Should guns get banned?

[MrsKreamer]

How many people live in the UK?

 

[Mickey's Monkey]

The handgun ban isnt ineffective! Ive never even seen a handgun, I dont know anyone that has and I cant remember any gun crime that has occurred in the area I live. Its impossible to eliminate 100% of guns, there will always be a few illgal ones but thats a hell of a lot better than everyone having one! Those articles are misleading, they imply that there are guns everywhere here and I can assure you thats not the case, as I said I dont know anyone that has even seen one!

Besides myself, I don't personally know anyone that owns a handgun, either. Anectodal evidence proves nothing. The point is, despite any gun ban, people that want guns will get them. The UK is proving that. And if it's you getting shot, why does it matter the number?

 

[wvrevy]

Oh, give me a break with that, MM. Their per capita gun deaths are what....3% of ours ? You're making it out like there's some vast shadowy underground in the UK handing out guns to anybody willing to show that they are a criminal.Since you said it yourself, that anectodal evidence "proves nothing", perhaps you should try providing something a bit more substantial before making ridiculous claims.

 

[Mickey's Monkey]

Oh, give me a break with that, MM. Their per capita gun deaths are what....3% of ours ? You're making it out like there's some vast shadowy underground in the UK handing out guns to anybody willing to show that they are a criminal.Since you said it yourself, that anectodal evidence "proves nothing", perhaps you should try providing something a bit more substantial before making ridiculous claims.

Again, the point is, despite a handgun ban, people are getting handguns. And again, if it's YOU or your wife, or your kids getting shot, does the 3% number really matter?

 

[wvrevy]

Again, the point is, despite a handgun ban, people are getting handguns. And again, if it's YOU or your wife, or your kids getting shot, does the 3% number really matter?

You can't have it both ways. Either anecdotal evidence is admissible for the purpose of the debate, or it isn't. We aren't talking about one life here, or even 3 or 4. We're talking about the cumulative affect that free and easy access to guns has on a society. Would I want to be without one should the need ever arrise ? Of course not. But if they were banned, the odds of ever needing one in the first place are considerably higher.

Your argument is just not logical.

 

[brerrabbit]

As an aside to the discussion the NRA is having their National Meeting/Gun Show/ Pep Rally in Houston starting today through Sunday. I might go by if I have time. Charlie Daniels, Ted Nugent, and Hank Williams Jr. are all playing and the admission is free with your NRA card.

 

[dcentity2000]

Again, the point is, despite a handgun ban, people are getting handguns.

That does not invalidate the point. Why should I make it any easier for a criminal to hurt another human being?



Rich::

 

[hucifer]

It's funny to see this thread a few weeks after the "Ladies, do you own a handgun?" thread. The number of women on the Disboards that own handguns was surprising to me.

All I have to say is, an armed society is a polite society.

 

[dcentity2000]

Very true actually.

Under Mussolini, the trains ever ran on time too

It's actually a very good point



Rich::

 

[hucifer]

Very true actually.

Under Mussolini, the trains ever ran on time too

Oh, Rich.

Psst...wanna see my handgun?

 

[dcentity2000]

Oh, Rich.

Psst...wanna see my handgun?

Inneuendo alert!





Rich::

 

[wvrevy]

All I have to say is, an armed society is a polite society.

You find our society to be a polite one ? You must not have been to Disney during the summer months recently, have you ?

 

[Miss Jasmine]

You find our society to be a polite one ? You must not have been to Disney during the summer months recently, have you ?

Perhaps we should ban strollers instead?

 

[wvrevy]

Perhaps we should ban strollers instead?

I was thinking more of the way your "personal space" tends to shrink right around parade time, but I guess it's the same concept...lol

 

[LoraJ]

Should the average person be banned from having guns? Yes. There is no need for a gun. And the points where people won't be able to defend themselves? Why do you need a gun to defend yourself? There's otherthings that you can do to defend yourself if someone was attacking you.

 

[YepsenCP]

If guns are outlawed, then only the outlaws will have guns...
And the rest of us are left high and dry w/o an equal defense.

 

[Sparx]

If guns are outlawed, then only the outlaws will have guns...
And the rest of us are left high and dry w/o an equal defense.

GUNS do not kill people. PEOPLE kill PEOPLE. If guns kill people, my keyboard misspells words.

 

[Charade]

That does not invalidate the point. Why should I make it any easier for a criminal to hurt another human being?



Rich::

Uh... even with law abiding citizens (or are they called subjects?) being banned from *legally* obtaining handguns, criminals are still able to get them and use them against law abiding citizens. What does that tell you? Do you think it's now a whole lot harder for criminals to get handguns or about the same?

 

[Mickey's Monkey]

You can't have it both ways. Either anecdotal evidence is admissible for the purpose of the debate, or it isn't. We aren't talking about one life here, or even 3 or 4. We're talking about the cumulative affect that free and easy access to guns has on a society. Would I want to be without one should the need ever arrise ? Of course not. But if they were banned, the odds of ever needing one in the first place are considerably higher.

Your argument is just not logical.

Again, drugs are "banned" but that doesn't stop those wanting drugs being able to obtain them. Banning guns will not stop those hell bent on having a gun obtaining one. The UK "ban" proves that. Clearly criminals are obtaining guns in the UK, however anectodal you think that evidence is. Banning guns does not keep them out of the hands of those that are determined to get one and use it.

To say that one that lives in the UK doesn't know anyone that owns a handgun proves that the handgun ban works is patently false. I personally don't know anyone that uses crack. I guess that proves the war on drugs is working, right?

 

[Mickey's Monkey]

That does not invalidate the point. Why should I make it any easier for a criminal to hurt another human being?



Rich::

The criminal doesn't care if there is a handgun ban. That's why they are called criminals. If they want a handgun, they will get a handgun. Ban or no ban. The evidence is patently obvious in the UK.