Should cast members be paid more?

Seriously. I want to know. If I'm working 8 hours a day, 6 days a week, and sleep for 8 hours, when can I go get an education to get myself one of these fancy guaranteed degree jobs?

Yeah. Need to walk away now.

you don't always get to sleep 8 hours!!!

Seriously tho it can be done, I did it. And I was in a major (nursing) that had inflexible classes, back then hospital rotations were all during the day. so I went during the day, then got to my 4-12 job, drove home, slept a bit and was back in for morning classes. Weekends were studying and doing things that had to get done like laundry.
 
The complaints about Disney wages have occurred in good times and in bad. The economy just gives it a platform.

Disney has always been notorious for being a poor payer at all levels! It isn't just the entry level folks,they don't pay well at the middle levels either. It didn't pay well 25 yrs ago when a friend went down to work for them at a managers level.

they don't pay their entry level college graduates well either. My nephew was offered a job in the business office when he graduated and he turned it down due to the pay.
 
Disney has always been notorious for being a poor payer at all levels! It isn't just the entry level folks,they don't pay well at the middle levels either. It didn't pay well 25 yrs ago when a friend went down to work for them at a managers level.

they don't pay their entry level college graduates well either. My nephew was offered a job in the business office when he graduated and he turned it down due to the pay.

Probably true. My cousin is salaried there--loves her job...it is her dream job. She actually travels for it and has been working on launching these new cruise lines...she is in marketing. Anyway--she's not there to get wealthy. But she is also a glass is half full kind of gal and busted her butt for the privilege of getting her dream job. She worked at Orlando Ballet while waiting to be hired.
 
I REALLY don't think anyone is asking for Utopia here.


Expecting society to change it's values, adopt a different lifestyle, and becoming responsible for the difficulties cast members have to deal with does sound an awful like Utopia.
Utopia is a name for an ideal community or society possessing a perfect socio-politico-legal system.(wiki)
Utopia-an impractical scheme for social improvement(merriam webster)

And if that's too cold and heartless, then we as a society have to change our values, and adopt a different type of society, rather than try to avoid our responsibility for the troubles of these folks, by trying to foist responsibility onto others, such as businesses or government.

We - all of us in this society, collectively - are responsible for the difficulties these folks have to deal with.
 

...I wish I knew all the figures---but it is mind blowing when you sit down and scale a small request company-wide....

This is why I always advise young people to look for jobs they want in industries with very high revenue per employee. If you work for a $40 billion company with 100,000 they have to be very careful about employee expenses. On the other hand, if you work for a $40 billion company with only 4,000 employees, increases in employee benefits don't impact the bottom line as much. I haven't ever done a real study, but my personal experience is that high revenue per employee companies tend to pay better, provide better benefits and treat their employees better...at least the good ones.
 
Disney has about 50,000 employees at Disney. Some are full time and others are part time. Lets use 20 hours average per employee per work week. That is 1 million work hours per week. There are 52 work weeks per year or 52 million work hours per year. If you raised everybody's salary by $1 that increases the salary by $52,000,000 + FICA and all the other expenses that are tied to salary.
 
The figures you presented above can't be taken at face value though - at least not in terms of a "living wage".. In reality, a "living wage" is what you actually bring home after taxes are taken out, SS, health ins. premiums, etc.. So the $9.61, $14.42, and $19.23 are going to be considerably less after deductions..

Based on what many posters here have said over the past year or two - in regards to employment possibilities in the Orlando area - it doesn't sound like there's an overabundance of jobs.. And as another poster pointed out, Disney is the largest employer - second only to Publix.. Housing has tanked, so people can't just sell their homes and move elsewhere - so it seems that there aren't an awful lot of options for people - which is probably why they had to take these jobs to begin with..

It seems to me that Disney expects an awful lot out of their employees - for the low wages they receive.. I think I have a better understanding now of why it's so difficult for some CM's to be happy, smiling, and cordial every minute of their work shift.. Financial issues can really wear a person down..:(

But, again I ask, how much should you pay a position that really doesn't require a lot of skill? Every person making X in salary has to pay taxes, insurance and the like. It's nothing limited to Disney employees or lower income familes. In many cases, the lower income wage earners get many tax and other financial breaks that those even in the middle class dont.

A living wage to 1 CM may be a lot more or less than another. It's not up to Disney to pay a "living" wage to every employee. Sure, it might be nice if Disney started them out at $8 instead instead of $7.25 and gave them bigger raises (although for the record, neither I or my wife have had a pay increase since 2008) but at the end of the day, I dont think most of you feeling that they need a "living" wage would think that even at $9/$10/$12 an hour that would suffice.

As long as their wages are equal to what others in the theme park industry (especially in Central Florida) are making, then I dont feel Disney is doing anything wrong.
 
A lot of CMs at WDW are not members of the union, but are paid under the same benefit structure. I wouldn't say that most of the CMs were thrilled with the prior agreement. In fact, they don't have a lot of say in things. The union negotiators work out the deal and they live with it. They need their jobs...especially now when the unemployment rate in the Orlando area is very high.

I was a WDW CM. I did not join the union because the cost of the union dues from my paycheck was too high. When you're only making minimum wage, it's difficult to give any of it up. Of course, most CMs at WDW are part time employees. That isn't by choice. It's hard to become a full time CM. Disney prefers to keep most of the CMs in the part time category.

Part time CMs do not receive all of the benefits of the full time employees. They don't get any paid vacation or sick leave. They can purchase some health care benefits, but it is very little and expensive. Heath care benefits for full time CMs are much better, but it is about $60 a week for an individual. Remember, even full time CMs make minimum wage or a little higher. Only managers and above are in salaried positions.

I was a part time CM and originally signed up to work two days a week. I was scheduled for five days a week much of the time. When you sign on, you get to specify two days a week for which they cannot schedule you. Those were the only days they did not schedule me. They always needed people to work and would pressure you to work. Of course, you could not call in sick or take a personal day without getting a point. After working a 40 hour week, I normally netted about $235.00. I did not have anything taken from my check other than taxes. CMs who have union dues and/or health insurance taken from their checks net much less.

I know many WDW CMs who work two to three jobs to survive. Many families share homes with other families because they cannot afford a home on just their pay. I know one woman who is diabetic and often goes without her medication because she cannot afford it. She helps support her daughter (also a CM) and grandchildren.

Of course, there are many people in jobs, other than CMs, who make terrible money and have a hard time getting by. CMs are not the only people struggling in this country, but it is a little hard to watch when you see the amount of money that goes into Disney's pockets on a daily basis. Being in a vacation area, where people throw money around like water, is difficult to swallow when you are one of those struggling to just survive. Fortunately, that is not my situation and I no longer work for Disney. It is hard to watch many wonderful people I have met, since I moved to Orlando, who do work for Disney and lead such difficult lives. But, as another poster pointed out, the situation will not change as long as their are so many people who desperately need work. Another factor that keeps the pay low is the availability Disney has to college program CMs. They hire these kids for short periods of time and work them long, long hours. Then, they turn around and charge them rent. It's a great deal for Disney. They get loads of cheap labor and the majority of what they pay the labor goes back in their pocket. Can't beat that deal. No need to hire more expensive labor when this pool never ends.

Interesting post.
. The Mouse Tales books on life behind the scenes at Disneyland talk about how so many CM out here in California take jobs at the Magic Kingdom during high school and college, and never leave because the pay and benefits are so good. Of course, those books were published in 1994 and 1999 so things certain could have changed.
 
My son is a FT CM living on his own in an income restricted apt
It is a tiny studio, but he is happy
It has 3 big closets and a nice kitchen and small bath
He also has a car payment, ins, and calble bill
He mannges to pay all his bills, has NEVER been late with of his bills
he also buys all his own food
He is a 4 year CM and makes less that $8 an hour
The only thing he does differnet is he works 6 days a week

If you ask me, that is exactly whats Disney wants. Someone with really low standards, no drive to better themselves, yet can complete small simple tasks.

I'm not trying to sound rude, but that sounds like torture. Does he have any savings? Can he afford a vacation if he wants?

At age 17 I was working at a Chevy's(mexican chain restaurant) and averaged $70-80 most week nights, and a little over $100 on weekends. I'll guess $400ish a week in tips, so a little over 20K a year. That was fine for in high school, living at home.

I can't imagine 4 years, working 6 days a week to barely get by.
 
These people made a decision to work for a company that has been known for their low pay and long hours. I feel for the employees but I do not feel responsible.
Sorry but Utopia does not exist.

Who is asking for utopia just a little less of the I'm all right Jack attitude. Not everyone has the mental abilities to go to university and from what I am reading if you can't get an above minimum wage job then you don't have the right to marry because if you can't afford to live on that tough. As for getting second and third jobs does disney even allow that? Over here taking a second job can loose you your main job as employers don't like that at all. Then look at the theme park board all the moans because cast members are not happy all the time how dare they? After all they do get some money from disney. Mind you after the way Walt Disney treated his animators I am not supprised.
 
Who is asking for utopia just a little less of the I'm all right Jack attitude. Not everyone has the mental abilities to go to university and from what I am reading if you can't get an above minimum wage job then you don't have the right to marry because if you can't afford to live on that tough. As for getting second and third jobs does disney even allow that? Over here taking a second job can loose you your main job as employers don't like that at all. Then look at the theme park board all the moans because cast members are not happy all the time how dare they? After all they do get some money from disney. Mind you after the way Walt Disney treated his animators I am not supprised.



I can't speak for the theme park, but for the Vero Beach resort, there was no such policy officially or unofficially that I was aware. Florida is also a right to work state, so short of a non-compete clause, I don't think there is an official policy banning it. That isn't to say that a scheduling supervisor would make it easy to accomodate your work schedule elsewhere.

(again, commenting as a former CM at Vero Beach!)
 
And what has your son done in the 4 years to better himself? and make him employable for a higher wage? Is he going to college? Is he volunteering for any extra experience and assignments within Disney that he can?

If he is doing an unskilled job he is going to get unskilled wages no matter how long he is in the job. And honestly why shouldn't he?


Maybe I should have explained
He is a 2 time brain tumor suvior and a 2 stroke suvior and a blood vessel leakage suvior
I thought he would have to live with us for the rest of his life
But Disney with the insurance and pay has allowed him to be independent
 
I'm not privy to Disney's finances, so I'm not sure what they can or can not afford. However, Years ago I read a book by the guys who started Ben & Jerry's. They way they used to do it, is entry level would make X amount of dollars. The next level up (supervisor) would make no more than (I believe) 3 times entry level. The Manager would make no more than 3 times what the supervisor made. The VP would make no more than 3X what the manager made, and the president would make no more than 3x what the VP would make. There may have been other levels in there, but you get the idea. Ever since then I've looked at businesses with that type of scale. If there's a huge difference between what one level is making to the next level I consider it corporate greed.
As do I.

I believe it was Japan that once had a law that restricted CEO pay, with bonuses, to no more than 20x the lowest salary in the company. That seems like an equitable approach within a company, but you would probably lose your best executives to companies not held to those same restrictions.
Not if every company operated under the same law like Japan does. Then it would come down to which company offered the better, more intellectually challenging, working environment - as it should.

These people made a decision to work for a company that has been known for their low pay and long hours. I feel for the employees but I do not feel responsible. Sorry but Utopia does not exist.
When the choice is no food, clothing or shelter then yes, those people made a decision to work. Unfortunately, because of the economic climate and Disney's decision to take advantage of high unemployment rate, these people didn't have any choice to take a better job. This was it. Disney or a supermarket, which is also taking advantage of the human need to have food, clothing and shelter.

This is why I'm comparing what's happening today with what happened in the 30's and was depicted in Steinbeck's The Grapes of Wrath. Landowners offering work at .25 cents an hour but getting rid of the .25 cent an hour workers when hungrier people started coming and would take .20 cents an hour. Then getting rid of those hungry people when they found even hungrier people (with starving families) that would do the same work for .15 cents an hour.

You may be able to dismiss it with an "I don't feel responsible. It's their problem, not mine. They should have done (X) to better themselves" today. But guess whose house and car will be broken into when enough people are starving and roaming the country looking for food, clothing and shelter? Hint: It ain't gonna be the people who are in the same situation as those people are. You may be a "have" now and look loftily down on the "have nots", but when faced with a 'steal or die' crowd that has nothing to lose but a miserable life, you won't be a "have" for very long.

I read an article yesterday where one of the comments was that we should outsource our CEO jobs just as we outsource the lower jobs. I thought that would be an interesting idea and would love to see how it would work out. Most people in the American workforce couldn't cope with actually working the way other countries perform.

Personally I advocate the idea of capping upper management wages to no more than 10X the amount of the lowest wage offered at the company. If a countrywide law states that CEO's and their entourages could only top out at $150K per year including perks and stock options, and it applied to any business no matter what that business does, I believe we'd start to see some changes in how the bottom level is paid and treated.

We might even see a return of our middle class. We'd definitely see more taxes coming in to benefit the country as a whole, that's for sure!
 
Maybe I should have explained
He is a 2 time brain tumor suvior and a 2 stroke suvior and a blood vessel leakage suvior
I thought he would have to live with us for the rest of his life
But Disney with the insurance and pay has allowed him to be independent

Then that is absolutely wonderful!! I'm very happy for you and your son.

In the context of this thread I had to go on how you couldn't live on minimum wage and that Disney doesn't pay enough. Yes I think it would have helped if you had added that.


Her son is a good reason for keeping the min. wage where it is because if they had to pay a lot more places would not be able to offer opportunities to people like this.
 
Personally I advocate the idea of capping upper management wages to no more than 10X the amount of the lowest wage offered at the company. If a countrywide law states that CEO's and their entourages could only top out at $150K per year including perks and stock options, and it applied to any business no matter what that business does, I believe we'd start to see some changes in how the bottom level is paid and treated.

I'm all for limiting CEO pay, but $150K is well too low and would never ever get passed or even get a worth while discussion going. There are many people in non-CEO jobs that make nearly $150K if not more.

You would probably need to look at the low million's before it would even start the discussion.
 
As do I.

When the choice is no food, clothing or shelter then yes, those people made a decision to work. Unfortunately, because of the economic climate and Disney's decision to take advantage of high unemployment rate, these people didn't have any choice to take a better job. This was it. Disney or a supermarket, which is also taking advantage of the human need to have food, clothing and shelter.

This is why I'm comparing what's happening today with what happened in the 30's and was depicted in Steinbeck's The Grapes of Wrath. Landowners offering work at .25 cents an hour but getting rid of the .25 cent an hour workers when hungrier people started coming and would take .20 cents an hour. Then getting rid of those hungry people when they found even hungrier people (with starving families) that would do the same work for .15 cents an hour.

You may be able to dismiss it with an "I don't feel responsible. It's their problem, not mine. They should have done (X) to better themselves" today. But guess whose house and car will be broken into when enough people are starving and roaming the country looking for food, clothing and shelter? Hint: It ain't gonna be the people who are in the same situation as those people are. You may be a "have" now and look loftily down on the "have nots", but when faced with a 'steal or die' crowd that has nothing to lose but a miserable life, you won't be a "have" for very long.

I read an article yesterday where one of the comments was that we should outsource our CEO jobs just as we outsource the lower jobs. I thought that would be an interesting idea and would love to see how it would work out. Most people in the American workforce couldn't cope with actually working the way other countries perform.

Personally I advocate the idea of capping upper management wages to no more than 10X the amount of the lowest wage offered at the company. If a countrywide law states that CEO's and their entourages could only top out at $150K per year including perks and stock options, and it applied to any business no matter what that business does, I believe we'd start to see some changes in how the bottom level is paid and treated.

We might even see a return of our middle class. We'd definitely see more taxes coming in to benefit the country as a whole, that's for sure!

1. I was not posting only about recent Disney hirees but historically Disney has had low wages and high demands even in a good economy.

2. We live in a capitalist society. While I do think some CEO salaries are ridiculous, I still believe in a company's right to pay that salary. $150000 is a joke for a CEO. College professors in our town make that.
 
Personally I advocate the idea of capping upper management wages to no more than 10X the amount of the lowest wage offered at the company. If a countrywide law states that CEO's and their entourages could only top out at $150K per year including perks and stock options, and it applied to any business no matter what that business does, I believe we'd start to see some changes in how the bottom level is paid and treated.

Seriously??? I make over 60K at my entry level job with just a BS degree, so you think a CEO should only be able to make a little over twice what I do? If the U.S. did that I would seriously start looking to see about moving to another country without such a law. Other countries would then get a HUGE influx of the best workers and companies in the U.S. would leave even faster then they are now so that they are where the best workers are.
 
1. I was not posting only about recent Disney hirees but historically Disney has had low wages and high demands even in a good economy.

2. We live in a capitalist society. While I do think some CEO salaries are ridiculous, I still believe in a company's right to pay that salary. $150000 is a joke for a CEO. College professors in our town make that.
Then perhaps if they want to make $300K a year, their lowest level employees should be making at least $30K a year. Ditto for $500K, $750K and on up.

And we don't live in a capitalist society. We haven't lived in an actual capitalist society for a long time. When the first tax breaks were offered to businesses, that's when Capitalism died.

I say that the Government missed a bet. Anyone who wanted to be bailed out n 2008 should have had to be made to agree to adhere to the Japanese model where the CEOs and top executives would no longer be allowed to make more than X amount of their lowest-paid employee in perpetuum. If they disagreed with that condition of being bailed out, then they could work out their company troubles on their own. Maybe get the shareholders that they value so much to loan them the bucks.

IMO, all these companies who got bailed out at taxpayer expense were no longer capitalists. They became socialists the minute they received money from the Government. They should now work for the benefit of the people rather than the benefit of the executives and shareholders.

But that's just my opinion. Everyone's got one.
 
Seriously. I want to know. If I'm working 8 hours a day, 6 days a week, and sleep for 8 hours, when can I go get an education to get myself one of these fancy guaranteed degree jobs?

During the OTHER 8 hours of the day. You work for 8, you sleep for 8, that leaves 8. I got a Master's Degree working two jobs plus tutoring, so yeah ... it can be done. Took me an extra semester, but I did it. A lot of people do. It's all in the priorities you set for yourself.

What are you doing in those other 8 hours now? You're doing chores, hanging with friends, watching TV, etc. So for a couple of years -- because it's not forever -- you decide that you're going to use that time differently and get an education. Yes -- you'll have to give some things up. You may not be able to go out as much, you may not be able to spend a day at the beach or veg in front of the TV for an evening. But if it's important to you, then you make the short-term sacrifice for the long term benefit.

:earsboy:
 


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