Should I report this bus driver?

[robinb]

My expectation in the future is that a Disney bus driver will enforce the sign on the Disney bus and ask people to move. If there are no seats for them to move to, I will decline the accommodation and wait for the next bus.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

The comment you quoted was about hypothetical people hypothetically not moving had nothing to do with my experience. The people in the seats moved so the scooter could be parked. It was all good once the driver grumbled and asked reluctantly them to move.

Yes I know you were talking in the hypothetical then, that still means a lot for how I think people should be talking about other people, it's about how you see other people and even though I'm still trying to give you the benefit of the doubt it means based on your earlier comment if just one person doesn't move at any point in time in the future you're going to perceive them like you spoke of. For me I just think everyone is at the end of their patience level at that point in time in the Disney day.

My expectation in the future is that a Disney bus driver will enforce the sign on the Disney bus and ask people to move. If there are no seats for them to move to, I will decline the accommodation and wait for the next bus.

Yeah er um but that's not what I meant. It goes back to some early comments on the thread about viewing convenience and all. The expectation is so you know as a generality what is supposed to happen not what you think should happen, sign or no sign. I think a lot of things based on how a sign is, jokes on me half the time

 

[robinb]

Yes I know you were talking in the hypothetical then, that still means a lot for how I think people should be talking about other people, it's about how you see other people and even though I'm still trying to give you the benefit of the doubt it means based on your earlier comment if just one person doesn't move at any point in time in the future you're going to perceive them like you spoke of. For me I just think everyone is at the end of their patience level at that point in time in the Disney day.

Communication is the key when it comes to hypothetical people hypothetically refusing to move. While they are not required to say anything, if someone says, "I'm sorry, I can't climb the stairs to that seat." no harm no foul. I'm not a monster.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Communication is the key when it comes to hypothetical people hypothetically refusing to move. While they are not required to say anything, if someone says, "I'm sorry, I can't climb the stairs to that seat." no harm no foul. I'm not a monster.

You wouldn't know if you're outside the bus and they are in the bus why someone may not move from the seat. I *think* your earlier comment, because you said you didn't care if it was invisible disabilities or not if someone didn't move they were a jerk, was just a response out of annoyance to other people commenting on the thread which is why I tried multiple times to essentially excuse away your more harsher words towards other people rather than taking them at face value that that was how you really viewed people but at the same token that's also why I kept saying how people can be with a Disney, it helps me at least if I assume people are in the same cranky tired disposition as me when I'm done with Disney for the day.

The seats are there for a reason most people get that. What makes this situation tricky, as I mentioned, was that you showed up after the bus is loading hence why I asked some follow up questions to help me understand and why it may help you understand for the future what Disney advises is the process when that happens if you contacted them rather than setting the expectation in your mind that they will just do what you think (by any means here) should do.

 

[robinb]

You wouldn't know if you're outside the bus and they are in the bus why someone may not move from the seat. I *think* your earlier comment, because you said you didn't care if it was invisible disabilities or not if someone didn't move they were a jerk, was just a response out of annoyance to other people commenting on the thread which is why I tried multiple times to essentially excuse away your more harsher words towards other people rather than taking them at face value that that was how you really viewed people but at the same token that's also why I kept saying how people can be with a Disney, it helps me at least if I assume people are in the same cranky tired disposition as me when I'm done with Disney for the day.

The seats are there for a reason most people get that. What makes this situation tricky, as I mentioned, was that you showed up after the bus is loading hence why I asked some follow up questions to help me understand and why it may help you understand for the future what Disney advises is the process when that happens if you contacted them rather than setting the expectation in your mind that they will just do what you think (by any means here) should do.

Then I would expect the bus driver to come back out to me and tell me that a person cannot move to a different seat.

Just curious, have you used a scooter before?

 

[Giraffe_Zen]

That’s a pretty snarky response.

FTR, the reason I “rolled up” 30 minutes after park closing at 11:30 was because we had been stuck on Space Mountain and had to be evacuated. We exited the park as soon as we could.

It was meant nicely, but you can interpret however you wish.

 

[LuvOrlando]

Such a peculiar hill to fight on

On one side, there is a designated seat set aside for and literally labeled for disabled people. This particular seat was designed and is implemented at great expense, to be lifted and moved out of the way alongside complicated machinery so as to accommodate those in scooters or wheelchairs who need the accommodation to allow them to move around safely.

On the other side, people fighting for the right to say no because they just don't want to move and their sympathizers.

This is heated, I never would have imagined such a thing and yet here it is. Paints a very pretty picture

 

[aleria24]

As a scooter user I would NEVER expect someone to move for me. Any time the bus is already loading I expect to wait for the next one, which is what is supposed to happen. I would never presume that my convivence takes precedence when the people loading were there first. They shouldn't have to move so I can board. If the bus is not full and people choose to move, fine but in no way would I ever expect anyone to move for me.

As someone with an invisible disability I would NOT want to be asked to move in their place and be judged when I chose not to go into my medical history as to why I was unable to move. It's frankly no one else's business, and no one should ever feel they have to disclose anything.

 

[robinb]

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[robinb]

As a scooter user I would NEVER expect someone to move for me. Any time the bus is already loading I expect to wait for the next one, which is what is supposed to happen. I would never presume that my convivence takes precedence when the people loading were there first. They shouldn't have to move so I can board. If the bus is not full and people choose to move, fine but in no way would I ever expect anyone to move for me.

Why should someone with a mobility device have to wait when there are seats available for ambulatory guests who walk up at the same time? If you CHOOSE to wait for the next bus rather than riding when Disney will accommodate you as per their signage, that's your prerogative.

 

[aleria24]

Why should someone with a mobility device have to wait when there are seats available for ambulatory guests who walk up at the same time? If you CHOOSE to wait for the next bus rather than riding when Disney will accommodate you as per their signage, that's your prerogative.

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I just don't think its the right thing to do to take a seat from someone who was already waiting when I arrived. If I arrive and a bus is loading, the people getting on that bus were there before me. I don't feel I have any right to make them move, no matter what the signage says. I deserve EQUAL access, not priority treatment. People already resent scooter users because of the entitled behavior that many who use them exhibit. I am choosing not to add to that. Saying you "walked up at the same time" is splitting hairs to me. If the bus is loading, just wait. Don't make people who have already sat down get up and move.

 

[Goldelpack]

I just don't think its the right thing to do to take a seat from someone who was already waiting when I arrived. If I arrive and a bus is loading, the people getting on that bus were there before me. I don't feel I have any right to make them move, no matter what the signage says. I deserve EQUAL access, not priority treatment. People already resent scooter users because of the entitled behavior that many who use them exhibit. I am choosing not to add to that. Saying you "walked up at the same time" is splitting hairs to me. If the bus is loading, just wait. Don't make people who have already sat down get up and move.

As I've mentioned many times in this forum I will gladly wait for the next bus in virtually any circumstance. I'll grab a coffee or popcorn while I remain seated on my scooter and once the bus in question leaves I'll head to the wheelchair box where I'll be first to load next bus. Several things that make my situation unique are 1. I don't usually or regularly travel in groups. 2. If I was with others I have no problem with them boarding a different bus while I wait. 3. I view waiting as part of my overall WDW experience - whether for a bus, a ride, a show, food, or bathroom stall. I'm home. and finally 4. I come here often enough that I never wait for the last minute to get to where I have to go. Planning for transport delays is part of my routine.

While I can't understand why someone would NOT move if there is ample space, I in no way expect that they will move. As I mentioned I've had several experiences where guests aboard the bus didn't want to move their feet out of the path of my scooter as I entered the bus. They didn't need to move (and in my multi-decade experience I've NEVER had anyone refuse to move if there were other available seats) and those that choose to leave their feet planted run the risk of being run over by the scooter. For the most part, at least at the last second, the feet were moved.

This entire thread has taken on an alternate life from reporting a bus driver to a hypothetical what-if someone refuses to move.

 

[maxiesmom]

I just don't think its the right thing to do to take a seat from someone who was already waiting when I arrived. If I arrive and a bus is loading, the people getting on that bus were there before me. I don't feel I have any right to make them move, no matter what the signage says. I deserve EQUAL access, not priority treatment. People already resent scooter users because of the entitled behavior that many who use them exhibit. I am choosing not to add to that. Saying you "walked up at the same time" is splitting hairs to me. If the bus is loading, just wait. Don't make people who have already sat down get up and move.

Equal access is everyone getting on the bus. There are so many more seats for people who are not in scooters that saying someone who needs one of the 2-3 scooter spots should wait is in no way equal access.

I honesty look to the driver for clues. If they wave me forward I scoot forward. If they ignore me, I wait for the next bus. I wouldn't go ask they move someone, though I may think to myself they are being a bit rude. In the scheme of a day at WDW waiting for the bus is a small part. More important things to deal with.

 

[robinb]

Equal access is everyone getting on the bus. There are so many more seats for people who are not in scooters that saying someone who needs one of the 2-3 scooter spots should wait is in no way equal access.

Exactly. The *light bulb* that went off for me is when I realized that if two ambulatory people arrived at the same time I did, they would have merged into the end of the line still outside of the bus and boarded and seated themselves with no pushback from the driver.

I honesty look to the driver for clues. If they wave me forward I scoot forward. If they ignore me, I wait for the next bus. I wouldn't go ask they move someone, though I may think to myself they are being a bit rude. In the scheme of a day at WDW waiting for the bus is a small part. More important things to deal with.

FWIW, I usually don't mind waiting for buses either. Slow transportation comes part and parcel with using a scooter and having an accepting attitude makes my day go easier on me v/s getting upset when I have to wait longer (like when all spots are already taken by mobility devices) or when using the scooter makes things a bigger PITB.

I did ask the bus driver to move the passengers in the scooter area to other seats for two specific reasons: (1) there was only one bus on the route so I would have had to wait for that particular bus to make it back to me. That means that my wait would have been 30-40 minutes instead of the "normal" 15-20 minute wait for the next bus. (2) I could not remember how long the internal buses ran. I was afraid that if my wait was even longer than the 40 minutes (getting me back to the Settlement area after 12:15) that I would miss the last internal bus back to my cabin. Most WL guests rent a golf cart and have their own transportation back to their lodging but I obviously could not do that with a scooter.