KBF.....read between the lines.The pilot license is approved on 9/10.It doesn't say what pilot whale it is for.(There is also no permit that says "Approval is given to buy from the Cove") 10-11 days later,pilot whales are herded and beached into the cove.Technically ,beaching a whale in the Cove makes any whale that was beached there technically a "rescue".
On 9/20 people are posting from the cove and are asking "why pilot whales now?"This as 15 pilot whales were driven into the Cove. No, these are not just Ric O'Barry's people either. Pilot whales are more uncommon for them to drive.They usually drive dolphins(it is what is on demand).They usually go after dolphins,as that is usually the demand.Trainers come to look at them for purchase.They decide that they are they are unfit for sale because they are pretty scratched and beat up.The pilot whales are then slaughtered.The witnesses and those who have heard about this are very upset and looking to get to the bottom of things..Why Pilot Whales,why now?
A few days later someone posts the permit and that the permit was approved on 9/10.Is that a coincidence???
I personally think they got caught with their pants down.
It sounds like damage control to me ...like they needed to come up with a good cover ,because they knew that anyone reading about this was fuming.Fred Jacobs emails me no other evidence but that bogus link with the two sources.. Seaworld San Diego's Facebook page
and a link that is in Japanese but the english website is icrwhale.org.
My major point is this..even if that story is true & they were taking in a rescue from Japan which I feel is a BIG IF..(By the way Kamagowa is Seaworld Japan-not some" random marine park")then maybe they are taking a whale from SW Japan and maybe Seaworld Japan is recruiting a new pilot whale from the Cove ??
Again...the permit was not approved until 10 days prior to this herding.
And my even bigger point is that Fred Jacobs cites this unknown blog as proof .This is all the proof he has and the sources are ...Seaworld San Diego's Facebook page and ....icrwhale.org. So basically that is a PRO WHALING website,sponsored by the
ministry of fisheries in Japan....Do you not see an issue with that..?
Ok first off. You have ZERO facts as I said in my post above. COINCIDENCE, AND ASSUMPTION DO NOT EQUAL FACT. Its your assumption that Seaworld is getting a whale due to the conflicting dates. Well if you would have read your link in further detail you would have seen that this permit was applied for by Seaworld on December 2nd 2009. It was only approved by the government on September 10th.
On December 2, 2009, notice was published in the Federal Register (74 FR 63119) that a request for a public display permit to import one male pilot whale, from the Kamogawa SeaWorld, Chiba, Japan to Sea World of California, had been submitted by the above-named organization. The requested permit has been issued under the authority of the Marine Mammal Protection Act of 1972, as amended (16 U.S.C. 1361 et seq.) and the regulations governing the taking and importing of marine mammals (50 CFR part 216).
So then why didnt the drive fisherman get the whales sooner when Seaworld informed them of the request back in December of last year? Why wait until September 20th 2010 Almost a year later? The paragraph above also states that the whale will come from the Marine Park in Japan. Therefore it was not captured during the recent hunts on September 20th. Again, disproving your assumption.
2nd, unless im not seeing correctly, the link you gave me that Fred Jacobs of Seaworld gave you does not mention anything about it being pro whaling. Infact it goes on to say....
PURPOSE OF ESTABLISHMENT
Problems surrounding Japanese fisheries have become increasingly complex in recent years in relation to the conservation and management of marine mammals, as exemplified by the IWC's adoption of a moratorium on all commercial whaling in 1982 and the Southern Ocean Whale Sanctuary in 1994, as well as by the tightening of regulatory measures on driftnet and other fishery technology. More restrictive measures are expected to be imposed internationally upon fisheries, including high-seas fisheries. Japan will have to respond appropriately to solve future problems in order to contribute to the proper conservation, management, and rational utilization of marine resources.
Thus far, independent entities such as national laboratories, universities, voluntary research institutions, and individual- researchers have been studying whales and other marine mammals. These studies, however, are closely related and must be better coordinated to contribute to the solutions required at the national and international levels, making it possible for Japan to take a more active role in international organizations.
The I.C.R. is dedicated to a wide range of cetacean research and is expected to function as a center of research efforts made by independent researchers such as those described above.
So the ICR is a center for Cetacean research and assists with monitoring regulations like those imposed by the IWC to ban commercial whaling. No where did I read that it was a site dedicated to whaling. Its a site dedicated to monitor and enforce the laws set in place against whaling. Did you even read what the page said?
3rd, The Seaworld in Japan is completely unrelated to the Seaworld in the United States. The Only Seaworlds that are associated with each other are Seaworld Orlando, San Diego, and San Antonio in Texas. Seaworld in Japan and Seaworld in Australia have NO connection with the Seaworlds in the United States.
Why does SW Orlando care about a lonely pilot whale? They don't care about Tilly being alone?(I wont even go into that right now) Or even bigger question is why is this his only proof..Uh,maybe because they have no other proof except for a blog run by - who knows,that cites Facebook San Diego as it's source and icrwhale.org.
This again shows how misinformed you are. You didnt even bother to read your own link. The whale is going to Seaworld in San Diego. Not Orlando. It seems you jumped on this bandwaggon a little to early without reading the facts. Even without reading the facts in the own links you provided.
And another thing, if you were as knowledgeable as you claim to be about the entire situation, you would understand a few things about Tilly and Killer Whale society. The fact is Killer Whale Society is a matriarchal society which means the adult female whales are leaders of the killer whale pods. The lowest of the low, even below baby whales, are the Adult Males. Which Tilly is. In a killer whale society, males are used for one thing only and that is breeding. Every month except breeding season, the males are outcasts in their society because the females want nothing to do with them.
Tilly is an adult male. The females want nothing to do with him during the non breeding months. If you went to Seaworld during the breeding Season in late December, early January, you would see Tilly with another female whale. Other times, the females bully him and try and injure him. Which is why he is kept to himself and does not interact with the other whales which are ALL female whales except for the little calf Trua, which he is still accepted among the females because he is a calf, not an adult.
You probably read someones account that Tilly is all alone without trainer interaction, that again is false. I go to Seaworld numerous times a week and the trainers interact with Tilly daily. They care for him and love him. Maybe not the way it used to be. He is no longer allowed to be touched by humans because of OSHA demands. But the trainers have come up with new and unique ways of interacting and caring for him. So again, your ASSUMPTION that Tilly is ignored and alone is false.
Doesn't that seem very coincidental to you? If they had real proof and it was legit why didn't he proudly cite real links ones that weren't using a Japanese pro-whaling website as proof???
Its not a Japanese pro whaling site. Read the link you posted next time.
Like I advised Fred Jacobs,unless you see the rescue from point A to point B you can't truly state that this pilot whale is a rescue when dealing with a country across the world that is a whaling capital.And to cite icrwhale.org as proof is ridiculous.If this is his only proof(which I am assuming it was) it is pathetic.I wont even get into arguing anything else about that .It is like when you buy a pet from a store and they say "oh this pet isn't from a puppy mill we have papers." Then you look at the papers and they say the dog was shipped in a truck from Minnesota? How do you know this unseen place in Minnesota isn't a puppy mill. So no unless you are there ,you can't say it was a rescue-especially when dealing with Japan.
Believe it or not, there are world wide organizations that monitor rescues. Its not like Joe Shmo from Japan says its a rescue. Organizations like NOAA monitor and regulate what goes on as far as wildlife in the oceans is concerned. And they need to approve a request by Seaworld for the pilot whale, dolphin or any other animal that may go to Seaworld. Its not like Seaworld goes out and does whatever they want. There are regulations by government programs.
I look at it like this,if it is even a possibility,I won't take that chance!
If you want to that is fine.You are so quick to defend the written word of Fred Jacobs and SeaWorld without looking at my valid points and thinking-Oh yeah,maybe NOT a coincidence? And you do not even look deeper into Fred Jacobs so called proof.This man who, again, is head of communications for Seaworld and Seaworld is supposedly pro-mammal is quoting a pro whaling website??? You only read what you wanted.What Fred Jacobs said,but not the source icrwhale.org.
This is his only damage control until The Blackstone group can pay someone else off for more damage control.
Again please explain and show me where it is mentioned on this site that it is pro whaling? Its not. You are getting into conspiracies now which are not fact either.
And as far as your remarks against Ric O Barry ..are you for real? Where's your proof to that whole statement? In your mind he is mad at the whole industry and disgruntled for 30 years and this made him make "a farce" of a movie as you call it :"And about "THE COVE". The movie is a farce and total lie. The creator of the movie has his own personal agenda against marine life parks due to the fact that he was fired from one back in the 1970s. It was proven in the past that he had lied about "A dolphin committing suicide in his arms" the dolphin was found to have an infection and that was its cause of death".-your quote..
If you read a little bit longer into my post, which you seem to have a habit of not reading things. I mention my statement was my personal opinion. Which means its not fact. My opinion does not equal fact.
Let's break that down:
You obviously don't research anything else..just Ric O'Barry?? If a dolphin or whale- who are self breathers (meaning they take the next breath or decide NOT TOO)don't take another breath ..then yeah,infection or not, they technically committed suicide!!Did you do the necropsy? (Do you know what a necropsy is?)..no Miami Seaquarium did the Necropsy-or they PAID their people to do it.They aren't going to say" FLIPPER OFFED HERSELF".??!!
Again, you not reading other posts of mine. You would have seen if you read my post further down that said that I found this information on a documentary about the Cove after it had received its award nomination.
Yes I know what a necropsy is. It is whats performed on an animal when they die to see what they died from. Like what an autopsy is for humans.
And let me get this straight. Your saying that even if the dolphin had an infection, that it still commited suicide when it "decided" not to take another breath. So humans can technically control their breathing if they wanted to, does that mean a person who dies, purposely holds their breath until they pass out and die because they dont want to live anymore. Whether they have an illness or they are just really old. Or maybe they got in a car accident and they just dont feel like breathing anymore. Heck I guess ill go for the oldest human record. Maybe I keep breathing until im 200 and then ill decide to stop.
But he-Ric O'Barry.. he's digruntled in 1970 so he goes to Japan in 2003 and follows Sea Shepherd and he learns about the Cove?? Long grudge..(are you listening to your words or reading them??) He then goes IN YOUR WORDS TO MAKE A "FARCE OF A MOVIE" ? Oh Seaworld does great things that you defend, but Ric O'Barry never did after he was "fired" in your mind..wow ,you sure know a lot about him.Is this how you minimize the Cove and your role in it??? Where is your proof that it is a farce?Or is this your guilty conscience speaking?? .
Seaworld doesnt do anything illegal. What Ric O Barry does is illegal in Japan. He has no right to go up and release those dolphins. What I meant by the movie being a farce, is the lies they spread about Marine parks like Seaworlds. I dont deny what goes on in Japan nor do I think its morally and ethically right. I have said before im against the dolphin hunts. But I feel like we have no right to tell people how to live their life. They have been doing this for hundreds of years. Who are we to tell them to stop. Its their way of making a living for themselves. Its their income and food source.
And Seaworld does more things for Conservation, Education and Research and rehabilitation that Ric O Barry will ever do. Seaworlds profits go to these things. Ric O Barrys profit goes to his pocket.
And I am sure Linda Simons is also a disgruntled $eaworld employee too ,right?(You know the employee who wouldn't lie or get in OSHAs way) And the person who backed her up who just came forward, Michelle Dillard ,is she disgruntled ,too?.WOWWWWW!
All for publicity. Money and recognition does strange things to people. Realize a trend? She was fired from Seaworld so she goes out and attacks them. Sounds like Ric O Barry going after Marine parks after he was fired from one. Anyone can make up a lie. Where is her proof that she was fired for telling OSHA the truth? Where is OSHA saying that YES, Linda Simmons was working with them and where is OSHA saying that she was fired wrongly?
And maybe you need to "Research " things better because dolphins are deadly(Laden with Mercury ) and most Japanese are not even aware that they sell it -nor would they eat it! So no, those fishing drives of the dolphins aren't part of their culture and are not their food source!!!
Most Japanese in the small fishing town im sure are aware they sell dolphin. And im sure they are the ones who are uneducated about the mercury. Perhaps you should go tell them so they dont eat dolphin meat anymore.
The Cove is a small fishing village in Taiji ,Japan about 6 hours by train from Tokyo.It is small town Japan.A lot of the drives stopped until places decided to reinvent the idea of paying big bucks for drives.$200,000 per dolphin speaks big !Why?..so that dolphinarium can get dolphins for swim with the dolphin programs or for shows. Like I said The dolphin fairy does not drop them from the sky and no the dolphins at di$covery Cove are not really rescues and not really born and bred in captivity-as per di$covery Cove they get a lot from SEAWORLD...So which one,SEAWORLD JAPAN, maybe ???
Again, show me the facts. Show me Discovery Cove which is part of oh I dont know SEAWORLD IN ORLANDO, gets its dolphins from drive fisheries. They dont. They are born in captivity. Again, the Seaworld in Japan HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE 3 SEAWORLDS IN THE UNTIED STATES.
The Taiji "fisherman " for lack of a better term then slaughter the unpretty ones that no one wants to buy for dolphinariums and they get about $7,000 each dolphin or so to sell the dolphin meat to companies that usually illegally list it as whale or fish.Or Taiji does sell some dolphin meat in their town(labeled as such),but most places don't.
Maybe dolphinariums in other countries, but not Seaworld.
Typical..I guess I have an agenda...YEAH to sleep at night!!
Your agenda is to have a way to explain your actions and how you are not somehow taking part in the slaughter...
When faced with everything you only pick out and "Research" only what you want.You didn't quite "Research" the information correctly though...
LMAO. Look who's talking.
I need to defend my actions and inform the naive people (That would be you) on the truth and not ASSUMPTION, COINCIDENCE, OR CONSPIRACY that is spewed by the Cove or Ric O Barry or PETA or any animal rights activist.
Enjoy $eaworld....those beautiful mammals are dying to amuse you ;-)
Yeah ok thats original. To much time on PETA sites huh?
if nothing else-
This was spoken by Capt.Paul Watson and rings so true:"The permit stipulates that the whale must have been stranded. Driving a pilot whale up onto the beach at Taiji is effectively stranding it.
Fifteen pilot whales were slaughtered in The Cove 9/21 and yet Sea World has no problem importing a pilot whale from a nation that slaughters thousands of dolphins every year.
This makes every person who purchases a ticket to Sea World complicit in the horrifically cruel slaughter of pilot whales and dolphins."
Peace Out !!
Its not a problem when Seaworld is RESCUING the dolphin or whale from a poor living condition in the Japanese marine park in which it lives.
And no, those who buy a ticket at Seaworld are actually benefiting research, rehabilitation and conservation efforts by Seaworld. Without Seaworlds help, there would be no Florida manatee, Sea Turtles would be in trouble a ton of wildlife would be lost. And thats what Seaworld is about, the prtection and conservation of animals and our environment. But I guess your to blind to see that.
And here is another famous quote by unknown....
"NEVER ASSUME, IT MAKES AN *** OUT OF YOU TO ME."
