Should kids show respect for adults on buses?

[Harmony]

Originally Posted by bicker
Children shouldn't cuss at adults. That's a matter of respect. Children should sit in their own seats. That's a matter of safety.

So true!!!

Double !

 

[crisi]

I can't imagine a child not knowing what "being first in line means!" It is genetic! Kids are born self-centered.

I do agree, however, on teaching them to evaluate situations. It is a good lesson to learn. Compassion and empathy are dying virtues in our society, but all it takes is the example of a parent.

My daughter has this "daydreaming" problem where she often delays, procrastinates, and dwaddles her way though missing her opportunity to be early in line. So for us, yeah, being first in line and getting those benefits is something that we are busy teaching. "See, if you hurry up and get there early, there are advantages."

Kids are born self centered, but they are also born with the amazing ability to not get cause and effect.

 

[PlutoPony]

I wonder where this idea that children were safe sitting on their parent's lap came from.

Maybe at least partly from the fact that up until they're 2 y/o they're allowed to sit in their parents' lap on an airplane. So if we assume that's acceptably safe or it wouldn't be allowed (not trying to start a debate on this) then sitting on an adult's lap on a bus, which travels at a much lower relative speed, should also be safe ?
Just a guess...

 

[Becky2005]

I'm not so sure I agree with the "it's unsafe for kids to stand on the bus" crowd. Under 5 maybe, but over 5.

The WDW buses are pretty much the same type of buses that are used here. (NYC transit) Kids here stand on crowded buses(and trains) everyday during rush hour.

Most of our students (over 1 million) do not ride school buses to school. The city provides them with metro cards so that they can use the city buses and trains.

Since I see kids 5-18 do this day in and day out, I'm not convinced it's a safety issue. If it was, I sure people would not be allowed to stand on buses. (charter and DME buses)

I don't have any stats to back this up. I'm just going by what I've experienced in NYC for the last 38 years.

I think parents should what they feel is right, and not worry about what others may think.

HOWEVER, and I remember this being discussed before. Not all children have ever ridden a city type bus before and have no clue standing is even ALLOWED, much less would think to do it.

Only my oldest has ever ridden a city bus outside of Disney and actually her first time was the first time *I* had ever ridden a city bus outside of Disney too. They were a bit freaked out with the idea of no seatbelts, the idea of standing was so foreign to them it didn't even cross their minds. Honestly, if I hadn't been reading the DIS it would have been just a foreign concept to me too that you would actually be STANDING on a moving vehicle. That's just something that isn't even in the realm of concepts.

Luckily, even going in July last year we only had 1 crowded bus that we had to stand on and that was coming home after seeing La Nouba.

So, I'm sure we probably seemed rude but that's how it goes.

 

[emh1129]

My children are still small enough to sit on our laps, so we would do that and let an adult sit down.
I don't want my children to be in danger by standing on the bus, just because other people got on the bus when it was already at capacity.

 

[krissylynne]

Sitting on a parents lap is much safer than a small child standing in the aisle. Again, I think the only way to be truly safer is to have seatbelts. That however is not possible. I think if we use good judgement and know what we are doing for our kids is safe then that is all we can do. Just use your judgement if someone is standing before you pull your child into your lap, or if they are big enough to stand. I also truly believe that if we are teaching are kids respect for adults while keeping our kids safe, then there is nothing else we can do. My personnal feeling is if we have a big enough child that can safely stand or sit on your lap if they are small enough, have them do so if someone needs to sit down. I teach my daughter to respect adults and show her respect. No, she can not stand in an aisle, but she can sit in our lap, or we can stand to give them a seat. If someone is going to need a seat, I will get up regardless if we were in line first or not.
Do unto others!!

 

[Mouse House Mama]

I just have to say that I know all about NYC transportation and I don't care if Mickey Mouse himself gave my kids metrocards they would not be standing on a bus. It is not safe just because the school gives out metrocards for them to do it. The schools do many things that I don't think are too "safe" but hey, they are doing the best they can. Sorry to hijack but I had to point this out. Back to our regularly scheduled topic!

 

[taximomfor4]

Please, please, please: NEVER let your children stand on a movie bus, and always make them sit in their own seat (or on the floor). Busses are very dangerous for children. The lower they are, the safer they are. The added risk from sitting a child on a parent's lap is NOT WORTH IT. This is our children we're talking about. Their safety is most important.

Children shouldn't cuss at adults. That's a matter of respect. Children should sit in their own seats. That's a matter of safety.

Wow, where were you when I was taking this stance a couple of months ago? I tried to make this point, and posted rules from several cities' public transport buses. Those actually had rules that, for safety reasons, as soon as a child could sit in a seat unsupported, they MUST BE IN THEIR OWN SEAT.

Personally, I came to that conclusion myself after my dd got hurt (she was 6 yo at the time). DH and I, and oldest dd, all give up our seats if someone needs them...but the littler kids SIT.

 

[bicker]

Maybe at least partly from the fact that up until they're 2 y/o they're allowed to sit in their parents' lap on an airplane.

OMG! Is that it???? That's a crime, since it is well-established that that's the least safe way of transporting an infant on board an aircraft. The fact that they allow it is only due to financial constraints on young families -- that they cannot afford to purchase a seat! In an emergency situation, do you know where on the airplane your child is safest (if not in their own seat, secured in a child-safety seat)? Under the seat in front of you, like your baggage.

 

[momamy]

i have had a few people give up a seat so my 3 year old could sit. My dh never sits unless theres empty seats!

We had a terrifying incident on a disney bus. someone cut in front of our bus and we had to slam on the brakes. A kid about 10 years old got flung to the front of the bus. his poor mom was in tears even tho he was ok! i will not allow my child to stand or even me or dh try to hold onto her standing! shes to precious to take any uneccesarry risks with! i would rather wait for the next bus then endanger my child or someone elses!

and i agree it is very important to teach oiur kids early to respect adults and also to teach them manners. My dd appreciates getting a seat so much i make sure i take the time to explain how nice it was of the person giving up there seat and why its so important to thank them!

Amy

 

[vhoffman]

I don't want my children to be in danger by standing on the bus, just because other people got on the bus when it was already at capacity.

The only problem with that is that sometimes you don't realized the bus is full until after you get on and its started to pull away!

I'm disabled and standing on a moving vehicle would be dangerous. so I don't do it! While at WDW we rent a car or take a taxi. Its just part of the trip costs for us.

I've had people give up their seats for me while waiting in restaurants, etc., and I do appreciate it. However, I've never had an adult ask their child to give me their seat--I wouldn't feel right about that! In general--disabled, pregnant women, elderly being the exception--I don't agree that a child should be expected to give up a seat for any adult who happens to wander by, especially if that adult is healthy. If all the occupied seats were filled with adults, would one able-bodied adult be expected to give up his seat for another able-bodied adult? But how do you know if a person is able-bodied or not? Just because a person looks ok to you, you might not know if they have physical problems that make standing difficult and would rather not give up a seat.

Lets see, about 40+ years ago, and elderly African-American woman was seated on a bus, she was tired coming home from a long day's work, and she failed to show "proper respect" to a white man who demanded she give up her seat. She felt she needed it more. Ha anyone heard anything about this lady? Seems her name pops up every once in a while...........

 

[hezreck]

My DD is 9 and will not be giving up her seat on the busses. She's too big to sit on our laps and too small to stand on a moving bus. I will get up for an elderly person, or pregnant woman or other small children. I will not give up my seat for anyone else. I waited in line just like everyone else. I think Disney should make it a rule that there is no standing on the busses AT ALL!! Sure, they would have to run a few more busses and it might take a little longer to get back to your resort. That is a price I would be willing to pay so everyone gets a seat.

 

[Mickey'snewestfan]

Lets see, about 40+ years ago, and elderly African-American woman was seated on a bus, she was tired coming home from a long day's work, and she failed to show "proper respect" to a white man who demanded she give up her seat. She felt she needed it more. Ha anyone heard anything about this lady? Seems her name pops up every once in a while...........

No, I'm curious. What was her name?

Was this about the same time as Rosa Parks who was a young woman who took a stand, by sitting down, because of her principles, not because she was "tired"?

If you're going to take advantage of someone's story please make sure you get it right!

 

[vhoffman]

No, I'm curious. What was her name?


If you're going to take advantage of someone's story please make sure you get it right!

Ahhh, mea culpa! You're so right--Rosa Parks was a young woman at the time of the incident. She became more newsworthy as she grew older, so I guess she was an elderly woman in my mind. My apologizes to Ms. Parks and all she stood for (or sat for!). How am I "taking advantage" of her story? She didn't give up her seat when it was the expected thing for her to do, as I understand it, because she was tired after a long day's work. She stood up (or sat down) for her principles. I guess she didn't show proper respect for "adults" either!

 

[fakereadhed]

No, I'm curious. What was her name?

Was this about the same time as Rosa Parks who was a young woman who took a stand, by sitting down, because of her principles, not because she was "tired"?

If you're going to take advantage of someone's story please make sure you get it right!

Let's make sure you get it right: she was tired, and therefore chose that day to stand up for herself on principle.

And vhoffman, to compare Rosa Parks to a Disney vacationer...that's almost funny. Almost...

 

[Tosie]

1. We will almost always wait for another bus so we can sit.

2. IF there is a standing issue - dd will sit on my lap and dh will stand, sometimes ds too.

3. Dh (who has MS) will ALWAYS offer his seat to women with kids first (like the ones who carry the baby/toddler and all the bags), then kids, then women (old, young whatever). Ds10 will follow suit. On our last trip I counted SEVEN men sitting comfortably, blabbing away, while we and about 8 other people stood during one bus ride. I can stand so I don't care, but there were at least four small kids standing. Disgusting. No way I believe ALL those men had a disability (except maybe stupidity and selfishness, but I digress....)

 

[Schmeck]

I still don't see why people expect men to stand and offer their seat to women - women have been treated too long like property, or fragile idiots! I find it rather degrading and rude to have a man pull out my chair for me, or hold open a door, or offer me a seat. I'm no fragile flower, and I'm an equal to any man, woman or child, disabled, pregnant, or not. I can take care of myself, and others should make sure they can take care of themselves as well. If you can't stand on a bus ride, then wait for the next bus, get a taxi, or rent a car. It's your choice.

 

[beattyfamily]

I still don't see why people expect men to stand and offer their seat to women - women have been treated too long like property, or fragile idiots! I find it rather degrading and rude to have a man pull out my chair for me, or hold open a door, or offer me a seat. I'm no fragile flower, and I'm an equal to any man, woman or child, disabled, pregnant, or not. I can take care of myself, and others should make sure they can take care of themselves as well. If you can't stand on a bus ride, then wait for the next bus, get a taxi, or rent a car. It's your choice.

Where'd this come from? Has anyone said yet that kids should give up seats for women? I thought it was about kids either sitting on a parent's lap or standing for adults; not only for women. Maybe I missed it??

Either way, I think chivilary is wonderful; not expected, but great when it happens. but that's a whole different thread; not this one.

 

[bicker]

Shivery (the practice of stabbing others) is abhorrent. Chivilary is an archaic artifact of a repressive society. In an enlightened society, we don't have to lie to ourselves about how good we are because we engage in meaningless pleasantries -- we can actually focus on meaningful pleasantries.

 

[beattyfamily]

Shivery (the practice of stabbing others) is abhorrent. Chivilary is an archaic artifact of a repressive society. In an enlightened society, we don't have to lie to ourselves about how good we are because we engage in meaningless pleasantries -- we can actually focus on meaningful pleasantries.

Sorry I spelt it wrong.

It's not what this threads about anyway.