Should smoking be......

[Planogirl]

Wow...good thing we'll never meet. You'd hate me right off the bat. I smoke, drink AND drive an SUV.

We'll just have to ban you period.

I'm another who's way more troubled by pollution from cars than smokers. The sad thing is that even SUV's could be made cleaner burning with a bit of investment.

 

[totalia]

Wow...good thing we'll never meet. You'd hate me right off the bat. I smoke, drink AND drive an SUV.

Theres a reason I'm very judicious about the people I associate with.

 

[sweet angel]

Theres a reason I'm very judicious about the people I associate with.

 

[Charade]

But are you suggesting cigarettes be made illegal? And if so, would the punishment for those caught smoking be prison time?

The punishment should be to EAT a cigarette. Just like Dad made you when he caught you smoking as a teen.

 

[Immelman]

when I say uncaring, pull up to a stoplight and look at the ground. look on sidewalks, look in the grass. cigarette butts everywhere. people smoke in their car, but they don't want their filthiness insdie, so where do they go? and the people that walk through the parks down here, ignoring the rules. everytime you get on the monorail or a tram, they tell you you no smoking. why? because people do it. standing outside the gates of universal, the announcement tells people not to smoke in the parks, except in designated areas. smokers are way too self-centered. they don't care about you or me or the air their kids breathe. it's about them and their habit.

 

[sweet angel]

I'm sorry, but I take offense when someone lumps an entire group of people into one label. You're saying "all smokers are uncaring" -- that's not true, plain and simple.

 

[lilallybean]

Gotta throw my 2 cents in.

I'm glad here in Delaware smoking is banned at all indoor places. It's great to go out with the family to eat and not come out smelling like smoke.

Thats it!!! I am moving to Delaware!!!

 

[Immelman]

I'm sorry, but I take offense when someone lumps an entire group of people into one label. You're saying "all smokers are uncaring" -- that's not true, plain and simple.

OK, I'll micro it. smokers are the most uncaring group of people I ever encounter. I'd love to see a study on what happens to the trillions of butts that people litter. a nano study of when rainwater saturates them and the excess chemicals are carried into stormwater drains. there's nothing like spending a day on the beach and finding them in the sand, or even underwater. that's uncaring. I love it when I pull up to a car with smoke pouring out of it, and mom and dad are in the front seat. and then I see the babies in the backseat. great habit.

 

[C.Ann]

I love it when I pull up to a car with smoke pouring out of it, and mom and dad are in the front seat. and then I see the babies in the backseat. great habit.

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Wow! You must live in a very bad neighborhood..
I can't recall ever having seen that type of behavior by parents around here.. Do you see this often?

 

[Immelman]

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Wow! You must live in a very bad neighborhood..

absolutely not. we live in a very nice gated community. but thanks for the shot. I'm speaking of Tampa traffic in general. we saw the same thing around Chicago.
I do think it's interesting you compare smokers to the poor.

 

[LoraJ]

Sticky situation.

The past few nights when I have come home, my whole condo smells like stale cigarrette smoke. Bleh! I couldn't figure out why. I have been here a year and never smelled smoke in here. I thought maybe the next door neighbor may have a new boyfriend who smokes.

Well, I just got home and the condo president was talking to these two girls I have never seen before next door to him. I could smell smoke coming out of there. They must be subletting from the guy who lives there who is now in seclusion for 3 months in some budhist camp.

Do i have a right to say anything since the smoke is coming into my apartment and getting into my clothes and things? They don't own the place. I actually would think it would tick the owner of the place off that he comes back and having his whole apartment stink. His furniture, his clothes, etc.

These girls seem to be friends of the condo president because they are all speaking Romanian. So I don't know how he would deal with it if I complained?

Ugh!

 

[totalia]

Once again I find myself agreeing with Immelman (if not in the way he says it).

Smokers are uncaring. MOst (not all because that would be rather dumb to say) throw their butts out the window, let smoke blow in peoples faces (I've actually seen... when a smokers smoke gets in your face and you move your hand in front of your face to move the smoke away, then the smoker just moves the cigarette to the other hand as though that actually changes anything), and worse.

Its gross. Have you ever taken a look at the walls in a house you live in after a year of smoking indoors? White walls are now yellow and the yellow won't come out with significant scrubbing and bleach. Not to mention that everything about them (and their house and car) just reaks.

Most smokers don't care that they are subjecting others to their poison. I hate saying that but I have lived with smokers most of my life. I am the only family members out of all my parents, my sister, my grandparents, aunt's, uncles, and cousins that doesn't smoke. And I actually get bugged about not smoking by all of them.

I noticed that once I moved out on my own, I actually started to feel better. I could breath again and I didn't get headaches nearly as often.

Its the cigarette smoke.

If more people cared, that would be great and it would eliminate alot of problems but the thing is that most smokers don't care.

 

[Planogirl]

Sticky situation.

The past few nights when I have come home, my whole condo smells like stale cigarrette smoke. Bleh! I couldn't figure out why. I have been here a year and never smelled smoke in here. I thought maybe the next door neighbor may have a new boyfriend who smokes.

Well, I just got home and the condo president was talking to these two girls I have never seen before next door to him. I could smell smoke coming out of there. They must be subletting from the guy who lives there who is now in seclusion for 3 months in some budhist camp.

Do i have a right to say anything since the smoke is coming into my apartment and getting into my clothes and things? They don't own the place. I actually would think it would tick the owner of the place off that he comes back and having his whole apartment stink. His furniture, his clothes, etc.

These girls seem to be friends of the condo president because they are all speaking Romanian. So I don't know how he would deal with it if I complained?

Ugh!

You must somehow share ventilation with the other units. I blame that on the builder and think it's horrible! Do you smell it when someone cooks something? Or maybe even other interesting odors? I would hate that.

 

[C.Ann]

absolutely not. we live in a very nice gated community. but thanks for the shot. I'm speaking of Tampa traffic in general. we saw the same thing around Chicago.
I do think it's interesting you compare smokers to the poor.

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It wasn't a "shot" by any means - sorry if you thought it was.. When I was staying at my sisters house in another city there was a certain area of that city that I had to drive through where it seemed the smokers far outweighed the non-smokers and sadly, it definitely was not what you would consider the "better" side of town.. One or both parents would often be sitting out on their "stoops", with their children sitting beside them (or in between them), and they would be smoking up a storm.. If these people owned vehicles, I wouldn't really be surprised if they smoked with the children in the car as well..

On the flip side of that, the neighborhood that I used to live in, you didn't see that sort of thing.. That's why I was surprised when you made it sound like you see this behavior on a constant basis.. I assumed you were talking about the type of neighborhood I described above simply because I haven't witnessed it myself in the better neighborhoods.. Not to say it doesn't happen, but if it does happen here, it's very far and very few between..

Poor people smoke, not-so-poor people smoke, and rich people smoke.. Shoot, the doctor I used to work for smoked, but she didn't do it with her son in the car.. It just seems that a significant portion of the people who live in depressed areas don't consider smoking around their children to be that big of a deal and in my personal experience, those are the only areas where I have seen consistent behavior of the kind you are referring to..

Sorry if I offended you in any way, but you really threw me off when you made it sound like you see this on a constant, continual basis..

 

[C.Ann]

Sticky situation.

The past few nights when I have come home, my whole condo smells like stale cigarrette smoke. Bleh! I couldn't figure out why. I have been here a year and never smelled smoke in here. I thought maybe the next door neighbor may have a new boyfriend who smokes.

Well, I just got home and the condo president was talking to these two girls I have never seen before next door to him. I could smell smoke coming out of there. They must be subletting from the guy who lives there who is now in seclusion for 3 months in some budhist camp.

Do i have a right to say anything since the smoke is coming into my apartment and getting into my clothes and things? They don't own the place. I actually would think it would tick the owner of the place off that he comes back and having his whole apartment stink. His furniture, his clothes, etc.

These girls seem to be friends of the condo president because they are all speaking Romanian. So I don't know how he would deal with it if I complained?

Ugh!

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Do you have a lease? And if so, is there anything in there about smoking? Most of the apartment/townhouse/condo rentals around here are strictly non-smoking now.. If it's in your lease, you can definitely do something about it!

 

[LoraJ]

You must somehow share ventilation with the other units. I blame that on the builder and think it's horrible! Do you smell it when someone cooks something? Or maybe even other interesting odors? I would hate that.

It's an older building, I think it just comes through the floors or something. Or maybe where the heating pipes are.

The apartment below me is a duplex and the kitchen and living room are 2 floors below, but I do smell his cooking sometimes when it is something very powerful. But it's very rare that that happens.

 

[totalia]

LoraJ

It wouldn't hurt to ask the landlord. The worst he will do is say that he can't do anything about it.

 

[jamsmom]

As much as I am alleric to smoke, NO! it shold not be banned. (of course, maybe I am still thinking too much of my ex)

 

[LoraJ]

LoraJ

It wouldn't hurt to ask the landlord. The worst he will do is say that he can't do anything about it.

Well, the guy who owns that unit is in seclusion until April or so. So, I can't talk to him. He can't talk to anyone.

 

[Immelman]

K. I get warnings around this board because I don't sugarcoat stuff. people that smoke in cars with kids are trash. and I see it a lot. I live near a big city, and with that comes a bigger ratio of idiots and trash. my parents smoked in the car when we were kids, and *****ed at us when we rolled the windows down when they had they A/C on. they don't admit their trangressions. my parents are trash. point blank. I've never even tried smoking because of it, and neither has my wife. so I don't care about your addiction. I lived with it, and with selfish parents. you deal with it.