Should churches change security in wake of recent events?

[LYSE]

Ok so that’s my point then. High capacity magazine rifles CAN inflict more harm faster than handguns or less capacity rifles typically used in hunting. So why does anyone need that?!

See my previous posts.

Summary: multiple attackers IE riots,looters, home invasion, general civil unrest

 

[Geoff_M]

Ok so that’s my point then. High capacity magazine rifles CAN inflict more harm faster than handguns or less capacity rifles typically used in hunting. So why does anyone need that?!

I give you exhibit "A" from earlier this year: Oklahoma Man Uses AR-15 to Kill Three Teen Home Intruders

I'm not about to tell that guy "Sorry, you can only own a 10-round magazine!"

 

[Gumbo4x4]

Reloading wasn't necessarily what I was referring to. A handgun is typically used in closer fashion. You aren't using a handgun for instance while up on the 32nd floor of Mandalay Bay to shoot down upon people. While he did have a handgun that's not what he used to inflict the large amount of damage that he did.

The shooter in TX used a Ruger AR-556 rifle. I couldn't say for sure but the damage may not have been as much if a handgun was used.

That's more or less what my statement was about in regards to saying "Guns kill with far more efficiency than cars" The type of vehicle being used can have a direct impact on the amount of damage inflicted.

ETA: I do appreciate your information you put in

I don't believe a handgun would have inflicted less damage in the church. In Vegas, yes. Definitely.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

All the shootings have one thing in common, high capacity removable magazines, which have no legitimate purpose for the general public. Just a thought where we could start. California has tried to ban them all but a judge stepped in and removed the ban.

My husband and I were talking about this on Saturday. There are certain things that we do not see a purpose for in the general sense. We talked about bumpstocks, etc That aspect I do understand when it's talked about for stricter control as it's thinking about what usage would one need for x,y,z and we were talking about that 'just cuz' isn't necessarily a good enough reason to keep something legal or keep something too easy to come by.

 

[LSUmiss]

Competition shooting often utilizes magazines beyond 10 rounds, home defense against multiple attackers is rare but does happen + natural disasters as stated above.

Wow! I live in one of the highest crime cities in the country & I don’t expect to have to defend against multiple attacker short of 15 or 16 shots in a semi-auto handgun. Good luck with that!

 

[sam_gordon]

No, but right to life, LIBERTY, & property are. It restricts their civil liberty without due process.

The method of transportation is not a right. You do not have a right to fly.

 

[LSUmiss]

It's not an "all or nothing" proposition. The "illogics" also works in both directions. Closing the often-misrepresented "gun show loophole" also suffers from the same flaw because the venue isn't the crux of the issue as private sales can happen anywhere.

No I get that. I was only using that as an example. But, I also think private sales should be more regulated.

 

[cabanafrau]

Because the original one turned out to be unconfirmed (may be that of someone with a similar name or possibly an older picture of the perp at a younger age).

The updated one is confirmed and recent. And shows a beard, which is notable given emerging reports of him being a recent convert to Islam.

It appears that one of the people who confronted the gunman and gave chase has a beard as well. Surely that must be significant.

 

[LSUmiss]

The method of transportation is not a right. You do not have a right to fly.

So it’s not a liberty? So neither is leaving your house under that logic. So we can just say “these ppl” have to stay in their homes without due process??

 

[LYSE]

Wow! I live in one of the highest crime cities in the country & I don’t expect to have to defend against multiple attacker short of 15 or 16 shots in a semi-auto handgun. Good luck with that!

LOL 15 or 16 rounds in a handgun is considered "high capacity" by most people who use that term, but based off your comment I'm assuming you mean what? The 30 round magazines that are standard with AR15's? If you don't see how a 30 round would be useful when there are riots going on I can't really help you.

So it’s not a liberty? So neither is leaving your house under that logic. So we can just say “these ppl” have to stay in their homes without due process??

You struggle to understand how rights work and what is a protected civil right in our country and what isn't ..so again I can't help you.

 

[wonder whisper]

I agree. It's despicable to post the photos of the killer's wives and does nothing but stir the pot.

Then why aren't you self-righteous people contacting the Guardian, New York Times, CNN and ABC and complaining to them about their posting photos of not only the wives but also the killers' ex-girlfriends?

 

[wonder whisper]

It appears that one of the people who confronted the gunman and gave chase has a beard as well. Surely that must be significant.

No, because there are no emerging reports of what his religious faith (if any) is.

 

[wvjules]

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

We are missing the "well regulated" part of the second amendment. What we have is far from well regulated. Everyone should have to apply for a license for a firearm whether they buy from a private owner or from a store. There should be a federal registry of those that are approved to get a license and also a list of those on the "no buy" list. There needs to be federal minimum regulations (no assault weapons, silencers, bump stocks, etc.) If the problem is mental illness, as so many adamant second amendment supporters suggest (guns dont' kill people, people kill people), then there needs to be periodic mental evaluations of licensed gun owners.

Will it stop all mass murders? Of course not. But it is a start and is doing something. You would think that the law abiding gun owners would want regulations.

Also, when did the "militia" part of the second amendment get glossed over? Every Tom, Dick and Harry surely don't belong to a Militia.

 

[LYSE]

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

We are missing the "well regulated" part of the second amendment. What we have is far from well regulated. Everyone should have to apply for a license for a firearm whether they buy from a private owner or from a store. There should be a federal registry of those that are approved to get a license and also a list of those on the "no buy" list. There needs to be federal minimum regulations (no assault weapons, silencers, bump stocks, etc.) If the problem is mental illness, as so many adamant second amendment supporters suggest (guns dont' kill people, people kill people), then there needs to be periodic mental evaluations of licensed gun owners.

Will it stop all mass murders? Of course not. But it is a start and is doing something. You would think that the law abiding gun owners would want regulations.

Well regulated meant in working order at the time the 2a was written, it doesn't mean what you think it means.

Look it up.

 

[cabanafrau]

No, because there are no emerging reports of what his religious faith (if any) is.

Surely all it takes for reports to emerge are nebulous, unnamed sources -- sort of like the old game of telephone. Seems like a good enough basis to start forming an opinion.

 

[wonder whisper]

You posted a picture of a bearded individual, claiming he was the shooter AND (very important AND) that he was a recent Muslim convert.

You intentionally misquoted me, removing the words " there are emerging reports that"
So your post is "fake news."

 

[Gumbo4x4]

Wow! I live in one of the highest crime cities in the country & I don’t expect to have to defend against multiple attacker short of 15 or 16 shots in a semi-auto handgun. Good luck with that!

Do you really think there would be a significant change in the outcome with 17 round magazines vs 30 round magazines? The shooters in Sandy Hook and Pulse reloaded over & over & over. In fact, most of the discarded magazines at Sandy hook still had numerous live rounds in them.

 

[DopeyDame]

Flying is not a right.

I realize that's what people say these days to justify the invasive search and seizures happening at TSA checkpoints, but freedom of movement is, in fact, a right.
"But a specific form of movement isn't a right" you say.
OK, then, if the right to bare arms is a right, but a SPECIFIC type of arms isn't a right, how about we say that everyone can have sling shots, but that's it.

 

[Gumbo4x4]

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

We are missing the "well regulated" part of the second amendment. What we have is far from well regulated. Everyone should have to apply for a license for a firearm whether they buy from a private owner or from a store. There should be a federal registry of those that are approved to get a license and also a list of those on the "no buy" list. There needs to be federal minimum regulations (no assault weapons, silencers, bump stocks, etc.) If the problem is mental illness, as so many adamant second amendment supporters suggest (guns dont' kill people, people kill people), then there needs to be periodic mental evaluations of licensed gun owners.

Will it stop all mass murders? Of course not. But it is a start and is doing something. You would think that the law abiding gun owners would want regulations.

Also, when did the "militia" part of the second amendment get glossed over? Every Tom, Dick and Harry surely don't belong to a Militia.

If you believe in stricter gun control, that is absolutely your right. But, please do not use your very incorrect interpretation of the 2nd amendment as your argument.

 

[sam_gordon]

So it’s not a liberty? So neither is leaving your house under that logic. So we can just say “these ppl” have to stay in their homes without due process??

You have the right to travel (or at least as long as that right isn't taken away from you). What you don't have the RIGHT to is determining HOW you travel.