Security Threat?

[Maistre Gracey]

Because there is no followup to TSA. Once you are through, thats it. How do you know bag check is not DESIGNED to look like a joke? If its a joke, please, document how many weapons related incidents have happened INSIDE a Disney park in the past 10 years. As a pilot, I am sure you are trained in security and measures to take inside a locked cockpit. However, ah, well, forget it. Disney is safe.

There is follow up at airports..

I never said Disney wasn't safe, just that the bag check is all for show. I'm glad it gives you a good feeling-- That's what it is designed to do.
Like I said earlier, the "word on the street" that Disney has a bag check may stop someone the first time, until they see that it's not a true inspection.

I don't know how many weapons were brought into WDW. I'm sure some people carry for legitimate reasons, and obviously never use them. People do carry weapons who never cause an incident. It's really impossible to say how many made it thru the turnstiles. They aren't stupid enough to have them on top of the stuff in their nap sack. All it really takes is to put it in the zippered pouch on the side... Or in their coat pocket and pass the rigid inspection all together.

MG

 

[thefirebuilds]

Hard? Mixing 2 chemicals together in a soda bottle and waiting 10 minutes is hard? Hmmmm....if Reid would have lit his shoe, it would have been catastrophic.

I dont want to get into the chemistry for fear someone might learn something they didn't know but what he was working at was a peroxide bomb. The peroxide component has to be boiled off and at that state it becomes extremely unpredictable and volatile. It's very unlikely outside of a lab setting he would have ever got to the point where he could mix the next chemical in, he'd have blown his hands off in the lavatory.

Reid is a non sequitor, that knucklehead that just got nailed for buying 60 cases of acetone was working on this peroxide bomb - and that's the true reason you can't bring larger volumes of fluid on an airplane. It came out after Reid but it's utter nonsense.

 

[disneynutz]

Disney has their own 911 system because the were the first in the US to design it. States followed after them. Also, Disney is its own entity in FL.

Never heard the one about Disney and 911. I do know that AT&T announced the 911 plan in 1968.

Disney created their own entity, (Reedy Creek), because they can have more control. I understand their reasoning and like I stated, they take great lengths to protect their image. You won't see shoplifters being arrested in public very often. Disney takes them backstage and then calls the Sheriff. Recently they have decided to pay Orange County Sheriff's to increase their visible presence at DTD to deter holiday crime.

Bill

 

[manning]

I just have to share a weird experience that we had yesterday at Kidani.

We had just checked out and getting ready to move to BLT. I wanted to get a few photos of the Kidani and Jambo sign, front of building and pool area. I was talking a picture of Jambo with a ME bus out front and I noticed a Disney Security Guard watching me. We then went over to Kidani and I took a picture of the front of the main Kidani building. Next we went to check out the Kidani pool, and I took a few pictures.

A Security Guard comes up to me and asks why am I taking pictures? I didn't know what to say, It's Disney, I always take pictures at Disney. He goes on to tell me that he has been following us and watching me take pictures and we aren't allowed to take pictures of buildings.



I was talking a picture of the Kidani pool water feature
Bill

How do you talk a picture??

 

[Sammie]

Bill, actually DVC has been reading your posts on here lately and have you on their surveillance list.

 

[disneynutz]

How do you talk a picture??

It's a new feature on the iPhone 6.0. You tell it what you want a picture of and it goes and takes it for you.

Bill

 

[Geoff_M]

Reid is a non sequitor,...

I loved the guy I heard say "Every time I take my shoes off at the airport I think 'I'm glad Richard Reid wasn't known as The Underwear Bomber'!"

 

[AKLFan3]

I loved the guy I heard say "Every time I take my shoes off at the airport I think 'I'm glad Richard Reid wasn't known as The Underwear Bomber'!"

I wonder if security lines will be a little longer next week with the increased number of people for the holiday and perhaps even more thorough bag checks.

 

[DisneySJB]

We went to Pittsburgh for a weekend getaway last summer. I love to take pictures of architecture. I guess, I was taking pictures of the wrong building because I was also stopped by a security guard. He told me something similary, since 9/11 they are cautious when someone is taking pictures of the building. Especially if you take it looking up at the sky, which is a shot I love with tall buildings. So sad, but I understand the necessity.

 

[thefirebuilds]

im trying to not to be a sarcastic ***, but all that stuff (pictures) are available on google maps, via satelite. Why would a "terrorist" risk exposure when the stuff is free and publically available. It's armband nonsense.

 

[DVCPAT]

Show me a company that isn't secretive about their security measures unless compelled to do otherwise. It's that way for a reason... you don't show your playbook to the opposition.

I’m saying that’s a good thing. Our government pretty much reveals everthing they know. The most recent news reports revealed how the terrorist communicated by saving messages it the draft folder. They would log onto the account, read the messages and delete them.

Pause for a second and think about the risk/reward equation for this scenario. Disney isn't going to commit a likely criminal offense and risk large civil lawsuit payouts in order to prevent petty crimes in their theme parks. .

The legal system hasn’t caught up with technology. Disney has plenty of lawyers on the payroll so I’m sure they wont break the law.

OK, so where does Disney get these terrorist fingerprints from? Also note that it's not usually the known terrorist ring leaders that do the dirty work in such attacks, instead they normally recruit "nobodies" with visions of virgins dancing in their heads.

Finger print records are common around the world.

Why would Disney spend millions of dollars upgrading to a system that processes finger prints? Maybe the NSA consults Disney, the largest user of biometrics because they are considering opening up a theme park? They could have used much less expensive technology.

 

[Geoff_M]

The legal system hasn’t caught up with technology. Disney has plenty of lawyers on the payroll so I’m sure they wont break the law.

Oh, but there have already been lots of legal smackdowns about issues of a high-tech nature regarding privacy. Even something as "benign" as recording information about a customer visiting your website without consent can get you in legal hot water. Now expand that to something extremely sensitive like your fingerprints. I agree that Disney's legal team will give the park management good advice... which is why I'm certain that the fingerprint feature on the park scanners will firmly remain in the "off" position.

Finger print records are common around the world.

Why would Disney spend millions of dollars upgrading to a system that processes finger prints?

Here I'll invoke Occam's Razor... A simpler explanation is that the older "post" system was only used for APs and other special passes. They were problematic to use and often created delays at the turnstiles. Those headaches were then greatly increased when they moved to MYW tickets that required everyone except kids to authenticate themselves. They moved to the new system because they felt it would be a lot more accurate and help keep the front gate lines moving.

I also speculate that our government's interest in Disney security execs has a lot more to do with the fact that they've overseen the security of a place that deals with more daily visitors on average than any government run facility.

If you wish to move beyond that and believe that the real (or even secondary) reason for the switch is that Disney's security "skunkworks" has secretly (and likely illegally) tapped into some secret global fingerprint database that includes poor jihadist foot soldiers in Yemen, persons in Palestinian refugee camps, and people in deepest lawless Pakistani tribal lands... then don't let me stop you. Even if you want to restrict that list down to domestic registered sex offenders, I think that laws wouldn't allow their fingerprints out into the public domain.

 

[bobbiwoz]

We just returned and I noticed much more security at WDW than ever before. When we entered the MK on Tuesday there was a German Shepherd dog by the area where they check bags. Earlier in the stay, I was on our balcony at VWL, woods/lake view and a security guard pulled up to a worker's truck. He was sitting in the car, not getting out, and she asked to see ID. After a few minutes of discussing the situation, she left and within a few minutes he got out of the car and got to work.

We saw many many Disney security cars on the roads during this 5 night trip.

Bobbi

 

[Simba's Mom]

We just returned and I noticed much more security at WDW than ever before. When we entered the MK on Tuesday there was a German Shepherd dog by the area where they check bags. Earlier in the stay, I was on our balcony at VWL, woods/lake view and a security guard pulled up to a worker's truck. He was sitting in the car, not getting out, and she asked to see ID. After a few minutes of discussing the situation, she left and within a few minutes he got out of the car and got to work.

We saw many many Disney security cars on the roads during this 5 night trip.

Bobbi

I noticed that also on my trip in October. Before that trip I didn't even know that WDW had "sniffing" dogs (for drugs, bombs, whatever) but on this trip I saw three at separate times. One time, I saw Disney security with a dog in Epcot walking around during the F&W festival. I don't know what the dog was looking for, but whatever it was, I suppose it was good that he didn't find it.

 

[cpdwiz]

im trying to not to be a sarcastic ***, but all that stuff (pictures) are available on google maps, via satelite. Why would a "terrorist" risk exposure when the stuff is free and publically available. It's armband nonsense.

This thread needs to be locked...You compare a Disney security officer doing a job to Nazi SS Germany? Amazing.

 

[cpdwiz]

We just returned and I noticed much more security at WDW than ever before. When we entered the MK on Tuesday there was a German Shepherd dog by the area where they check bags. Earlier in the stay, I was on our balcony at VWL, woods/lake view and a security guard pulled up to a worker's truck. He was sitting in the car, not getting out, and she asked to see ID. After a few minutes of discussing the situation, she left and within a few minutes he got out of the car and got to work.

We saw many many Disney security cars on the roads during this 5 night trip.

Bobbi

Makes a little more sense that a guard would question a photographer since there were dogs around. A hightened sense? An alert?

 

[thefirebuilds]

This thread needs to be locked...You compare a Disney security officer doing a job to Nazi SS Germany? Amazing.

sorry, not quite, armband as in hall monitor. It's an SCCA reference, I guess it doesn't translate here.

btw the nazis and the stasi were just "doing a job" too.

In 20th century Holland one had to provide their religion and heritage before receiving social insurance checks. Totally innocuous information (like the fingerprint capturing device) until the German's invaded in the 40s. As a consequence all the Jewish folks in Holland were easily identified by a simple database that had captured their address and nationality in clear language. The Dutch Jews suffered greater losses than even the Germans.

 

[Chuck S]

This thread has gone way off the topic of DVC resort security, it is now closed.