Services are being stripped

I don't know what I should expect from the WDW resorts, as I have only been there once prior to my most recent visit, however I have never had an issue at any of the three Disney hotels at the Disneyland Resort. Whether at the Disneyland Hotel or the Grand Californian, I experienced service and accomodations which met (and often surpassed) all of my expectations.

Prior to joining DVC, my stays at these hotels were more of a luxury than the norm. Those of you who have been to Disneyland know that there are hundreds of hotels within a short distance from the resort (in fact there are a dozen moderate to low cost hotels that have a shorter walk to the parks than Disneyland Hotel and Paradise Pier have) and due to cost, I have had many more visits to these hotels than to Disney's. With those hotels, I expected to find serivice and accomodations which were sub-Disney standards, however, I knew this was the case in order to save money.

After countless stays at these hotels, I soon wanted more than just a place to sleep between park visits, so we booked a few trips to Disneyland Hotel and the Grand Californian (the villas were just being proposed at this time). Staying with Disney was almost as though I never left the parks and the experience was (as corny as this sounds) somewhat more magical. The hotels were immaculent and staff were friendly, attentive, and seemed genuinely interested doing whatever they could to assist us in making our stay as memorable and special as possible.

This is why I joined DVC. I loved our time at Disney and wanted to enhance that by staying at the Villas at the Grand Californian. How much did I love it? I (following advice of my guide at the time) bought an initial Kidani contract (160 pts.) just so that I could guarantee that I would be able to buy into VGC on the first day of sales (120 pts). After staying at the VGC twice, I knew that I made the right choice. The rooms were beyond compare and being able to look out our window and see the folks enjoying their day at DCA is priceless. The few problems that we did experience (primarily staff being unaware of how DVC works during the opening week) were immediately resolved and were merely minor hiccups rather than actual problems during our trip.

How did my trip to WDW compare? Not so well, in my opinion...

Kidani (5/31 - 6/4)

After flying cross country all day with three kids, my wife could not wait to relax in our jacuzzi tub. When I filled the tub and pressed the button, I found that our jacuzzi tub did not work, so I called the front desk. She explained how the tub should operate (which I knew, since they are the same as VGC's) and then said she would notify engineering in the morning. The next morning I called engineering to check whether or not we'd need to remain in the room for them and they were completely unaware of the problem with the tub. I explained it to them and they said someone would fix it and that we did not need to be present when they arrive. We returned that afternoon and found a tag in our key slot saying that maintanence was in the room (something to that effect), yet when we entered we found the tub filled with water (the jacuzzi still not working) and no maintanence staff. This was noon and after hitting the pool, we returned at 5 pm to find the same tag, same filled tub, and still no maintanence staff. I called back to maintanence and asked about the repairs. The man on the other end of the line said that he'd make sure that they return and repair the tub by the end of the evening. We hit the parks and returned to the room after midnight to find the tag, water in the tub, and no repairs made. I called down to engineering again and asked about the tub. They had no idea what was going on with the tub and said that they could send someone to the room, however, they would not be able to resolve the problem. I asked for clarification and when it was clear that someone would respond, look at the tub and then leave without repairing it, I respectfully declined his offer to send some one up at that hour of the night. The next morning I made another call to maintanence and headed to the parks. We returned that afternoon and still no repairs were made. Finally I called my guide in California and explained the isssue to him and told him that I was dissapointed in the service being provided. He called maintanence personally and when we returned that night the tub was fixed.

I know that to most of you reading this, it will be easy to say that it is just a tub and that the rest of the room was fine, but isn't the tub (and all other components of the rooms) listed as part of your room when making reservations and buying your contract and not a perk? I know that my guide was sure quick to point out the tubs in the mock-up at VGC and we discussed how this is a step up from the shower tub combos at the "hotels across the street". Is it wrong to expect the issue to be resolved quickly? I had a five night stay, yet the tub was not operating for three of them. Is this a major inconvenience that made my WDW trip suffer extensively? No. Is the tub something that I factored into my purchase of DVC and something that I should be able to enjoy (and wanted to enjoy) while there? Yes.

What upset me most about this, however, was the lack of response by the staff at Kidani. I never received a call updating me on the repairs, nor did anyone call to appologize after I had to wait three days for the repairs to be made. Did I get ignored because I was staying on points rather than cash? I don't really know, and it really doesn't matter...

Boardwalk (6/4 - 6/10)

I walked into the bathroom and immediately saw something was out of place. There was a section of drywall exposed next to the shower with three spots of adhesive/caulking that looked like something was torn off. Between the two lower portions of caulking were several black patches that looked like mold. I looked around the bathroom and found that a plastic board (which matched up to the spot of drywall) was stuffed behind the toilet. This looked like a previous guest had caused the damage an hid it and that it went unnoticced by staff, so I called engineering. I told them of the damage (mainly so they wouldn't blame me) and then told them about the concerns that I had about the possiblity that the black stuff I saw was mold. I was thanked for the call, and then never heard anything more about it. Was it mold? I couldn't tell you, since no one came to check it... Once again, my main concern with this was the lack of response by engineering or the front desk (well, that and the fact that mold is not the healthiest thing to expose my family to).

As I said before, my experience with DVC is limited since we joined in 2008, even though we almost joined in 1999 when they were selling BWV during our Honeymoon, but couldn't justify the cost that early in our marriage (something I regret now). Since 1999, we have watched from the sidelines and took several tours and read/watched countless promotional material soliciting new members. From everything that we have heard and seen, DVC has made it a point to sell the fact that they are know for (and we should expect) exceptional service and quality. When I compare what is being promised in promotional material (and reinforced while in WDW while watching the continuous adds on tv, at welcome home wednesdays, and while touring BLT) to what I experienced during my stay, I have to say that I feel that they missed the mark. I don't feel that I received exceptional service this time around. I felt as though my issue was so low on the priority list that it was either being backshelved or flat out ignored and that I ranked so low on their priority list that I did not warrant contact from the front desk or engineering. Heck when I think back to any problems that I had at the cheaper priced hotels across the street from Disneyland, even their standard level of service would have included some sort of appology through a phone call...

All this being said, I am not angry or upset enough to sell my DVC. I still enjoyed my stay and felt that Kidani and Boardwalk were nice resorts which offered nice atmosphere and were roomy enough for all of us (unlike a regular hotel room). If anything, I was just left feeling a little dissapointed...
 
With all due respect, your arguments seem to have changed so many times throughout this thread that I'm not even sure where you are coming from anymore.

We began discussing a perceived diminishing of perks....

Later you spent a page-and-a-half on the 45 minutes it took to get a pillow...

Finally we've come to cutting and pasting Disney customer service guidelines....
That's actually about what I've come to expect from this type of thread on the DIS. Some people just enjoy :stir: The content (if any) doesn't matter.

I'm a little surprised any of you serious folks take the time to respond to stuff like this...
 
With all due respect, your arguments seem to have changed so many times throughout this thread that I'm not even sure where you are coming from anymore.

We began discussing a perceived diminishing of perks. Personally I disagree with that. In the 7-8 years that we have been members the perks have increased considerably. Granted not all of them are things I am interested in using (Cirque discounts, Broadway ticket discounts), but we do take advantage of many perks which save us hundreds of dollars per year--most notably the AP discount and free Internet.

Later you spent a page-and-a-half on the 45 minutes it took to get a pillow. Again, this is an entirely defensible timeframe and does NOT immediately suggest that Disney is understaffed. Any number of higher priority maintenance emergencies, or simply a higher-than-expected volume of requests from other guests could have lead to such a delay.

Finally we've come to cutting and pasting Disney customer service guidelines. On these points, we are largely in agreement. I DO expect Disney employees to make eye contact, to thank me and to try and go the extra mile.

That said, I also realize that Disney Cast Members are people, too. People who deal with a whole lot of crap other from guests who make ridiculous / unreasonable / insulting / belligerent requests which they feel are necessary in order to make THEIR stay "magical."

And I'm certainly not going to look down on a CM who took 45 minutes to deliver a pillow when he/she may have just come from cleaning up a child's vomit or teaching a guest how to close the blinds in their room.

Right on!

Oh, and while it isn't excusable, I think the theft issue is what drives a lot of these "missing items". I'm not going to assume it's guests or staff, but there are a lot of I-homes, light bulbs, pillows, hair dryers, etc. etc. etc walking out of DVC units every day. Sure, it should be up to the housekeepers to report those things, but the reality is that some of them don't understand that, or even understand what is SUPPOSED to be in the units.

I remember a couple of years ago being frustrated that the housekeeper left the half used soap from the previous guest in the shower. I very politely called housekeeping and explained the problem and asked if someone would please come and clean our shower and remove the used soap. We came back later to find extra soaps and shampoos left, but the used soap was still there, so I called yet again. This time the housekeeper came while we were there. It was quite obvious that she didn't speak enough English to understand the request, because she came yet again with more soaps. I just motioned to her to come in and showed her the soap, and she then removed it. It was a perfect example of people not being properly trained. That is NOT the housekeeper's fault, that is the fault of someone in management not doing their job.

I think we all know that things happen. That's everywhere, not just at DVC or WDW, but anywhere. We all have to learn to lighten up a bit and stop expecting more than people are capable of providing anymore. Service has fallen off everywhere, not just at Disney or DVC.

Now, none of this has anything to do with perks, but I wasn't the one who started talking about this stuff. Sorry if I got off topic so far.:guilty:
 
I think it's pretty clear that the thread went from perks to service when several PPs said the only thing our DVC contract promised was a room. Call me crazy, but I expect that room to be clean and in working order.
 

I am sorry, but that is just unacceptable to wait more than 30 minutes for anything including room service.

I think this is just completely unrealistic. I have always considered anything under 30 minutes pretty good for room service. After all, they have to actually prepare the food.

My state of the union is apparently completely different from your state of your union. We go to Disney a lot, and I simply haven't experienced the problems others have. I don't doubt that others have experienced problems, but I don't like it when those individual problems are characterized as problems that "everyone" is having. They aren't.

I also agree with the AP discount and free internet comments, if we're discussing perks (which I thought this thread was about in the first place). These perks are what matter to me at the current time, and I am so happy we have them. I certainly don't feel that they are owed to me, and I am happy to have them.
 
With all due respect, your arguments seem to have changed so many times throughout this thread that I'm not even sure where you are coming from anymore.

We began discussing a perceived diminishing of perks. Personally I disagree with that. In the 7-8 years that we have been members the perks have increased considerably. Granted not all of them are things I am interested in using (Cirque discounts, Broadway ticket discounts), but we do take advantage of many perks which save us hundreds of dollars per year--most notably the AP discount and free Internet.

Later you spent a page-and-a-half on the 45 minutes it took to get a pillow. Again, this is an entirely defensible timeframe and does NOT immediately suggest that Disney is understaffed. Any number of higher priority maintenance emergencies, or simply a higher-than-expected volume of requests from other guests could have lead to such a delay.

Finally we've come to cutting and pasting Disney customer service guidelines. On these points, we are largely in agreement. I DO expect Disney employees to make eye contact, to thank me and to try and go the extra mile.

That said, I also realize that Disney Cast Members are people, too. People who deal with a whole lot of crap other from guests who make ridiculous / unreasonable / insulting / belligerent requests which they feel are necessary in order to make THEIR stay "magical."

And I'm certainly not going to look down on a CM who took 45 minutes to deliver a pillow when he/she may have just come from cleaning up a child's vomit or teaching a guest how to close the blinds in their room.
Again, if you go back an read my posts it doesn't insult any particular person. It merely suggests that quality of service has changed in the recent year to a lower quality level. The post started as a thread talking about services that are take away or as my word use "stripped" away. It seems that I am not the only one that feels that the way that situations are dealt with in a wrongful manner.

I wouldn't sell my timeshare, I am happy with it. I love the service that disney offers, however I think that in a more recent time due to "something" (training, processes, planning, etc) that there is a noticeable change in the way things are dealt with. I don't have to prove my point to anybody. I think that the dis'ers on here have done that already.

Stop putting words in peoples mouths about how they feel. I really enjoy the parks, I really enjoy dining at WDW restaurants and swimming in the pools. I love going to the AMC downtown, and driving the mice boats around. I love watching POTC, and Toy Story. I like getting Dole Whips, and Mickey Bars. I like taking pictures and making memories and I will continue to enjoy these things.

Hey the guest service guidelines are what they are. I didn't make them up but they do shed some light on how things should be handled at the parks and resorts.

You apparently spend a lot of time on this board. Maybe to much, I think you might be the one that is insulting. I believe I am entitled to my opinion. I am also pretty sure that my next trip will be wonderful! I am Looking forward to Epcot's International Food and Wine Festival.
 
I think this is just completely unrealistic. I have always considered anything under 30 minutes pretty good for room service. After all, they have to actually prepare the food.

My state of the union is apparently completely different from your state of your union. We go to Disney a lot, and I simply haven't experienced the problems others have. I don't doubt that others have experienced problems, but I don't like it when those individual problems are characterized as problems that "everyone" is having. They aren't.

I also agree with the AP discount and free internet comments, if we're discussing perks (which I thought this thread was about in the first place). These perks are what matter to me at the current time, and I am so happy we have them. I certainly don't feel that they are owed to me, and I am happy to have them.
I don't know if you saw my post clearly, I said 30 minutes or more. Food, yes you have a point the have to cook it. But other things like light bulbs, hair dryer, etc should be fairly quick. I guess I could be wrong. Maybe my expectations could be far to high to have things that should be standard in every room. Sorry for the sarcastic remark in return.

;)
 
JMHO on service. I think the recent issues of poor service relate to a reduction in staff and excessive member requests. This opinion is based on a recent experience at BCV. We checked in late one tuesday night this past March. When I went to use the sink in the bathroom one of the faucets broke and the water wash gushing out and could not be stopped. I ran to the phone to call for help. Thank God the drain was not clogged. It took maintence over 30 minutes it make it to the room. They apologized for taking so long with such an emergency but they said with the rif they were the only maintenance crew covering BW,BWV,BC, and BCV for the night.But here's where I learned alot. They had two way radios getting calls from a dispatcher on other issues. I could not believe some of the calls. For example, "room XXX just called again and they are very upset and want someone to help them with closing their blinds now". These poor guys were being run ragged. The best they could do was shut off the water and wait to come back in the morning when more people were working. I'm sure they must really struggle with some of the requests. I remember thinking a couple of times "you got to be kidding me with that call".I 'm sure it must be tough for them also and yes I know everyone's request is the most important thing in the whole wide world.JMHO. Thanks for reading.

Nice post -thanks for adding your perspective.

I've had two issues that needed maintenance attention in my DVC ownership (2 years). One was a sliding door at BLT that was broken--not just off the track, but the door was literally ripped from the top track hardware with bits of door still attached to the track slider piece, so that it looked fine when opened but was almost impossible to move/close. We reported it late on our first night (when we noticed it) and it was fixed when we came back to our room at lunchtime the next day.

The second issue was with the whirlpool tub at AKV Kidani. I turned it on to run for cleaning it out, let it run, then set it to drain and turned off the jets as we left for dinner. When I returned, I realized one of the jets had come completely out (didn't notice it initially because the bubble action hid the problem). I called that night to report it and when we got back to the room at about 3pm to dress for V&As, it was fixed.

In both cases I expected to have trouble because of things I'd read here, but afterward I realized that the posts here are just a drop in the bucket of what goes on every day and are likely not indicative of a real pattern.
 
But they are meeting MY expectations - they appear adequately staffed for that - they aren't meeting YOURS. Whose expectations do they need to staff to meet - and who is going to pay for the increased staffing costs?
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perhaps there should be a designated hotline to an onsite DVC complaint concierge:confused3that could step up when a guest feels they are being treated unfairly & assist in a resolution or smooth any 'ruffled feathers', good PR move imo if nothing else?

I think this is just completely unrealistic. I have always considered anything under 30 minutes pretty good for room service. After all, they have to actually prepare the food.

My state of the union is apparently completely different from your state of your union. We go to Disney a lot, and I simply haven't experienced the problems others have. I don't doubt that others have experienced problems, but I don't like it when those individual problems are characterized as problems that "everyone" is having. They aren't.
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sometimes all it takes is one, random, yet really bad problem, without any sort of resolution; to color one's opinion unfavorably.

we've had one horrid experience (a bug infestation that i whined about here in great depth;) several years ago). Even though it was a pia to be stuck in the studio overnight (sold out everywhere, a holiday period) it was worse to be forced to have to make repeated requests for an exterminator from everybody from desk CMs to the bellhops.:mad:No mgrs available my entire stay & it took nearly 24 hrs before the fumigation was accomplished & we could use the room

all it took was my one letter to executive offices upon my return & incident was investigated & mgr was disciplined, retrained & transferred:thumbsup2. I didn't ask for any 'compensation' only wanted to make sure somebody knew what was going on & ensure the same lousy customer service wasn't repeated for another guest.

I don't blame DVC (probably result of clueless guest leaving the slider open!) & I don't hold it against them either (except my DH then refused to add on there).

however, it sure would've been nice to have a phone # to call to go to bat for me when we were still guests @ the resort.
 
I think it is unrealistic to expect anything less than 30-60 minutes... Housekeeping is not staffed to have "on demand" attention to every guests need. But no should have to wait many hours or even days for something to be fixed.

And in many instances I would agree that certain types of assistance should be taken care of first... particularly a broken faucet and new linens for a sick child.
 
Tara, I had the same exact experience with my issue. When maintenance left the room that night they asked what time they could come back and make the repair to the faucet. The next morning when I came back to the room from Epcot, it was fixed with a nice pile of fresh towels.I was happy with the response. :goodvibes
 
perhaps there should be a designated hotline to an onsite DVC complaint concierge:confused3that could step up when a guest feels they are being treated unfairly & assist in a resolution or smooth any 'ruffled feathers', good PR move imo if nothing else?

But we know who 80% of the calls will be from, right? "I have a tree outside my window blocking the fireworks." "I paid a lot of money for this membership and now you are going to charge me for towels?!" "I requested a high floor and ended up on the third floor." "I should get free dining." "When I bought there was valet parking." (call made three years AFTER the switch) And "Can you teach me to close the blinds?"

One of the great things about some Disney vacation offerings in the incredible level of customer service. The cruise is fantastic with the stateroom host and your servers. Adventures by Disney was absolutely delightful in the time and effort our guides put forth in making our trip wonderful. But we paid relatively through the nose for those vacations when you compare what we spend on our DVC vacations.

Rooms should be clean. Sometimes they aren't and I think that complaint happens often enough that its a problem the management needs to get a handle on. And plenty of people do have REAL problems. But there is the occasional demand to trim the tree so you can watch fireworks, too.
 
"I have a tree outside my window blocking the fireworks."

And I'm too lazy to walk outside to get a better view:rotfl: I guess some guest expectations are way to high. :confused3 I just want to have a clean room with all of the items in proper working order. Is that asking for too much? As for perks, I didn't buy into DVC for perks. I did buy into so I could have locked in prices for vacations 40+ years down the road. Take a few perks. Add a few. It's all give and take.
 
I don't know if you saw my post clearly, I said 30 minutes or more. Food, yes you have a point the have to cook it. But other things like light bulbs, hair dryer, etc should be fairly quick. I guess I could be wrong. Maybe my expectations could be far to high to have things that should be standard in every room. Sorry for the sarcastic remark in return.

;)

Well, if you are making that request at OKW, your expectations WOULD be far too high, because all the OKW housekeepers staff is based at SSR. When you call for something "after hours", they have to bring it over from SSR, and it can take at least an hour.
 
Well, if you are making that request at OKW, your expectations WOULD be far too high, because all the OKW housekeepers staff is based at SSR. When you call for something "after hours", they have to bring it over from SSR, and it can take at least an hour.

Here is another item that most don't know. The maintenance people for BCV/BC and BWV/BWI are stationed at the Yacht Club. A 3 or 4 person crew serves all 3 resorts.

:earsboy: Bill
 
The fact is a large part of my guide's sales pitch was based on the great perks. She flipped through the book and asked which places we love to eat at when at WDW. I said happily "BOMA!". Of course she looked it up and there it was as a discount perk and she figured out how much it would save us. Literally, the month after we signed our papers, that Boma discount was gone as were discounts at other restaurants we mentioned at the time.

I do agree with this, but I chalk it up to caveat emptor. We're in the process of buying a resale, but when we went on the DVC tour a few weeks ago our guide was very focused on all the added benefits and how great and valuable they are. When I responded that, while the benefits are a nice perk I didn't consider them in my purchasing decision because they could go away or change, she looked wounded and slightly insulted and said "why would they take away a benefit?" I didn't want to create an awkward situation by pointing out that they added and removed benefits regularly, so I let it go. It's my job to read the contracts, deeds, etc., but I'm not sure that response was as forthright as it could have been.

My point is that benefits can come and go, and I don't have a problem with it. I agree that some of the new perks, like the discount on APs, will work in our favor far more than free valet parking, but when they build them into their sales pitch, they are potentially setting up their owners for disappointment.

Anyway, just my opinion as one going through the purchase process as we speak.
 
I do agree with this, but I chalk it up to caveat emptor. We're in the process of buying a resale, but when we went on the DVC tour a few weeks ago our guide was very focused on all the added benefits and how great and valuable they are. When I responded that, while the benefits are a nice perk I didn't consider them in my purchasing decision because they could go away or change, she looked wounded and slightly insulted and said "why would they take away a benefit?" I didn't want to create an awkward situation by pointing out that they added and removed benefits regularly, so I let it go. It's my job to read the contracts, deeds, etc., but I'm not sure that response was as forthright as it could have been.

My point is that benefits can come and go, and I don't have a problem with it. I agree that some of the new perks, like the discount on APs, will work in our favor far more than free valet parking, but when they build them into their sales pitch, they are potentially setting up their owners for disappointment.

Anyway, just my opinion as one going through the purchase process as we speak.

I think that part of the disappointment comes from what Disney has taught us over the years. They have been very good at teaching us that Disney is different and that they specialize in making magic. Walt was known for plussing it and creating memories. Disney would never exaggerate or tell a half truth, right. ;)

:earsboy: Bill
 
The best perk were the free park tickets which were extended into 2000. Thank you for reminding me about Trash and Tidy versus Trash and Towel. DH and I realized we were receiving less but never made the connection until now!! Still love Disney and DVC but miss those peach towels.
The passes were terminated 31 Dec, 1999. However, the original ruling was that you could not borrow 2000 points into 1999 and get passes based on those points. This was later changed at the suggestion of a few lawyers I hear.

In general for this thread: Many of the issues for DVC are directly or indirectly traced back to member abuses, certainly not all. The Towel and similar charges are a great example which reportedly can be traced back to one last straw that broke the towel's back, a lady who asked for 12 sets of the soaps/shampoo's, etc and when they arrived, said thanks, these will make great stocking stuffers at Xmas.

We should expect and demand appropriate cleaning, check in, management and the like. Complaining about non guaranteed perks like restaurant discounts, park discounts, even valet parking is simply petty and short sighted in my book.
 
My handyman who happens to be my DH rarely gets the job done as quickly as Disney maintenance folks and I know that the maid/chef (me) is never as happy to clean up after sick kiddos and and creating culinary delights at all hours as the Disney crew. Wish I could live at Disney, bet they'd even clean my basement quicker than DH and I do. Bottom line, everyone's expectations are different.
 



















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