Shooting at Va Tech

I agree - it's a copycat mentality. But I don't think it just takes over "somehow". I think the media causes it with their excessive, sensationalized coverage. And in addition, a lot of the time they get their facts wrong.

Doesn't seem like there's much criticsm for them, though. :confused3


The media helps it but I wouldn't go so far as to say they cause it. A lot of times these copycat incidents keep occuring long after the initial media blitz is over. The media might overdo things, sometimes stretching it out ad nauseum, but on the whole I think they do us a service and do a fairly good job of getting to the nitty gritty, when they can. It's when they can't, that is when we get the hours and hours of pure speculation and sensationalism.
 
Listening to the English professor talk about the steps she took to try to get him help....it is just amazing that no one who could do something helped her. She seems so strong now but it has to be terrible for her to know that she knew something was wrong with him & he needed serious help. Everyone asks why didn't anyone do anything when something like this happens.
 
The media helps it but I wouldn't go so far as to say they cause it. A lot of times these copycat incidents keep occuring long after the initial media blitz is over. The media might overdo things, sometimes stretching it out ad nauseum, but on the whole I think they do us a service and do a fairly good job of getting to the nitty gritty, when they can. It's when they can't, that is when we get the hours and hours of pure speculation and sensationalism.
I agree. I can't defend the media because I agree that they often are irresponsible in their coverage, especially with sensationalism.

But, I think the copy cat issue is the result of very mentally unstable people seeing the attention these types of things cause and wanting to get some of that attention. It's a side issue, IMO. I don't think it would be avoided completely if the media was more responsible in their coverage. I think things like this just bring the nuts out of the woodwork.
 
I just heard on the news that NBC has received some sort of manifesto that Cho mailed in those 2 hours. Anyone else hear this?
 

A new disturbing development was just announced on our local news..evidently he mailed a package detailing the shootings (not sure of what) to either CBS or NBC (have to back up TIVO)....and they have turned this over to authorities.

He mailed it between the first and second shootings.

ETA: It was a blurb on my news--they said it was from investigators and the package was photos, video and writings that were of disturbing. It was mailed to NBC and immediately turned over to authorities.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18169776/?GT1=9246

(it references that the material was timestamped, so maybe it was e-mailed).
 
A new disturbing development was just announced on our local news..evidently he mailed a package detailing the shootings (not sure of what) to either CBS or NBC (have to back up TIVO)....and they have turned this over to authorities.

He mailed it between the first and second shootings.

Oh My Gosh how CREEPY!

It's so sad around here... all the names haven't even been released, and already I know people who know at least 5 of the victims. As big of a state as VA is, when things like this happen it seems like a small town.
 
This is just so sad. Seeing the faces of the students on TV just brought me to tears. One of the victims went to the same HS as DS and DD.
 
Sometime after he killed two people in a Virginia university dormitory but before he slaughtered 30 more in a classroom building Monday morning, Cho Seung-Hui sent NBC News a rambling communication and videos about his grievances, the network said Wednesday.

Cho, 23, a senior English major at Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University, killed 32 people in two attacks Monday before taking his own life.
Network officials turned the material over to the FBI and said they would not immediately disclose its contents beyond characterizing the material as “disturbing.” It included a written communication, photographs and video.

Brian Williams, anchor and managing editor of “NBC Nightly News,” said in a posting on the program’s “Daily Nightly” blog that the communication was received earlier Wednesday. He described it as a very long “multimedia manifesto.”


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18169776/
 
The news is reporting that 8 schools are on lockdown in MD while police search for a suspect with a gun and someone hit 5 students with a car in CA. I just can't process any more of this. :(

lbgraves, I've been seraching the web for a reference to students hit by a car in CA and haven't found anything. I have a son in school in CA. Any further information you, or anyone else has, would be greatly appreciated.
 
More disturbing developments (and just when you think it couldn't get much worse):


Cho, the gunman, had enough time between the first shootings in the dorm and the second slaughter in Norris Hall, to send e-mail, photos, and videos to NBC News.

Gunman contacted NBC News during massacre
Rambling communication, video being examined by FBI, network says



BLACKSBURG, Va. - Sometime after he killed two people in a Virginia university dormitory but before he slaughtered 30 more in a classroom building Monday morning, Cho Seung-Hui sent NBC News a rambling communication and videos about his grievances, the network said Wednesday.

Cho, 23, a senior English major at Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University, killed 32 people in two separate attacks Monday before taking his own life.

Network officials turned the material over to the FBI and said they would not immediately disclose its contents beyond characterizing the material as “disturbing.” It included a written communication, photographs and video.

Brian Williams, anchor and managing editor of “NBC Nightly News,” said in a posting on the program’s “Daily Nightly” blog that the communication was received earlier Wednesday. He described it as a very long “multi-media manifesto.”

The network said it would release a statement shortly.

And another story on ABCNews.com (I can't get into it right now) says that Cho was found "mentally insane" by the court, but then LET GO.:sad2:
 
Sometime after he killed two people in a Virginia university dormitory but before he slaughtered 30 more in a classroom building Monday morning, Cho Seung-Hui sent NBC News a rambling communication and videos about his grievances, the network said Wednesday.

Cho, 23, a senior English major at Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University, killed 32 people in two attacks Monday before taking his own life.
Network officials turned the material over to the FBI and said they would not immediately disclose its contents beyond characterizing the material as “disturbing.” It included a written communication, photographs and video.

Brian Williams, anchor and managing editor of “NBC Nightly News,” said in a posting on the program’s “Daily Nightly” blog that the communication was received earlier Wednesday. He described it as a very long “multimedia manifesto.”


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18169776/



I heard an ex FBI profiler on these type of mass killings and she said it was quite rare for any of them to not leave behind some sort of note or explanation of why they were going to do what they did. I guess she was right.
 
More disturbing developments (and just when you think it couldn't get much worse):


Cho, the gunman, had enough time between the first shootings in the dorm and the second slaughter in Norris Hall, to send e-mail, photos, and videos to NBC News.



And another story on ABCNews.com (I can't get into it right now) says that Cho was found "mentally insane" by the court, but then LET GO.:sad2:

Okay, I'm confused. It says he emailed NBC between the shootings (that would be on Monday), but then Brian Williams says NBC received them on Wednesday. ???? :confused3 :confused3
 
Ismail Ax?

WTH does THAT mean!?!?!? They said it was in red written on his body somewhere. It's also the headline on his myspace page (which even though is private is still way creepy).
 
Okay, I'm confused. It says he emailed NBC between the shootings (that would be on Monday), but then Brian Williams says NBC received them on Wednesday. ???? :confused3 :confused3

I'm not a computer genious ;) ....but could it be filters or file size that delayed it?

I sent a file 4 times to someone this weekend. Their inbox has yet to receive it and it happened to a bunch of other people too. A bit twilight zonish of course...but sometimes e-mail doesn't get to its destination quickly. Though a whole day is a bit slow...maybe whoever was checking e-mail was a bit behind?:confused3
 
Okay, I'm confused. It says he emailed NBC between the shootings (that would be on Monday), but then Brian Williams says NBC received them on Wednesday. ???? :confused3 :confused3



I heard it was a video and documents/letter sent via Snail Mail. :confused3
 
Oh, that would explain it. Wow, he even went to a mailbox . . .

Anyway, here's the story of how he was let go after he was found "mentally ill":

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=3052278&page=1

VT Killer Ruled Mentally Ill by Court; Let Go After Hospital Visit
Harassed Two Female Students; Concerns He Was Suicidal
University officials said the school had obtained a "temporary detention order" from a local magistrate that allowed them to refer Cho to an off-campus medical facility.

VT Killer Ruled Mentally Ill by Court; Let Go After Hospital Visit

April 18, 2007 — A Virginia court found that Virginia Tech killer Seung-Hui Cho was "mentally ill" and potentially dangerous. Then the state let him go.

In 2005, after a district court in Montgomery County, Va., ruled that Cho was either a danger to himself or to others — the necessary criteria for a detention order — he was evaluated by a state doctor and ordered to undergo outpatient care.

According to the "Temporary Detention Order" obtained by ABC News, the doctor found Cho's "mood is depressed."

"He denies suicidal ideation. He does not acknowledge symptoms of a thought disorder," the doctor wrote. "His insight and judgment are normal."

The evaluation came from a psychiatric hospital near Virginia Tech, where Cho was taken by police in December 2005, after two female schoolmates said they received threatening messages from him, and police and school officials became concerned that he might be suicidal.

That information came to light two days after Cho, a Virginia Tech senior, killed 32 people and then himself in a shooting rampage on the university's campus.

Virginia State Police this afternoon also announced that NBC News received a package they believe was sent to the network by Cho.

NBC immediately alerted authorities, police say, and handed over copies of the contents, which included "multiple photographs, video and writings," according to Virginia State Police Superintendent Col. Steven Flaherty.

Authorities hope the package may help authorities better understand the killer's motivations as evidence of his previous mental issues mounts.


Police obtained the 2005 detention order from a local magistrate after it was determined by a state-certified employee that Cho's apparent mental state met the threshold for the temporary detention order.

Under Virginia law, "A magistrate has the authority to issue a detention order upon a finding that a person is mentally ill and in need of hospitalization or treatment.

"The magistrate also must find that the person is an imminent danger to himself or others," says the guideline from Virginia's state court system.

Wendell Flinchum, the chief of the Virginia Tech police department, said that it's common for university police to work with state-affiliated mental health facilities instead of on-campus counseling because it is easier to obtain a detention order.

"We normally go through access [appealing to the state's legal system for help] because they have the power to commit people if they need to be committed," Flinchum said at a press conference Wednesday morning.

Cho was taken to Carilion St. Albans Behavioral Health Center in Radford, Va., a private facility that can take 162 inpatients, according to court documents.

It's unclear whether Cho went to the hospital with police on his own or was taken there under protective custody, a possibility under the temporary detention order obtained by police.

Authorities did not say how much time Cho had spent at the hospital.

One of the young women complained in November 2005 that Cho, then 21, was stalking her, but she declined to press legal charges against him. Police interviewed Cho for the first time and referred the case to the school's internal disciplinary board.

It's unclear whether any action was ever taken by the school, although Edward Spencer, a school vice president, said that it's not uncommon for a complaint to never reach a full hearing.
 
I heard it was a video and documents/letter sent via Snail Mail. :confused3

YUP! All to be revealed on NBC Nightly news.

They are about to interview his roommate on MSNBC
 
If there was a Restraining Order, why didn't this come up in the "thorough" 4 minute Security check when he purchase the guns and ammo????????
The answer is simple it was a temporary restraining order. As such, once it expires I doubt it's retained in legal records. It's much easier to get a temporary order as the threshold of "proof" is much lower. I could probably type up a couple of fake theatening e-mails from one of you here and get a temporary restraining order against you... falsely of course. If I want to make the order permenant, then I'd need to present a lot more evidence to a judge to make it stick.

As for his brief hospitalization, again it was temporary with no lasting order.
 
He clearly should have been treated as an inpatient because he WAS a threat to himself and others. But that's 20/20 hindsight, which is the easy part.

The hard part is, what we do differently, going forward. There are hundreds of thousands of severely depressed, seriously mentally ill people in this country. How do we possibly weed out the very miniscule percentage of those who would harm others, before they've actually shown any intent to do so?

Just as an example - how many college age kids are right now, today, displaying the same behaviors as Cho? Depressed, anti-social, complaints of stalking others. I guarantee you, the number is in the many thousands. What do we do? Lock them all up? Indefinitely. Until they can prove they aren't a danger? How would they prove it?

I ask all this simply for discussion purposes, not to advocate a particular position...there are no easy solutions.
 

New Posts


Disney Vacation Planning. Free. Done for You.
Our Authorized Disney Vacation Planners are here to provide personalized, expert advice, answer every question, and uncover the best discounts. Let Dreams Unlimited Travel take care of all the details, so you can sit back, relax, and enjoy a stress-free vacation.
Start Your Disney Vacation
Disney EarMarked Producer






DIS Facebook DIS youtube DIS Instagram DIS Pinterest DIS Tiktok DIS Twitter

Add as a preferred source on Google

Back
Top Bottom