Seven Dwarves mine train details & blueprints.

I think this is a great addition - I know people seem to always want "more thrills, more thrills" but to me - MK especially is about family's being able to ride things together. This is a perfect update of Snow White. While I'm sure some will miss the current dark ride, I always thought that one was one of Disney World's earliest failures - a ride that is too scary for many in its target audience, and too boring to those who are older. I gladly give up that for this. (Though I would argue against either this or VotLM being "E" tickets, more like "D" - though you can bet the lines will be HUGE early on - which will draw people away from many of the other attractions.

(Does anyone remember the first few years when Pooh came on-line and the lines for it were massive?)
 
I think this is a great addition - I know people seem to always want "more thrills, more thrills" but to me - MK especially is about family's being able to ride things together. This is a perfect update of Snow White. While I'm sure some will miss the current dark ride, I always thought that one was one of Disney World's earliest failures - a ride that is too scary for many in its target audience, and too boring to those who are older. I gladly give up that for this. (Though I would argue against either this or VotLM being "E" tickets, more like "D" - though you can bet the lines will be HUGE early on - which will draw people away from many of the other attractions.

(Does anyone remember the first few years when Pooh came on-line and the lines for it were massive?)

I agree 100% it is taking the ride into the 21st century. It looks like it will be just as much dark ride as coaster win win IMO.
 

Looks like it will be a fantastic addition to the FLE! Thank you so much for sharing!
 
I've ridden some of the biggest fastest coasters out there and am a huge thrill ride fan. However, ask me what my favorite ride is and I'll tell you it's the Haunted Mansion.
The immersion factor, details and plots are what win me over.
This looks like the best of both worlds, a little thrill ride(ish) and the details and immersion of a dark ride. Kinda the splash mountain recipe.
It's a kiddy coaster in scope but with the extra swaying might make immensely fun. I'm sure it won't be as thrilling as BTM but it should have a lot more on the detail side again.
People keep saying that due to the size it will not be an E class ride. This attraction is not small at all. It's on a plot of land the size of IASW and as far as I can tell at least twice the size of LM, PP and SW. I'll hold judgment until I ride but if it is what I'm imagining it would be an E ride. But who knows it may turn out no better than a Kiddie coaster ala Barnstormer.
My biggest concern is capacity. It's not a people eater and it sounds like a short ride. When they close Snow White, a higher capacity ride, things might get a little crowded not to mention the lines for this thing will be huge.
I'm very excited about this ride. This sounds way better than the LM.
 
I've ridden some of the biggest fastest coasters out there and am a huge thrill ride fan. However, ask me what my favorite ride is and I'll tell you it's the Haunted Mansion.
The immersion factor, details and plots are what win me over.
This looks like the best of both worlds, a little thrill ride(ish) and the details and immersion of a dark ride. Kinda the splash mountain recipe.
It's a kiddy coaster in scope but with the extra swaying might make immensely fun. I'm sure it won't be as thrilling as BTM but it should have a lot more on the detail side again.
People keep saying that due to the size it will not be an E class ride. This attraction is not small at all. It's on a plot of land the size of IASW and as far as I can tell at least twice the size of LM, PP and SW. I'll hold judgment until I ride but if it is what I'm imagining it would be an E ride. But who knows it may turn out no better than a Kiddie coaster ala Barnstormer.
My biggest concern is capacity. It's not a people eater and it sounds like a short ride. When they close Snow White, a higher capacity ride, things might get a little crowded not to mention the lines for this thing will be huge.
I'm very excited about this ride. This sounds way better than the LM.

Capacity should be offset when it opens and you also have TLM which will be a people eater.
 
Capacity should be offset when it opens and you also have TLM which will be a people eater.

Bringing things back to par of the MK over a decade ago (with the submarine ride). Actually, I'm forgetting the Dueling Dumbo. This might actually slightly increse increase attraction capacity in the MK for the first time in 20 years.
I will be stoked if they add IJ to AL and Tron to TM. A little less so if they replace existing attractions though.
 
First off,

I'd like to thank Figment for all the great links and info.

Now for my opinion on the ride.

It looks fun and about the thrill level it should be for Fantasyland.

I agree with pete. When I think of Fantasyland, i think of rides that are targeted at younger kids and people who do not like as much thrills.

However the one thing I'm worried about is the rocking actually.

Has anyone here ever ridden Big Bad Wolf at Busch Gardens Virginia or Iron Dragon at Cedar Point?

If you haven't I will let you in on a little secret.

They rock.

This is fine if you don't get motion sickness, but if you do the rocking on these coasters is worse than any motion simulater.

so if Disney can find a way to decrease the sickness from the rocking it will work very well.
 
I would guess that this cancels a change of a IJ rollercoaster coming to the MK. Unfortunately it has a smaller footprint that could fit in AL easier when compared to the DL/AK dinosaur ride.
 
LOve the Iron Dragon at Cedar Point and would welcome anything like it to Disney. It's not a thrill ride especially, but riding it at night is amazing!
 
It doesn't matter how tame it is that wasn't the point.

The point is those kind of rides that make people prone to motion sickness very sick (in general)

If you build a ride for absolutely everyone, you end up with a ride for no one. Some people get motion sickness. Some people don't like drops. Some people don't like darkness. Some people don't like... fill in the blank.

Eventually, you have to build a ride that will exclude some people simply to build a ride that MOST people will enjoy.

Otherwise, you'll end up with a lot of omnimover rides. And some slow boats. And I think we have plenty of those already (and it looks like Mermaid will add one more).
 
If you build a ride for absolutely everyone, you end up with a ride for no one. Some people get motion sickness. Some people don't like drops. Some people don't like darkness. Some people don't like... fill in the blank.

Eventually, you have to build a ride that will exclude some people simply to build a ride that MOST people will enjoy.

Otherwise, you'll end up with a lot of omnimover rides. And some slow boats. And I think we have plenty of those already (and it looks like Mermaid will add one more).

i don' deny that. Go back to my first post on this thread. What I said was that it COULD be a turnoff to some people and that if disney could find a way to minimize the sickness without sacrificing the actual motion i think it has the potential to be a fantastic ride for everyone!

Thats really all i was trying to add to the conversation.
 
Eventually, you have to build a ride that will exclude some people simply to build a ride that MOST people will enjoy.

No, not if a bit of talent, creativity, and imagination is applied to the attraction development process (quantities in short supply within Disney anymore). Most classic Disney experiences exclude absolutely no one, yet are enjoyed by most people - Haunted Mansion, Pirates, Living with the Land, Great Movie Ride, Kilimanjaro Safaris, etc.. Sure, Spaceship Earth may not be the favorite of thrill freaks, but it remains something worthy of their interest and an experience the entire family can share ("an amusement enterprise built where the parents and children could have fun together" - Walt Disney). You have to consider the audience, and WDW is populated by far more families, seniors, young children, and other adults who have less interest and tolerance for extreme thrills than the typical theme park.

There is simply no reason that in 2011 you cannot design an innovative, state-of-the-art attraction which is accessible to and enjoyable by essentially everyone (The Little Mermaid and Toy Story Mania come to mind).

If you build a ride for absolutely everyone, you end up with a ride for no one. Some people get motion sickness. Some people don't like drops. Some people don't like darkness. Some people don't like... fill in the blank

You are always going to have individuals who don't like something, but they are exceptions to - and not representative of - the larger group (most people like ice cream, but I'm sure there is somebody out there who doesn't). You can't try to please every individuals personal taste, but that hardly means a ride designed for everyone is in any way compromised, dull, or less immersive and interesting because it doesn't exclude a particular group. The primary factor excluding people from rides is the thrill factor (and associated height requirements), and relatively few Disney attractions are thrill rides. That doesn't mean there is no room for a thrill experience in a Disney park (Space Mountain, Big Thunder), but it does probably mean they will be tamer than "thrill ride' counterparts in many other theme parks and they will be fewer in number and farther between in development than attraction experiences which are designed to appeal to a wider audience (families) and accessible to all.

Otherwise, you'll end up with a lot of omnimover rides. And some slow boats. And I think we have plenty of those already (and it looks like Mermaid will add one more).

Well, as I've suggested above, you probably should have a lot of omnimover attractions in a Disney Park - such storytelling and showmanship is what the place is all about. While there are plenty of them, and again while there is room for some thrill experiences in the parks, it is also true that many of the major E-ticket additions to the parks over the past 10-15 years have been "thrill ride" experiences. The omnimover "dark ride" attractions are aging. We're arguably long overdue for more such attractions than just Mermaid, though it is a welcome addition.
 
However the one thing I'm worried about is the rocking actually.

Has anyone here ever ridden Big Bad Wolf at Busch Gardens Virginia or Iron Dragon at Cedar Point?

If you haven't I will let you in on a little secret.

They rock.

This is fine if you don't get motion sickness, but if you do the rocking on these coasters is worse than any motion simulater.

so if Disney can find a way to decrease the sickness from the rocking it will work very well.
You won't be rocking while coming out of a turn at 50 mph. I am sure it will be much tamer. . . . You cannot compare the 2 or 3 . . . . .
 
It doesn't matter how tame it is that wasn't the point.

The point is those kind of rides that make people prone to motion sickness very sick (in general)

I actually live about an hour from Cedar Point and we have season passes. I have horrible motion sickness and cannot go on many roller coasters, ANY spinny rides and definitely not motion simulators (a la Star Tours). Even the "tame" side of Mission:Space bothered me. Cannot go on any boat without medication, cannot sit in the backseat of a car, swinging (like on a swingset) bothers me, etc. etc.

However, I can handle Iron Dragon without much issue. I might feel a little "strange" for maybe a minute afterwards, but definitely not sick. The feeling it gives me is about what Soarin' gives me - if the ride were much longer I might start to feel worse, but it's over and I'm fine. If that makes sense.
 
No, not if a bit of talent, creativity, and imagination is applied to the attraction development process (quantities in short supply within Disney anymore). Most classic Disney experiences exclude absolutely no one, yet are enjoyed by most people - Haunted Mansion, Pirates, Living with the Land, Great Movie Ride, Kilimanjaro Safaris, etc.. Sure, Spaceship Earth may not be the favorite of thrill freaks, but it remains something worthy of their interest and an experience the entire family can share ("an amusement enterprise built where the parents and children could have fun together" - Walt Disney). You have to consider the audience, and WDW is populated by far more families, seniors, young children, and other adults who have less interest and tolerance for extreme thrills than the typical theme park.

There is simply no reason that in 2011 you cannot design an innovative, state-of-the-art attraction which is accessible to and enjoyable by essentially everyone (The Little Mermaid and Toy Story Mania come to mind).



You are always going to have individuals who don't like something, but they are exceptions to - and not representative of - the larger group (most people like ice cream, but I'm sure there is somebody out there who doesn't). You can't try to please every individuals personal taste, but that hardly means a ride designed for everyone is in any way compromised, dull, or less immersive and interesting because it doesn't exclude a particular group. The primary factor excluding people from rides is the thrill factor (and associated height requirements), and relatively few Disney attractions are thrill rides. That doesn't mean there is no room for a thrill experience in a Disney park (Space Mountain, Big Thunder), but it does probably mean they will be tamer than "thrill ride' counterparts in many other theme parks and they will be fewer in number and farther between in development than attraction experiences which are designed to appeal to a wider audience (families) and accessible to all.



Well, as I've suggested above, you probably should have a lot of omnimover attractions in a Disney Park - such storytelling and showmanship is what the place is all about. While there are plenty of them, and again while there is room for some thrill experiences in the parks, it is also true that many of the major E-ticket additions to the parks over the past 10-15 years have been "thrill ride" experiences. The omnimover "dark ride" attractions are aging. We're arguably long overdue for more such attractions than just Mermaid, though it is a welcome addition.


Go to any Disney park and see where the longest lines are. It's not "Living With the Land."

If you want a ride that will draw, it will exclude some people. Based on what I read here on the Dis, there are people who won't go on Soarin' and TSM, which are gentle rides, because they get motion sickness. Yet these are the kinds of innovative attractions Disney can and should continue to make despite that exclusion -- not more omnimovers.

I'm not suggesting that they shut down Haunted Mansion or Pirates. Those rides already are at the heart of the park -- we don't need more of them.
 


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