Selling - Have Blue Card Questions

[thanxfornoticin]

And there are also different levels of restrictions/entitlements. For example, we have resale points that were purchased and grandfathered for the DVC-Y perks, like APs and discounts and stays at the newer WDW resorts. But we bought resale too late to have them included for other options, like cruises and stays in other locations like Tokyo Disney. So there are several dates, lines in the sand, that resale buyers have to be aware of - and direct buyers do not. So even DVC-Y doesn't necessarily get you everything, unless it's a direct contract.

 

[Sandisw]

And there are also different levels of restrictions/entitlements. For example, we have resale points that were purchased and grandfathered for the DVC-Y perks, like APs and discounts and stays at the newer WDW resorts. But we bought resale too late to have them included for other options, like cruises and stays in other locations like Tokyo Disney. So there are several dates, lines in the sand, that resale buyers have to be aware of - and direct buyers do not. So even DVC-Y doesn't necessarily get you everything, unless it's a direct contract.

To clarify, the DVC Y is not related to where you can use points….someone can buy 100 points today direct, use them everywhere and for cruises, etc, and be DVC ND, because they don’t have 150.

Just like a person who is DVC Y because they have enough direct or grandfathered points, and buys resale today, won’t be able to use those new points at the new resorts.

 

[Chili327]

To clarify, the DVC Y is not related to where you can use points….someone can buy 100 points today direct, use them everywhere and for cruises, etc, and be DVC ND, because they don’t have 150.

Just like a person who is DVC Y because they have enough direct or grandfathered points, and buys resale today, won’t be able to use those new points at the new resorts.

Got me thinking…

Is there any scenario where you own 150 direct, but still don’t get benefits, like let’s say on vacation using other points?

 

[atthebeachclub]

FL timeshare law considers perks incidental benefits so they can come and go as they please,

DVC isn’t in charge of the procures such as tickets, etc. so they can’t guarantee it when parks and resort oversees its. They have to rely on others to approve. And yes, it’s a big corporation, but each division has their own metrics, and just like we saw after Covid when they stopped the sale, DVC had no way of getting special access for owners….

That is why no one should ever buy for perks…but if you want the potential for them, direct is what needs to happen. For us, it does.

The bigger direct plus..which isn’t tied to membership extras in anyway,,,is the ability to stay at all resorts now and in the future…I don’t want points that are not good everywhere, unless they are RIV, which is okay since we will stay there every trip.

It’s helpful to know some of this is based in timeshare law. But it still gives me a lot of pause. Our family won’t buy Riviera no matter how nice the actual resort is primarily because we don’t like the Skyliner. It was definitely not for my kids and I wasn’t a huge fan either.

If a walking distance resort comes up with a reasonable buy in or they add a walking path for Riviera, we could reconsider, though I am also not in love with the point chart, or of course the restrictions on sale. Basically all combined, a lot of what is on offer at the moment is just a no go for us.

 

[GrumpyInPhilly]

It’s helpful to know some of this is based in timeshare law. But it still gives me a lot of pause. Our family won’t buy Riviera no matter how nice the actual resort is primarily because we don’t like the Skyliner. It was definitely not for my kids and I wasn’t a huge fan either.

If a walking distance resort comes up with a reasonable buy in or they add a walking path for Riviera, we could reconsider, though I am also not in love with the point chart, or of course the restrictions on sale. Basically all combined, a lot of what is on offer at the moment is just a no go for us.

Same here.

 

[DVCsloth]

Got me thinking…

Is there any scenario where you own 150 direct, but still don’t get benefits, like let’s say on vacation using other points?

I think they would get a lot of push back from people if they got this strict with it. Say you have the minimum, but you are booking moonlight magic stay on resale points that are not eligible, and Disney won't let you attend. I think that would be a little too much.

 

[Chili327]

I think they would get a lot of push back from people if they got this strict with it. Say you have the minimum, but you are booking moonlight magic stay on resale points that are not eligible, and Disney won't let you attend. I think that would be a little too much.

I would agree. It would add to the “Disney is too confusing/too much hassle” crowd.

 

[that1jeff]

They always have that info in the information. It says “must be eligible for membership extras”.

Of course, there could be things, like the MB that are exclusive, and times when someone who is not eligible will get turned down,

But, those buying resale, at least most of them, know that they are not eligible for anything that is considered a membership extras, which includes lounges, special events, and discounts.

I just don’t think DVC needs to jump through any more hoops to make it more clear than they do with the DVC Y or ND, or the notation as but being eligible in terms and conditions.

I guess like any industry, its about managing the customer's/client's expectations. If expectations are managed well, no one will be surprised/upset/disappointed. Not putting an exclusive piece of merch on a shelf where anyone can grab it in the park would be a simple hoop to jump through. As any reasonable consumer (DVC or not) would assume I can buy something on the open retail floor. If it's exclusive, just present it as exclusive. (Behind the counter, or available online with proper DVC credentials, etc).

In fairness though, the customer also has a responsibility to do their due diligence as well. With just a little research on my part, I knew in advance that as a resale owner I would not have access to the big things. (lounges, private events, discounts, new DVC resorts, etc). It was a little thing (that was not presented or clearly labelled as exclusive only to eligible members) that got me.

But hey, live and learn. I know now to be a little more diligent, big or small.

 

[Sandisw]

Got me thinking…

Is there any scenario where you own 150 direct, but still don’t get benefits, like let’s say on vacation using other points?

All direct points, no matter the size of the contract and no matter when purchased can be used everywhere.

Benefits are for owners who have at least 150 direct points, or have been grandfathered in at lower levels including some with just resale points.

So, if you are talking about membership extras, a person can have 150 direct points and not have the DVC Y if those points are in different memberships.

 

[atthebeachclub]

Got me thinking…

Is there any scenario where you own 150 direct, but still don’t get benefits, like let’s say on vacation using other points?

Maybe if for some reason they let you accumulate your 150 direct points in separate contracts in different use years? That probably wouldn’t happen though.

 

[TheDailyMoo]

On a related tangent...I know this is crazy but tell me why this is crazy...

If I wanted to buy the Sorcerer Pass...or any Floridian pass for that matter as an out of state resale only member...what's stopping me from purchasing a small useless plot of land which can be had for around $2000 or so, and getting a Florida driver's license with the address of that plot of land...

Again...I know it's crazy but why lol

 

[Sandisw]

On a related tangent...I know this is crazy but tell me why this is crazy...

If I wanted to buy the Sorcerer Pass...or any Floridian pass for that matter as an out of state resale only member...what's stopping me from purchasing a small useless plot of land which can be had for around $2000 or so, and getting a Florida driver's license with the address of that plot of land...

Again...I know it's crazy but why lol

As long as you can provide Disney with what is needed to show you are eligible for it, it can work.

 

[Kailunkat]

So the benefits of the direct/DVC Y perks is 100% a cost-benefit analysis exercise. We own resale but will buy in 150pts direct because we travel with a huge family (usually 10 to 14 people) and after estimating what we would spend on food, tours, special event tickets, merch and adding it all up - the discount you get for DVC would come out to around $2500 saved a year. Since we are love PVB and plan on buying our direct points there - we figure in 5 years or so we will make up the difference with the discounts. Is it a risk? Yeah a little bit. They could revoke all the discounts before we can break even, but I think the chances are low. Also there is no way I'm buying MORE than the 150pts direct .

 

[CarolynFH]

Maybe if for some reason they let you accumulate your 150 direct points in separate contracts in different use years? That probably wouldn’t happen though.

I’m pretty sure they’d “let you” buy a total of 150 points in any combination of contracts and UYs you wanted.

You just wouldn’t be eligible for Membership Extras unless you accumulated 150 in one UY (and also titled the same) - the number of contracts wouldn’t matter.

 

[atthebeachclub]

So the benefits of the direct/DVC Y perks is 100% a cost-benefit analysis exercise. We own resale but will buy in 150pts direct because we travel with a huge family (usually 10 to 14 people) and after estimating what we would spend on food, tours, special event tickets, merch and adding it all up - the discount you get for DVC would come out to around $2500 saved a year. Since we are love PVB and plan on buying our direct points there - we figure in 5 years or so we will make up the difference with the discounts. Is it a risk? Yeah a little bit. They could revoke all the discounts before we can break even, but I think the chances are low. Also there is no way I'm buying MORE than the 150pts direct .

Oh yeah. Huge groups save a lot with direct! We have 4 to 5 people and one of those people probably won’t visit the parks every day. So our break even is longer than a larger family. I estimate possibly 7 to 10 years. And in the meantime, the perks that would help us break even could disappear.

 

[Maistre Gracey]

On a related tangent...I know this is crazy but tell me why this is crazy...

If I wanted to buy the Sorcerer Pass...or any Floridian pass for that matter as an out of state resale only member...what's stopping me from purchasing a small useless plot of land which can be had for around $2000 or so, and getting a Florida driver's license with the address of that plot of land...

Again...I know it's crazy but why lol

It’s been a number of years, so perhaps my memory has faded or things have changed, but…

I seem to recall when I got my FL driver’s license that I had to show that I had some sort of dwelling in FL, not just land.
In addition, I had to sign an affidavit to that effect.

Again, that was a number of years ago.

ETA: plus after taxes and insurance, how much would you really save?

ETA again: you would also have to surrender your current state drivers license. Not sure about your state, but many have a rule about living in a state with an out of state license.

 

[achinforsomebacon]

On a related tangent...I know this is crazy but tell me why this is crazy...

If I wanted to buy the Sorcerer Pass...or any Floridian pass for that matter as an out of state resale only member...what's stopping me from purchasing a small useless plot of land which can be had for around $2000 or so, and getting a Florida driver's license with the address of that plot of land...

Again...I know it's crazy but why lol

This seems like a lot of work. No need for a Florida license. Purchase your land and use the address for a savings or checking account where you have paperless statements. This is really the minimum you need to provide to get the Florida passes.

https://disneyworld.disney.go.com/faq/tickets/proof-florida-address/

If you knew someone you trusted that lived in Florida, you could do this with their address and avoid having to buy the land at all.

 

[Maistre Gracey]

This seems like a lot of work. No need for a Florida license. Purchase your land and use the address for a savings or checking account where you have paperless statements. This is really the minimum you need to provide to get the Florida passes.

https://disneyworld.disney.go.com/faq/tickets/proof-florida-address/

If you knew someone you trusted that lived in Florida, you could do this with their address and avoid having to buy the land at all.

Not sure that will work without an address.
When we built our house in FL we had to beg the post master to give us an address. We couldn’t even get cable because our address did not exist.

 

[thanxfornoticin]

To clarify, the DVC Y is not related to where you can use points….someone can buy 100 points today direct, use them everywhere and for cruises, etc, and be DVC ND, because they don’t have 150.

Just like a person who is DVC Y because they have enough direct or grandfathered points, and buys resale today, won’t be able to use those new points at the new resorts.

Absolutely true - and yet another level of complexity!

 

[Sandisw]

Absolutely true - and yet another level of complexity!

It is but only for those who have owned long enough to have been owners during the changes.

New buyers don’t have that level of confusion…if you buy today, you need 150 direct points to get membership extras…all in the same membership.

Resale points purchased today are restricted from new resorts…RIV, VDH, and CFW resale are good only there..all those other terms, levels, etc, don’t even matter to todays buyer.