SERIOUS neighbor problems LONG

nkjzmom

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Let me take a deep breath before typing this. I'm either going to cry or blow my lid!

Monday DD5 came inside and spelled the F word for me!!!!! I calmly questioned her as to where she heard it and does she know what it is...it's a bad word, and the girl across the street told it to her. I was furious! We have had other problems with this family over the last few months. My kids were not even allowed to play there anymore. I wanted them here just to keep an eye on them...I guess I should have been keeping an ear also.

Well, I was too upset to do anything about it at that point. We are a very religious family so we talked it over and I prayed about it and decided today I would call the mother and talk to her about it. I expected a defensive and angry reaction so I prepared myself and called.

I stayed very calm and told her that something had happened earlier this week that I wanted to tell her about so that she could talk to her kids about it. I told her that her D had shared some words with my DD and told her specifically the words she used. (I didn't say them, just gave her the first letters). She was relatively calm and said she'd talk to them about it. And we hung up. Two minutes later she calls back yelling at me that I'm lying and how dare I make up these stories about her kids because I think we're better than them, etc. She accused my kids of saying them to her kids...she accused me of not feeding my children and not taking care of them because when they come over they ask to have whatever snacks her kids are having (what kids don't ask to share someone's snack?), she went so far as to accuse me of having BOYFRIENDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! She called my children liars and brats.

I was so angry. I felt like I was talking to someone so full of hate that it made me sick. My heart was beating almost through my chest, my voice was shaking....but I somehow remained calm and never raised my voice. I felt like the words were flowing from mouth without my thinking about them. Maybe I should have hung up, but I honestly wanted to defend myself and my position. I explained that all children want snacks...her kids are always asking my kids to ask me if they can have something. I explained that the cars with young men she sees are my brothers (I am the oldest of 6 children....they are always coming and going). I asked her to rethink her anger and accusations because I was not calling to make her feel or look bad (which she had also accused me of) but that I was calling as a mother who does not use these words AT ALL and would expect to know what my children are learning/saying/doing so that I can talk to them about it and let them know what's right and wrong. Somewhere she mentioned that her children would NEVER use those words because they know they'd get a "whoopin"...so I calmly reminded her that they probably also wouldn't tell her the truth if they did BECAUSE they'd get that "whoopin".

We do not use language like that, nor do any of our good friends and family. I told her I was sure that she would not want her children to use or hear these words (although I know they use them at home, I've heard them use them out in their yard but she wasn't going to admit that to me now was she?) I ended the phone call almost in tears but feeling like I had control over the situation and had let her know that I hadn't called to say "My kids are better than your kids" but that I was concerned about things her kids were learning and to explain that the four of them will not be playing together any longer. As a matter of fact, I told her that I loved her kids, they are decent kids...but the four of them were bringing each other down, not building each other up...that's why they should take a break from each other.

For background, we've lived in this neighborhood for 2 years and our kids have played wonderfully with all of the other kids. This summer when this family moved in our DS8 got into two pushing fights with their S6. Their son is rough with our DDs 5 and 3 and calls them "little girls" all the time and Nicholas has warned him many times not to do that....I guess these two times Nicholas had had enough. We talked with the dad...grounded Nicholas from a few things and let him know that fighting was never an option (except to protect yourself), etc. It hasn't happened since. But I've had these kids come into the kitchen and just follow me around talking to me about "stuff"....like they can't get enough of someone actually listening to them. There was an incident with a girl down the street who spent the night at their house and taking clothes off and kissing and touching and these kids mother telling her kids to keep it a secret. I talked to them about it and told them that secrets like that are not good.....I probably should have contacted that girls mother and let her know so she could have at least made sure her daughter was alright. But I didn't.

Sorry that I've written a novel. I just feel terrible and angry and yet justified but I don't want to come off as proud. Can anyone relate? My husband is out of town for the day so I called my mom and she was really worried that this family may do something really stupid like call DHR and make up some lies about our family to get us in trouble. So now I'm a bit nervous. When I hung up with the neighbor she was MUCH more calm...I think because she realized what a fool she was making out of herself and she realized that I was not judging her...just concerned and wanting to protect my kids.

Can someone send me some love over here????
 
WOW!!!...What a difficult situation.....I'll I can offer is {{{{{HUGS}}}}.....Good luck.....
 
*****HUGS*****

You handled things so much better than I could have. That was a very difficult situation.
 

{{{Hugs}}}

It sounds like you handled it well. When you said that the words were flowing without you thinking about them, it reminded me of how the Bible says we don't have to prepare a defense because God will give us the words. It sounds like that's what happened to you (congrats for being level headed enough to pray before you called!), so you don't need to worry about what you said. I'm sure she heard what she was supposed to hear.
 
Thanks for all the kind words!!


mhopset....that did cross my mind but she is WAY WAY BIGGER than me!!!! Plus I'm donating a kidney to my brother next week and don't want to damage the merchandise!!!

Kermit...I know exactly what you're referring to and that's how I felt afterwards also.

I've been trying to contact a few neighbors, just to let them know so that if anything DOES happen I'll have some supporters in the area.
 
Well, this is a frustrating and unpleasant situation for you. Sorry you are having to deal with it.

I'm not going to offer advice just cyber {{{HUGS}}}
 
I think most neighborhoods have someone like that:D Keep your kids away and don't get into any confrontations, those types of people usually bring on their own trouble.
 
You handled the situation perfectly and I wouldn't fret about it for one minute..

And what a wonderful thing you're doing for your brother! You must be a very, very special person..

Lots of love and hugs coming your way!!!

Have a wonderful Thanksgiving!! :)
C.Ann
 
Nkjzmom you handled the situation very well. :D I think Kermit was right, the prayers helped.

I hope your kidney donation goes smoothly and that you and your brother have a speedy healing time. What a very good thing for you to do!!

Happy Thanksgiving!

Annemarie
 
{{{hugs}}}

You did good. :)
 
nkjzmom, I feeel for you, After rearing my 2 kids, I see nothing has changed with foul language. I live in a condo complex, and just tonight as I was walking my dog, 2 13 yearold girls were calling to a 9 year old boy. One of the girls called him a f****** ***. I couldn't believe she said that in my presence.
:mad: This is not the first time I've heard pre-teens & younger teens talking like that. They come from "good families", but I think somehow using shocking language makes them feel cool. I almost want to laugh at them and tell them what jerks they are, but sadly they wouldn't get it.

It's good you mentioned it to the mother, but I doubt it will do any good. Mothers can be defensive and not believe their kids would talk like that.

I rember a movie that Barbra Streisand was in where she played a foul talking prosticute. She met a high class man who told her people who use swear words did so because they were ignorant people who didn't know proper english to express their feelings. She took to scouring the dictionary for "proper" words to tell her so called friends off. It did put them in their place.
 
I admire your up-front approach! Now your neighbor will know the real reason when your kids and hers aren't playing together. You know your neighbor's kids are probably using these words because they hear them at home.

TC:cool:
 
There was an incident with a girl down the street who spent the night at their house and taking clothes off and kissing and touching and these kids mother telling her kids to keep it a secret. I talked to them about it and told them that secrets like that are not good.....I probably should have contacted that girls mother and let her know so she could have at least made sure her daughter was alright. But I didn't.

How would you feel if your child had been in that situation and another neighbor knew about it and did nothing? I think you need to get your priorities straight and call that girls parents and have them talk to her about it. Molestation is far worse than saying a 4 letter word.
 
Well, let's see. .

I personally think you over-reacted to your daughter having that word spelled to her and repeating it to you. . . yes, it is certainly not a word a five-year-old should be repeating, but unless you lock your kids in the house sooner or later they are bound to be exposed to it at some point- and while I think it's important to make your daughter understand that she shouldn't repeat it, I don't get why it would be that upsetting to you. . . And why is it a religous issue?? To me it's about proper, decent social conduct, not faith. . .

Having said that, I think you were right to let the mother of the kid know what was going on, and it sure sounds like she was waaay out of line in how she reacted. . . Unless you get a very sincere apology, I'd just keep my whole family away from them as much as possible. . .

And I have to say I agree with Cajun Dixie- if you have knowledge of an innapropiate incident, you should let the parent of the kid involved know about it. . I also find that much more serious then the the foul word being spelled. . .

Good luck with this, and much luck and prayers on your surgery! What a very loving, giving, and brave thing to do for your brother. . :) :)
 
Alright....thanks for the MOSTLY supportive replies!!

Jason.....bring it on...............bring it on!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Just watch the kidneys.....

I guess I wasn't as clear as I should have been about the incident with the other girl. It was the kids playing and daring each other to kiss each other, etc. I don't quite know that that qualifies as MOLESTATION...and I have tried talking to this girl's mother ever since we moved here and she is extremely odd and hardly speaks to ANYONE. I can't get any phone calls through to her and when I've walked to their home she always is too busy to come to the door. But you all are right...perhaps I could try harder. Any ideas Cajun Dixie and WillyJ?

WillyJ, my religion is my life....everything I do/think/feel is affected by my religious belief. I just made a point of mentioning the fact that prayer helped ME to be calm and I believe helped me to say the right things to avoid any further "ugliness". I didn't bring it up to my neighbor because obviously it IS about good social conduct, not what their religious beliefs are....but MY reaction to it was tied to my beliefs.

Also....my kids sooner or later will be exposed to nudity and violence....but do I want to bring it into my own home???? No. That's like saying, "Oh Mom, we hear worse things at school. So we should be able to listen to this music, or watch that movie." Nope, sorry, not going to cut it with me. And this wasn't the first time something off the wall has happened with this family. As I mentioned earlier, there have been a couple of fights and also a few instances of "sneaking" of things from our house. So it's not the first time I've had to deal with problems from these kids. This is just the first time I've felt like I've had it and I'm done trying to "clean up" after them. It will just stop.

Hope everyone has a wonderful Turkey Day!!

Amy
 
Well, it sounds to me like you handled it well.

I'd keep my kids as far away from theirs as possible. I would make no further effort to contact them in any way. I'dpretend they didn't exist. I wouldn't go out of my way to look for or cause trouble. I'd adopt an attitude of indifference.

If your kids ask why they can't play with the kids across the street, I'd tell them that you are worried about some of the things they hear/learn over there. If those kids come and ask to play with your children, I'd nicely tell them no. Unfortunately, as in most cases, kids who have kooky parents suffer because these kinds of things happen and their kids have no friends because all of the other parents eventually get tired of dealing with all the baloney. Too bad their parents aren't smart enough to figure it out.

We have neighbors who are like that...not with regard to kids, because neither of us have them, but in regard to noise,property lines etc in the neighborhood. I just ignore them. I don't egg them on, but I pay no attention to them either. Keeps life in the neighborhood calm.
 
I am so sorry you are going through this! {{{HUGS}}} and prayers!
 
Amy,

I apologize if I misunderstood you. . I thought you objected to the word based on a religious principle , which I didn't understand- my fault for misreading what you wrote. . :)

And my point was not that you didn't have a good reason to be upset, and I agree it was certainly necessary to teach your daughter that the word was innapropiate and she was not to use it in any manner again in your home again and it was right to let the other mother know what had happened. . . it's just that I would guess your daughter had no idea what it even means (I didn't catch the age of the kid who told her the word, but if they were in the same age range it's more then likely they didn't know what it meant either) and I honestly didn't understand why that one incident would cause you to be so furious . . seemed like a relatively minor "kid" thing to me. .

But now that you've explained it further, I can see it was more of a "the straw that broke the camels back" type thing. . . and as I said, considering the reaction of their mother, I would just keep your children away from them as much as possible. . .

As far as the other situation; I used the term "inappropriate behavior" not molestation. . and if the woman is so standoffish she won't come to the door or answer the phone then I suppose there isn't much you can do. . although if it's something you feel she should be aware of, you might write her a note explaining what you heard happened and put in on her door- at least you'd know you did your best.

I know it's difficult enough raising kids these days, and having loons for neighbors just makes it that much tougher. . :(

Good luck with everything, and I hope you had a happy Thanksgiving. . :)
 





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