is still not listed in the bulleted area of recommended attire, but they will allow it, which I have said all along.
Dress Code Guidelines:
Men: Khakis, slacks, jeans, dress shorts, collared shirts. Sport coats are optional.
Ladies: Capris, skirts, dresses, jeans, dress shorts.

Not permitted in dining room: Tank tops, swimwear, hats for gentleman, cut offs, or torn clothing. While T-shirts are now allowed, the policy remains that T-shirts with offensive language or graphics are not acceptable.

Meaning that, aside from the specific exclusions, t-shirts are part of the dress code.

 

[LaurenT]

Meaning that, aside from the specific exclusions, t-shirts are part of the dress code.

I give up.
If you want to believe that Shula's is recommending that you wear a t-shirt, go ahead. You win.

 

[FigNewton]

Just to be clear with EVERYTHING that Shula's says about dress, lest I be accused of lying for not including what follows the actual guideline...
the following is not only the guideline, but the addition of what is NOT allowed..where they throw in that T-shirts are now allowed...it is still not listed in the bulleted area of recommended attire, but they will allow it, which I have said all along.
Dress Code Guidelines:
Men: Khakis, slacks, jeans, dress shorts, collared shirts. Sport coats are optional.
Ladies: Capris, skirts, dresses, jeans, dress shorts.

Not permitted in dining room: Tank tops, swimwear, hats for gentleman, cut offs, or torn clothing. While T-shirts are now allowed, the policy remains that T-shirts with offensive language or graphics are not acceptable.

Wow. Even printing the whole thing you still have to twist it in an attempt to suit you. The WHOLE thing is the guideline concerning dress. You keep calling the first part, which you quoted before, "the guideline" and "recommended attire". It clearly does not say those items are recommended attire, and the but about t-shirts IS part of the guideline.

I can't take thus twisting of words and logic chopping anymore.

To other readers out there, I implore you when looking back at this thread. Read what the guideline says as a whole. It's really clear enough to stand on it's own so I'm leaving at that and not replying anymore.

 

[LaurenT]

To other readers out there, I implore you when looking back at this thread. Read what the guideline says as a whole. It's really clear enough to stand on it's own so I'm leaving at that and not replying anymore.

Thank you!

 

[Pink Mouse Ears]

So if the "guidelines" are just suggestions...and as long as I don't wear the things that are NOT permitted...I can wear whatever I want. Or wear nothing at all.

I'd personally be embarassed to go to a restaurant and be the "worst dressed."