Serenity Bay Beach changes

[OKW Lover]

they have shown time and again they DON'T want money from DINKs

I don't see this.

 

[JimmyV]

This is one move that cannot be linked directly to revenue, (at least as far as I can see). Instead, it allows parents traveling with teens to break free from their children, and allows the children to break free from their parents, but still be in relative proximity. I think people are dismissing too quickly the idea of a 150-200 foot buffer area. That is plenty big enough to prevent the adult beach from being overrun by the sights, sounds and smells of teens who, from the posts here, should be cordoned off and made invisible. It makes perfect sense for families to remain in relative close proximity without actually being on top of one another. This seems like a decent compromise. And the horrors (!!!) of having to share a bathroom or a tram with 16 year olds! Please. And let's not forget that the teens want to hang out with the adults even LESS than the adults want the teens to hang out with them. So don't expect SB to be transformed into a teen beach.

 

[AquaDame]

I don't see this.

Thats fine. Personally I feel that taking away privacy for adults to make more room for kids draws a line in the sand. They can keep calling them adult only areas but if they park them next door its not really private. They're already in the pool area and Cove Cafe... Disney hardened up the alcohol policy and is closing the hot tubs earlier in the evenings as well. I feel like all of this lessens the experience for people without kids.

 

[JimmyV]

They can keep calling them adult only areas but if they park them next door its not really private.

I agree. But that is why they are not putting them right next door. A 200 foot buffer (to the closest edge of SB) is almost the length of a football field. And if you are at the middle of SB, it will be more than the length of a football field. This will not result in sand getting kicked in your face or frisbees knocking over your piña colada.

 

[Happy100]

If this is indeed true, I am hoping it is tween and not teen.

 

[stitchlovestink]

I agree. I wouldn't have an issue necessarily with the adult areas being 16+ as long as they are with a parent/guardian but next to Serenity Bay is a stupid area for a teen beach. I don't think there will be a lot of serenity there much longer.

Too difficult to monitor 16+. KTTW cards are designed for under 18, 18 to 20, and 21 and up. It's hard enough on CMs keeping the kids out of the adult only areas and honestly they can wait until they are 18. They won't die...I promise!

Last time I checked, DCL has been voted best cruise line for Families year after year. This will help solidify this, now parents can eat lunch with their teens. What a wonderful concept

That is what Cookies BBQ and Cookies Too BBQ are for! FAMILIES with kids that are not adult ages!!! YOU can eat at either one of those with your teens!! Novel concept!!! Serenity Bay BBQ Is reserved for Adults. Adults are 18 years of age and older.....not 16, not 15, not 17. Eat at Cookies with your teen that is under 18. Thank you.

 

[over50visits]

Last time I checked, DCL has been voted best cruise line for Families year after year. This will help solidify this, now parents can eat lunch with their teens. What a wonderful concept

Huh? I strongly disagree with the implication that until now parent could not eat lunch with their teens. We have done it for years at cookies.

Disney smartly has adult "retreats" for quiet enjoyment, such as SB, Palo, adult pool, clubs, etc. None of these detract in the least from the family atmosphere of the cruise, IMHO.

I think we're all guessing as to bathrooms, and whether the food service there will be open to teens now. I agree completely there is the possibility of losing forever the quiet retreat atmosphere of SB that so many people love. We'll see.

 

[Uncleromulus]

I agree. But that is why they are not putting them right next door. A 200 foot buffer (to the closest edge of SB) is almost the length of a football field. And if you are at the middle of SB, it will be more than the length of a football field. This will not result in sand getting kicked in your face or frisbees knocking over your piña colada.

Don't worry--it'll be just like the "adult" area at local swimming clubs--the Teens/Tweens will look at the buffer and think it's just for them to occupy as their own. And there will be no one from DCL to put a stop to it.

As noted kids often infiltrate adult areas on the ship and no one says a thing--this will be no different.

 

[JimmyV]

Wow. People are either really bad at reading maps, or really bad at reading comprehension, or both. Let's recap here, and see if we can find the post where it has been announced that the Serenity Bay BBQ will now be open to teens and other Reform School miscreants...

From the pylons to the left will be a "tween beach" with at 150 to 200 foot buffer in front of the bar, and then the Serenity Bay Beach.

OK. So the buffer is in front of the bar. This is the DMZ. The 38th parallel. The No Fly Zone. The Line In The Sand. So where is that buffer in relation to the buffet? Well, it stands to reason that if the BBQ is anywhere near the bar, then the buffer zone will be in front of the buffet as well. You know? Just like the old math/logic problem? If A=B and B=C, then A=C? Make "A" the buffer, and make B the bar. A=B. Buffer near bar. So, if bar is near buffet, (in other words, if B=C), then the buffer will be near the buffet and the buffet will be past the area where teens are permitted. So...is the bar near the buffet? Let's have a look...

Red arrow Castaway Air Bar
Blue arrow - entrance to buffet (actually outside the Serenity Bay entrance)
Orange arrow - buffet (with seating in the white area just below it)
View attachment 125115

Red arrow is bar. Blue arrow is entrance to buffet. Are they close to one another? I'd have to give that a "yes". So.....the buffet is within the buffer zone. It is not in the area where teens (or tweens, if we ever clear that up), will be permitted.

And if that weren't clear enough, we have the following colloquy that many must have missed. But it is worth repeating:

So the tween beach is going to be on the left side, before the bar (red arrow)... Where there is a lot of trees?

That is correct, to the left of the red arrow, then 150 to200 buffer and the adult just to the right of the path to the beach

Will the evil children ignore the buffer zone and cross the 38th parallel? Well, I suppose it is convenient to assume that these kids on the Disney ships are all n'er-do-wells and want nothing more than to mess with the adults. We have been told as much...

As noted kids often infiltrate adult areas on the ship and no one says a thing--this will be no different.

Yes, this will be no different. It will be just like the kids who bust through the doors at Palo. That happens daily, right? No? They don't? But why? There are CMs who stop that from happening. But if people want to imagine and then assume the worst, nothing can stop that from happening.

So from all that, we have a post that uses the key word "if".

The ocean is big, but the Serenity Bay BBQ area is not. If the teens can also use the dining area, there may need to be expansion.

Up to this point, there has been no suggestion that this will be the case, and the maps above pretty much prove that it will not be the case. But I suppose that people want to believe that the Bahamian sky is falling, and that teen-generated food fights are about to descend on Serenity BBQ.

And so the paranoia grows.

I to wonder about the dinning area. its so close to where the teen beach will be but if they get to use it then whats the point of serenity beach.

There's that word again. "If". But where did it come from? Why is this even a question? On a scale of 1 to 10, with "1" being a metaphysical impossibility and "10" being a moral certainty, (that was a nod to the The McLaughlin Group), what do you think the probability is that DCL is going to take the solitary "adult only" dining venue and turn it into a Reform School cafeteria? I'm at "1" on this. "2" at the most.

Last time I checked, DCL has been voted best cruise line for Families year after year. This will help solidify this, now parents can eat lunch with their teens. What a wonderful concept

And the paranoia and confusion has now grown to certainty. "Now" parents can eat with their teens at the Serenity Bay BBQ. So let it be written. So let it be done. And that is based on what, exactly? To paraphrase the Talking Heads..."How did we get here?" We have gone from a 150 to 200 foot buffer that sits in front of the buffet to "if" kids can use the buffet, to "now" kids can use the buffet. Folks...this is a lesson on the old game of "telephone" and how it plays out on the internet.

 

[Expatriat]

Considering the proposed "buffer" area, how would the teens arrive at "Serenity" and get to "their" beach without passing through that buffer area every time, whether on the beach or by the bar or between the BBQ and the restrooms?

 

[tinkerone]

Wow. People are either really bad at reading maps, or really bad at reading comprehension, or both. Let's recap here, and see if we can find the post where it has been announced that the Serenity Bay BBQ will now be open to teens and other Reform School miscreants...



OK. So the buffer is in front of the bar. This is the DMZ. The 38th parallel. The No Fly Zone. The Line In The Sand. So where is that buffer in relation to the buffet? Well, it stands to reason that if the BBQ is anywhere near the bar, then the buffer zone will be in front of the buffet as well. You know? Just like the old math/logic problem? If A=B and B=C, then A=C? Make "A" the buffer, and make B the bar. A=B. Buffer near bar. So, if bar is near buffet, (in other words, if B=C), then the buffer will be near the buffet and the buffet will be past the area where teens are permitted. So...is the bar near the buffet? Let's have a look...



Red arrow is bar. Blue arrow is entrance to buffet. Are they close to one another? I'd have to give that a "yes". So.....the buffet is within the buffer zone. It is not in the area where teens (or tweens, if we ever clear that up), will be permitted.

And if that weren't clear enough, we have the following colloquy that many must have missed. But it is worth repeating:





Will the evil children ignore the buffer zone and cross the 38th parallel? Well, I suppose it is convenient to assume that these kids on the Disney ships are all n'er-do-wells and want nothing more than to mess with the adults. We have been told as much...

Yes, this will be no different. It will be just like the kids who bust through the doors at Palo. That happens daily, right? No? They don't? But why? There are CMs who stop that from happening. But if people want to imagine and then assume the worst, nothing can stop that from happening.

So from all that, we have a post that uses the key word "if".


Up to this point, there has been no suggestion that this will be the case, and the maps above pretty much prove that it will not be the case. But I suppose that people want to believe that the Bahamian sky is falling, and that teen-generated food fights are about to descend on Serenity BBQ.

And so the paranoia grows.


There's that word again. "If". But where did it come from? Why is this even a question? On a scale of 1 to 10, with "1" being a metaphysical impossibility and "10" being a moral certainty, (that was a nod to the The McLaughlin Group), what do you think the probability is that DCL is going to take the solitary "adult only" dining venue and turn it into a Reform School cafeteria? I'm at "1" on this. "2" at the most.


And the paranoia and confusion has now grown to certainty. "Now" parents can eat with their teens at the Serenity Bay BBQ. So let it be written. So let it be done. And that is based on what, exactly? To paraphrase the Talking Heads..."How did we get here?" We have gone from a 150 to 200 foot buffer that sits in front of the buffet to "if" kids can use the buffet, to "now" kids can use the buffet. Folks...this is a lesson on the old game of "telephone" and how it plays out on the internet.

wow, you sure like to pick things apart. i don't see where anyone said it has been announced, in fact i don't see where anyone says anything has been announced other that the op saying he was told by a cm, which we all know is nothing. everyone is speculating, wishing and hoping.
maybe you should not read so much into the 'if's and 'now's that seem to pop out to you. not saying you should not comment on this but be kind. maybe i'm reading this wrong but it sure looks mean. sorry if i'm wrong.

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

I am not thrilled with this possible plan.


However maybe we need to wait and see what.if anything happens? *IF*, *MAYBES* and *DISNEY WILL DO THIS OR THAT * doesn't count at this point.

AKK

 

[JimmyV]

Considering the proposed "buffer" area, how would the teens arrive at "Serenity" and get to "their" beach without passing through that buffer area every time, whether on the beach or by the bar or between the BBQ and the restrooms?

It is likely that people heading toward the teen beach would board a tram that heads down the landing strip and stops near the Serenity Bay Tram Stop, and then a new foot path would be cut taking them to the newly created beach area.

 

[The Sasquatch]

One more reason to stop cruising with Disney and take my business to another line.

Really??? LOL

 

[JimmyV]

wow, you sure like to pick things apart.

You can call it "picking things apart". I call it critical analysis.

i don't see where anyone said it has been announced,

That is the whole point. This discussion is devolving into a dispute as to whether or not it is a good thing that parents can eat with their teens at SB, when it has never been announced that this would happen. Go back and re-read posts #s 46 and 47. These disagreements cannot even begin to take place until one leaps to the conclusion that this is in fact happening.

maybe i'm reading this wrong but it sure looks mean. sorry if i'm wrong.

Yes, you are wrong. This isn't mean. It is a re-cap of what has been said to try to re-ground the thread so it doesn't head off in an improper direction. You are correct that there has been no announcement regarding a change to Serenity Bay BBQ, and it is highly, highly unlikely that there is ever going to be one. But you cannot deny that there are posts in this thread where people are arguing over the plusses and minuses of "now" allowing teens to dine with their parents. Again, see posts #s 46 and 47. When people start using phrases like "now parents can eat with their teens" and "until now, parents could eat with their teens", the implication is clear that there has been a change. But there has not. There is absolutely no reason at this point to say "if teens can eat there", or "now that teens can eat there". Hopefully, this is now crystal clear and the debate can be chopped off. Sorry if you read my post with any other intent.

 

[Expatriat]

It is likely that people heading toward the teen beach would board a tram that heads down the landing strip and stops near the Serenity Bay Tram Stop, and then a new foot path would be cut taking them to the newly created beach area.

Unless they make it a very long hike, I don't see where they could put a footpath that would not intersect the adult areas. But as has been posted, the entire scenario is hypothetical and based on hearsay thus far, correct? If we dwell on this too much we may start imagining the planned construction of super-structures in the water for teen recreation and view degradation.

 

[JimmyV]

Unless they make it a very long hike, I don't see where they could put a footpath that would not intersect the adult areas. But as has been posted, the entire scenario is hypothetical and based on hearsay thus far, correct? If we dwell on this too much we may start imagining the planned construction of super-structures in the water for teen recreation and view degradation.

I think that the tram stop would have to intersect with the adult tram stop. Oh, the horrors! And the walk over to the teen beach will probably not be one that a teen would consider to be too long. Especially when it results in getting away from the adults! The idea that the teens want to hang out with the adults is getting blown out of proportion. (EDIT TO ADD: I just looked at it on a map. There is already the faint outline of an existing path, and the straight-line distance from the tram stop to the new beach would be about 270 yards at the most.) But you are correct. No need to speculate. Before too long, people will start posting that there is going to be a sea plane that will take the teens to their beach and the engine noise will interfere with the serenity of Serenity Bay.

 

[The Sasquatch]

Just to offer some insight to the people posting without kids ...





Teen Beach Movie is a huge moneymaker for Disney and I would bet this is a direct response to recent feedback about DCL not having enough activities for teens.

I think its a brilliant new add for CC and look forward to how it develops in the future. Great job Disney and for us it may mean staying with DCL as kids get older.

 

[tinkerone]

You can call it "picking things apart". I call it critical analysis.

That is the whole point. This discussion is devolving into a dispute as to whether or not it is a good thing that parents can eat with their teens at SB, when it has never been announced that this would happen. Go back and re-read posts #s 46 and 47. These disagreements cannot even begin to take place until one leaps to the conclusion that this is in fact happening.


Yes, you are wrong. This isn't mean. It is a re-cap of what has been said to try to re-ground the thread so it doesn't head off in an improper direction. You are correct that there has been no announcement regarding a change to Serenity Bay BBQ, and it is highly, highly unlikely that there is ever going to be one. But you cannot deny that there are posts in this thread where people are arguing over the plusses and minuses of "now" allowing teens to dine with their parents. Again, see posts #s 46 and 47. When people start using phrases like "now parents can eat with their teens" and "until now, parents could eat with their teens", the implication is clear that there has been a change. But there has not. There is absolutely no reason at this point to say "if teens can eat there", or "now that teens can eat there". Hopefully, this is now crystal clear and the debate can be chopped off. Sorry if you read my post with any other intent.

do you really feel that 'critical analysis' is needed on a discussion board? its a discussion board! if you analysis everything your gong to go insane. no two people think exactly alike. i still don't see anyone saying it has been announced or that it is for sure going to happen regardless of anyone saying 'now'. its a discussion board. rumours fly around here all the time. daily. its a discussion board!!
your post did nothing to try and re-ground the thread. if that was your goal then you should have said exactly what tonka's skipper said in post #52. it was excellent and did what you wanted without calling people out.

 

[The Sasquatch]

Too difficult to monitor 16+. KTTW cards are designed for under 18, 18 to 20, and 21 and up. It's hard enough on CMs keeping the kids out of the adult only areas and honestly they can wait until they are 18. They won't die...I promise!



That is what Cookies BBQ and Cookies Too BBQ are for! FAMILIES with kids that are not adult ages!!! YOU can eat at either one of those with your teens!! Novel concept!!! Serenity Bay BBQ Is reserved for Adults. Adults are 18 years of age and older.....not 16, not 15, not 17. Eat at Cookies with your teen that is under 18. Thank you.

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