Should Disney make an effort to stop "saving"?

[Zippa D Doodah]

but at the same time I'm usually at WDW for a vacation not a single day trip. I want to relax.

I think that's what it comes down to for me -and why I don't say much when I see cutting. It's just too darn tiring being the line police.

 

[Matt]

As much of a problem as it can be, trying to enforce it would be a nightmare. I'm more lenient on the parade holding. However, the big group of people trying to cut in line on a ride kinda irks me.

Once we were going into Mickey's Philharmagic. As the doors to the theatre opened, a 20-something girl forced herself pass me bumping me and my 6 yr old daughter. Seriously, I'm pretty mellow until my kids are involved but I didn't say anything. As we approached the rows that we were being corralled too (you know how that place is) the same girl stops in front of me blocking the row and says somewhat curtly "hold on i'm waiting for my friends". I said "Then you should have stayed with them and not ran into my daughter."

That kind of stupidity just annoys me.

 

[JennaTX]

First of all, Happy New Year!

Some of ya'll seem very grumpy about this whole "saving" idea, whether it is in line, a table, etc.

What really surprises me are the people who have said no way, no how, no matter what!

Of course these same people would be complaining about a baby in front of them who had a stinky diaper and it really smelled!! Because if you have the thought of all or nothing, then the poor mom/dad should not be allolwed to exit the line to change a diaper and then return.

Also all of the people who say no cutting in line complain about the two year old who bumps into them while waiting for the line, but you don't want the parent to amuse them somewhere else (which is also a courtesy to the other people in line, trying not to let the child "bother" them), so you complain about that also.

I am just glad that when I am lucky enough to go to WDW, I am happy to be there, I don't stand around complaining about what other people do (I am having too much fun), and I have the manners to say to the other people around me, no problem if you need to use the restroom.

 

[Matt]

Jenna, can you find me a quote of someone saying they have a problem with people letting a parent go change a diaper? Because it looks like to me that you are using a ridiculous example to make your point.

Most people seemed to complain about one or two people in line holding a spot in line for a huge group.

Then you go on saying the following:

Also all of the people who say no cutting in line complain about the two year old who bumps into them while waiting for the line, but you don't want the parent to amuse them somewhere else (which is also a courtesy to the other people in line, trying not to let the child "bother" them), so you complain about that also.

I mean, that's just absurd. If you can't make a point without absurdity, then why bother?

You're the designated line holder for your group of 20 aren't you?

 

[The Sweetness]

I agree with some of what the OP has said, but there are a couple of practices that I have no problem with. haven't read the whole thread, so excuse me if some of this is repetitious.



2) Saving seats for a parade. I can't see one person saving a whole big chunk of curb. That seems a tad inconsiderate, but not enough to ruffle my feathers. My personal MO is "1 person can occupy 2 spaces". So, for our family of four, one adult and one child will save a spot for a parade or show while other adult and child go shop, ride, or hug a character.

I have done this every time Ive taken my dd now 14, to WDW. I absolutely spread out my stuff, and my big but, enough to save room for my dh and dd. As far as Im concerned, its just plain good strategy. I can count on one hand however, the # of times that Ive stayed there on the curb or bench, instead of letting someones shorty get in front of me. After all, that kid wants to see a parade, not my 200lb but

 

[SueM in MN]

I do have to agree that the waiting corrals for many of the newer attractions are just too dang wide for one or two people to stop line slitherers.

That's because they made the "waiting corrals" wide enough for wheelchairs to fit.
The hardest part for us is when we get to a corner and have left enough space for DD's wheelchair to make the turn, someone inevitably sees that "empty space" and moves their party into it.

 

[WillCAD]

I'm not a parade person, but I'll have to go along with The Sweetness - 1 person can save a spot for one other, which makes it perfectly possible for one parent to take one kid for a bathroom break or diaper change while the other parent holds their spots.

Group size makes a difference, however. If you have a party of 12, and half the party (6 people) decides to take a bathroom break while the other half (6 people) hold their places - that means that 6 people would be barging their way through the line or crowd to re-join their party. No way - if Mom has to take one kid out to the bathroom, fine, but no more than that.

And the Brazillian tour groups need to learn that stampeding into an attraction like a herd of buffalo to join a single placeholder person is NOT permitted by the park rules.

I do eat in an awful lot of counter service places, both at WDW and at home. I have no problem whatsoever with one person holding an entire 4-person or 6-person table for the rest of the group.

 

[bytheblood]

Umm, sorry, I'd much rather have a Mom and kids wait at a table while Dad gets food, rather than try step around them while I'm carrying my tray, or have them all crowded around the order/pick up stations. I also park my Mom in her wheelcair at a table while I go get food, it would be next to impossible otherwise to handle food AND push her at the same time. Not every table is w/c accessible, if I see one, I take it.

Yep, I agree.

 

[bytheblood]

The only thing in the whole thread I disagree with. Didn't Walt himself say it's for children of all ages?

Yep, Disney is for EVERYONE. And if it is just for kids, why is the OP of that comment going? Just a question.

 

[stacy6552]

I realize that some people do abuse the tolerance of us all, however, you just can't make judgements about these things. Maybe there was a potty emergency or something else. You just never know.

 

[dzneprincess]

Because some people just aren't happy to be happy....

 

[lillygator]

Can you save a seat at a show? YES
Can one person save a block of seat for a parade? NO
Can you save a place in line for your cheerleading team? NO
Can you save a place for the team at the bus stop? NO
Can you save a table for 20 minutes (while your DH is way in the back of a long line) while people with food walk around looking for a seat? NO

Ok - I will always be at a table with two DD's under the age of 4 saving a table while DH is in line. It doesn't happen too often as we prefer to be waited on. SO you take you whole family in line with you while at the counter service?

Why is it ok to save a seat for the "show" but not for the parade? Kind of contradicting yourself there.

 

[lillygator]

Group size makes a difference, however. If you have a party of 12, and half the party (6 people) decides to take a bathroom break while the other half (6 people) hold their places - that means that 6 people would be barging their way through the line or crowd to re-join their party. No way - if Mom has to take one kid out to the bathroom, fine, but no more than that.

So mom can only take one child at a time to the potty? Not very fair (well depending on the ages) I mean I struggle taking both my girls at the same time alone.

 

[salmoneous]

So mom can only take one child at a time to the potty? Not very fair (well depending on the ages) I mean I struggle taking both my girls at the same time alone.

Of course you can take both girls at the same time to the potty. Just don't expect people to hold a place in line for all 3 of you.

 

[Markstudy]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Markstudy
Can you save a seat at a show? YES
Can one person save a block of seat for a parade? NO
Can you save a place in line for your cheerleading team? NO
Can you save a place for the team at the bus stop? NO
Can you save a table for 20 minutes (while your DH is way in the back of a long line) while people with food walk around looking for a seat? NO

Ok - I will always be at a table with two DD's under the age of 4 saving a table while DH is in line. It doesn't happen too often as we prefer to be waited on. SO you take you whole family in line with you while at the counter service?

Why is it ok to save a seat for the "show" but not for the parade? Kind of contradicting yourself there.

If you didn't read the entire thread... I don't blame you Its gotten quite long. But I clearly stated, that my interest is to get a debate going on this topic..and I mentioned that I don't need people to agree with me or think I'm right or wrong....( I am often wrong). I just wanted to learn more by listening to other peoples experiances. So view those 6 starter questions as more a way to get this thread started into a discusion. (personaly I will form my opinions after I read everyones advice, best way to learn )

I am very happy to see this thread has been viewed all most 3,000 times.

 

[lillygator]

Good for you for starting a "debate"...but to start a debate to better make your own choices?? Not sure about that!!


I'll take both girls to the restroom and DH will save our spot. If people have problems with that - that's their issue. I really could care less...if we have been sitting on a curb for an hour and DD has to go potty and I need to change the baby - then I am sure as blank going to take both of them and do it while my wonderful DH saves our spot......... so don't dream of schooing in.....

I'll also sit at a table (CS) and save the table til DH is done in line. It's not like I brought in a cooler for goodness sake....I am spending money at the establishment....




AND for the record....I have been going to WDW almost every other month since I was itty bitty....I have run in to rude people here and there, but have never had the problems people go on and on about on these boards.

 

[disneyfreakjackie]

Well we are guilty of this. We can spend up to 15 minutes just looking for a table and when I finally see an empty one I'm grabbing it and plopping my four kiddos down with dad so I can get in line to order.

There is no way I'm waiting in line and then stand around for 15 minutes looking for a table with my arms filled with food and hungry kids.

 

[ujpest_doza]

It seems that there are often promblems with "saving places" for someone.

It is up to us?

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If three family members try to cut in-line in front of me, by telling me their mom is up front..... I give them a choice

1) your mother can move backwards in line to you, but you are not going in front of me, since I have been waiting my turn.

2) you will see your mom again at the end of the ride. Next time...arive together if you want to ride together.

It takes all of us to put our foot down about this "saving" stuff. The rude will always test the meek.
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Disney Post some signs/rules! "No Saving line spots" Make it clear.

Can you save a seat at a show? YES
Can one person save a block of seat for a parade? NO
Can you save a place in line for your cheerleading team? NO
Can you save a place for the team at the bus stop? NO
Can you save a table for 20 minutes (while your DH is way in the back of a long line) while people with food walk around looking for a seat? NO

Is Disney too nice? Rewarding the bad behavior?
Do nice people allow this to go on simply by not speaking up?

Some times I feel like Clint Eastwood...I just look at them with my "GO AHEAD PUNK, MAKE MY DAY" look, and most of the savers back-down before I can say anything

But I still need the crowd to back me up...when I stand up to the "rude"

I agree with every word of that, especially the bit about saving tables when there are people walking around with food that is going cold because all the tables are being saved for people who are no where near the front of the queue for food in the first place.

I have also moved forward and made others wanting to join other move back and got thanked for it as well on RnR. This was because it was an obnoxious and loud group of teenaged boys wanting to move forward and join an equally loud and obnoxious bunch teenage girls and in order to join them they wanted to go in front of me (by myself on a baby swap), a very quiet family and 2 quiet teenaged girls who some unpleasent people would refer to as class geeks. The 2 young girls approached me at the end of the ride and thanked for me not letting the large group of loud teenagers on in front of them.

 

[PrincessPatty]

While at Columbia Harbor House this past trip, it was packed. They had to stop people from coming in and then would send you to a line to stand in, the CM was telling others in the line to find a table and sit to wait for their family. I was pretty shocked to hear her say that.

And on another note, there was a family of like 20 who cut in line at Stitch, and the CM saw it and didnt say a word to them, I was discusted!