Seriously need healthy recipe help for a picky eater

[dngnb8]

I meant after a while because it appears from the OP that she has been told over and over long before she posted here what she needs to do (eat more vegetables) but is resisting. I got the impression that she is basically forum shopping for the info she wants to hear as opposed to the info she needs to hear.

Personally I want blunt. I would much rather have a doctor be blunt with me than beat around the bush or try to massage my ego while giving me information. I want the facts plain and simple and if my lifestyle is causing me health problems put it out there in black and white what I need to do and I'll do it.

I agree with some of this. The Chef I suggested I think is up her ally. Over time, she may grow into more vegetables. And the salads she eats arent horrible, and do get her some fiber.

Small steps in this case. If she uses the Chefs recipes, she can eliminate 70% of her calories from fat off the top. Over time, this will help. Whole Grains, non-digestible carbs, and slowly increasing veges over time will help the OP.

Kicking the OP in the face and insulting the OP wont do anything.

 

[usnuzuloose]

I would be curious to know how new tests would be after she continues to fix the same foods, only in a healthy manner?

 

[Jennasis]

Exactly. The OP put the info out there. I am not going to dumb it down and say "Oh yes, continue eating a high fat, high carb diet, your diabetes and heart disease will bend to your will." I'm sorry, it doesn't work that way. I would also have a lot more sympathy if the OP really wanted to change or was really trying. (and I think cornflake had mentioned that in an earlier post) If the Op was on here saying "I really want to change." "I'm going to try" etc, it would make sense, but to me, and to others she is in a huge state of denial. She needs to accept responsibility and try to improve her lifestyle, or if she doesn't really want to do that, than just accept what is, is and hope one of those 3 diseases doesn't kill her before her son is grown. ...but don't put the info on a public message board and when people try to offer advice get angry and say "NO! NO! NO! I won't!" Others making excuses for her and her making excuses for herself is not helping.

Truthfully, to have all these medical problems, not to mention serious heart damage requiring an invasive procedure before the age of 50 should be a HUGE wake up call.

Why does someone "putting info out there" mean you have license to browbeat a total stranger over it? What possible good does it do you? If you feel your sage advice is falling on deaf ears WALK AWAY.

I read and re-read the OP and it says she is making changes to her eating habits. Apparently they aren't good enough for you. She doesn't eat the "old diet" stuff she listed anymore, but asked for ideas how she might be able to adapt some of them for her new required dietary style.

Clearly by the first post it was clear to ME that "try some vegetables" wasn't going to be a good answer....yet people insisted anyway (seems some folks just not that capable of reading comprehension). Don't you THINK she WOULD eat a dang carrot in some fashion if she thought she could??? I gather you don't...so let's hammer it into her head until she can't stand it anymore. Brilliant.

Walk a mile in someone else's shoes.

 

[badblackpug]

There is an old saying, you attract more bee's with honey then vinegar.

If puggy truly wanted to help, then puggy would have taken a more diplomatic approach. One could see that the OP wasn't going to just roll over and say

Oh wow, OK!

You cant keep punching someone in the face until they agree with you. In this case, the more resistance OP gave, the harder puggy punched. Puggy wasnt trying to help the OP, puggy was stroking the electronic self esteem[/QUOTE

I forgot, you are a psychiatrist complete with a fake accent. No it has nothing to do with self esteem. You can stroke and kid glove people all you want, but the truth of the matter is that heart disease and diabetes kill, and having had a major cardiac event before the age of 50 will severely effect your life expectancy if not taken seriously. Those are pure facts. I can poo-poo it all you want, but the truth of the matter is that the OP has to accept responsibility for her illness(s) and the treatment of her illness(s). I don't know how you want me to be "diplomatic." I won't lie and say that it is fine to eat a high fat, high carb, high sodium diet, and lead a sedentary life, as long as it is less high fat, less high carb, and less high sodium than it was before. The truth and medical fact is that no one will get the nutrients they need if they do not learn to incorporate some vegetables into their diet.

Please go back and read the OP original post. She blames genetics, and thinks she eats well, yet goes on to say how all her meals are high carb, high fat, high sodium meals. This is pure denial. It is very hard to hear the things we don't want to hear, especially if those choices have lead to a bad outcome.

 

[FireDancer]

I agree with some of this. The Chef I suggested I think is up her ally. Over time, she may grow into more vegetables. And the salads she eats arent horrible, and do get her some fiber.

Small steps in this case. If she uses the Chefs recipes, she can eliminate 70% of her calories from fat off the top. Over time, this will help. Whole Grains, non-digestible carbs, and slowly increasing veges over time will help the OP.

Kicking the OP in the face and insulting the OP wont do anything.

I agree with the last paragraph which is why I said perhaps it wasn't the most diplomatic approach. I tried to be as diplomatic as I could in giving her advice.

I think the small steps thing is a bit overplayed generally. In and right after college I was not a healthy eater and I didn't exercise nearly enough. I had put on about 10 pound and had lost a lot of muscle from before I had a 48 hour/week job and full time course load. I decided to make a change and within a month had it done. It took a month to ween myself off sugar in my coffee but the rest of my eating habits changed in a day. I did slowly learn more and started making better choices but I didn't want to drag out what I needed to do, I just wanted to do it and get it done.

I only say that for two reasons. I think people assume I have always been a healthy eater and athlete but for about 4 years of my life I was not. I stopped my good habits and had to take them back up I just didn't wait until I was 10 years and 100 pounds beyond what I wanted. The other reason is because I am not better than anyone and I don't think I am some superhuman who is capable of things others aren't. Quite the opposite actually.

 

[LSmith]

I agree with some of this. The Chef I suggested I think is up her ally. Over time, she may grow into more vegetables. And the salads she eats arent horrible, and do get her some fiber.

Small steps in this case. If she uses the Chefs recipes, she can eliminate 70% of her calories from fat off the top. Over time, this will help. Whole Grains, non-digestible carbs, and slowly increasing veges over time will help the OP.

Kicking the OP in the face and insulting the OP wont do anything.

The OP has had a heart attack and also has some other very serious life threating health issues. There are really no time for baby steps and coddling. Her life depends on ACTION NOW. Nobody is kicking her in the face. These are life saving changes that are recommended. People do drop dead of heart attacks in their 40's and 50's.

 

[MELSMICE]

I would also have a lot more sympathy if the OP really wanted to change or was really trying.

I could have sworn I read that the OP had lost 16 lbs. in the last 2 months & that her doctor was pleased with the progress she has made and the changes that she has implemented to far.

 

[dngnb8]

No it has nothing to do with self esteem.

I disagree.

You can stroke and kid glove people all you want, but the truth of the matter is that heart disease and diabetes kill, and having had a major cardiac event before the age of 50 will severely effect your life expectancy if not taken seriously. Those are pure facts.

nobody disputed these facts.

I can poo-poo it all you want, but the truth of the matter is that the OP has to accept responsibility for her illness(s) and the treatment of her illness(s).

Again, this isnt the issue.

I don't know how you want me to be "diplomatic." I won't lie and say that it is fine to eat a high fat, high carb, high sodium diet, and lead a sedentary life, as long as it is less high fat, less high carb, and less high sodium than it was before.

Nobody has suggested this. Quit making up responses to assuage your behavior. If youre gonna use this as a rebuttal to act like a bully, then you only reinforce my first response

The truth and medical fact is that no one will get the nutrients they need if they do not learn to incorporate some vegetables into their diet.

Again, this isnt the issue. Still waiting for you to address the issue we are talking about where your posts are concerned

Please go back and read the OP original post. She blames genetics, and thinks she eats well, yet goes on to say how all her meals are high carb, high fat, high sodium meals. This is pure denial. It is very hard to hear the things we don't want to hear, especially if those choices have lead to a bad outcome.

Please go back and see my original response.

So far, you have done nothing to address your posting style. Ignoring that youre brow beating to assuage your self esteem doesnt mean others dont recognize it.

 

[dngnb8]

The OP has had a heart attack and also has some other very serious life threating health issues.

I dont think that has been questioned here

There are really no time for baby steps and coddling.

Talking to someone with simple respect is baby steps and coddling? Really?

Her life depends on ACTION NOW.

And look, she has lost weight and is enlisting help. Doesnt seem like she is doing nothing to me

Nobody is kicking her in the face.

I disagree. Additionally, I am not the only one

These are life saving changes that are recommended. People do drop dead of heart attacks in their 40's and 50's.

Really? They Do? Golly gee whiz, that is info that hasnt been brought to light before!

This isnt a reality tv show where drill sergeant personalities bring in viewers. Acting like Anna isnt going to get this OP to do anything but leave the thread

Truly, if you and others are concerned about the OP, then you would recognize that the "IN YOUR FACE" style isnt going to work. So essentially, youre only contributing to burying her.

 

[LSmith]

Truly, if you and others are concerned about the OP, then you would recognize that the "IN YOUR FACE" style isnt going to work. So essentially, youre only contributing to burying her.

Talk about shooting the messenger! So it's my fault if she has another heart attack? Honest to god.

BTW I have no idea what you are talking about with reality tv. Don't watch it. Never have.

 

[Tinkh]

Just wanted to say good luck! Also, I wanted to add that if you add an exercise program to your life then you should be able to lower your cholesterol and blood sugars much easier. That will give you more flexibility in your strict diet. I know that seems overwhelming, but you can do it! Anyone can. Sure, there are days that I dread going to the gym because I am tired or whatever but those days I always end up coming home feeling a thousand times better because the gym ends up making me feel awesome afterwards.

 

[punkin]

I agree with some of this. The Chef I suggested I think is up her ally. Over time, she may grow into more vegetables. And the salads she eats arent horrible, and do get her some fiber.

Small steps in this case. If she uses the Chefs recipes, she can eliminate 70% of her calories from fat off the top. Over time, this will help. Whole Grains, non-digestible carbs, and slowly increasing veges over time will help the OP.

Kicking the OP in the face and insulting the OP wont do anything.

I agree with everything you said except for the bolded. Those salads are a travesty and add ALMOST NOTHING to her diet. Fiber in romaine is negligible. It does have beta carotene and some vitamin C but really to call that a salad is unconscionable!

 

[badblackpug]

Yes, badblackpug was making perfect sense. The problem on this board is that you can say pretty much anything about anyone but if you dare give advice on healthy eating - even asked by someone (the OP) whose life is clearly at stake - you will be shredded by the masses here. Nobody wants to hear it. They want to be coddled and they will be here. Tough love need not apply.

Mods are always quick to shut down these forums in favor of the masses.

Yes, the OP asked for advice, unfortunately for her, she received advice she didn't want to hear. I think you need to be honest with people, particularly in situations like the OP's. She had a life threatening event, and will now have to live the rest of her life with life threatening illnesses. She has had a heart attack. That is major damage to her cardiac muscle at a very early age. This is a very, very serious thing. The younger you have a heart attack the greater the damage to your heart because your body hasn't had the years to develop the collateral circulation that a 70 year old has had. There isn't time for "baby steps." Drastic change needs to be made. NOW before it is too late.

I meant after a while because it appears from the OP that she has been told over and over long before she posted here what she needs to do (eat more vegetables) but is resisting. I got the impression that she is basically forum shopping for the info she wants to hear as opposed to the info she needs to hear.

Personally I want blunt. I would much rather have a doctor be blunt with me than beat around the bush or try to massage my ego while giving me information. I want the facts plain and simple and if my lifestyle is causing me health problems put it out there in black and white what I need to do and I'll do it. This is even more crucial for the OP who has had a heart attack already. If I had survived a heart attack and was told how to prevent another I'd be all in, not find ways to avoid doing it.



Believe me, I know it. There have been a lot of great threads about the obesity epidemic in the country that was a great conversation until someone started complaining and it got closed. The country in general would rather make excuses or ignore the problem than discuss it rationally instead of emotionally.

It has since been reversed but at one point the word skinny was quite literally a banned word here. If you typed it out is was changed to ****** just like you typed a slur or swear word.

I agree with Frank. It seems to me the OP was looking for someone to justify her point of view. To give her a little stroke and make her feel better about not making the changes she knows she has to make. I am sure she has been told by quite a few other people, especially considering that she has been in the hospital and probably seen nurses, doctors, dietitians, etc, that she needs to change her diet, and this change needs to include consumption of some vegetables, and decreasing carbs. Most people do not follow through when the message is subtle. People need to be told what is wrong, in concrete terms, and how to fix it. The little subtleties just turn into excuses... "well the doctor said he was happy with my progress, SO FAR." More than likely the doctor said "this is a start, but you need to...."

The reason the OP's test numbers have improved are because she is on medicine, which will, of course, lower your cholesterol, blood sugar, and blood pressure...and because she has lost weight. The thing with type II diabetes is that you pancreas still makes insulin, just not enough insulin for your body habitus. Smaller body, less demand for insulin. The major issue with controlling diabetes is carb control. That means cutting way down on your consumption of simple carbs (anything made with white flour or sugar, rice, potatoes, corn, fruit) and limiting your intake of complex carbs (whole grains)

You can be thin and still eat an unhealthy diet. It's not all about just losing the weight.

I disagree.



nobody disputed these facts.



Again, this isnt the issue.



Nobody has suggested this. Quit making up responses to assuage your behavior. If youre gonna use this as a rebuttal to act like a bully, then you only reinforce my first response



Again, this isnt the issue. Still waiting for you to address the issue we are talking about where your posts are concerned



Please go back and see my original response.

So far, you have done nothing to address your posting style. Ignoring that youre brow beating to assuage your self esteem doesnt mean others dont recognize it.

My suggestion to you, then, since you don't care for my "style" is to ignore my future posts.

 

[Jennasis]

Since the OP has left, and the tone here is well...what it is, I feel pretty sure this thread is on life support. Let's pull the plug with a jazz hands just for you OP!

 

[dngnb8]

Talk about shooting the messenger! So it's my fault if she has another heart attack? Honest to god.

Got it, you can treat her with disrespect, but you get your undershorts in a wad if you are.

Thank you for making my point.

 

[dngnb8]

I agree with everything you said except for the bolded. Those salads are a travesty and add ALMOST NOTHING to her diet. Fiber in romaine is negligible. It does have beta carotene and some vitamin C but really to call that a salad is unconscionable!

Could it be better, sure. Could it be worse, absolutely. Baby steps.

 

[dngnb8]

My suggestion to you, then, since you don't care for my "style" is to ignore my future posts.

And here we have the virtual white flag post. After numerous posts dodging the issue, knee jerk dont read my posts response.


Ironic, dont you think?

 

[Jennasis]

Ah ah ah! Now dngnb8, respect the jazz hands

 

[dngnb8]

Ah ah ah! Now dngnb8, respect the jazz hands

Typical bully poster. Never fails, push them far enough and the knee jerk

Dont read my posts

Two things that bully posters cant respond too. Treating them as they treat others and logic.

See ya when I get back from my vacation.

 

[LSmith]

Got it, you can treat her with disrespect, but you get your undershorts in a wad if you are.

Thank you for making my point.

Where have I shown the OP disrespect??