SDFP: CHANGES COMING!! Beware the 7th of June?!

[hiroMYhero]

We have 6 family members on my MDE and all have APs. Only 4 are listed on my Grand Floridian reservation. Can I prebook all 6 at 60 days, or just the 4 on my reservation?

All 6.

Group the "not going" people with 1 on reservation person. This gives you the 60-day window. Then "Change Party" to regroup the "on reservation" person out of the FP booking.

 

[marciemi]

We have 6 family members on my MDE and all have APs. Only 4 are listed on my Grand Floridian reservation. Can I prebook all 6 at 60 days, or just the 4 on my reservation?

You can book all 6 as long as one of the 4 on the reservation is part of the party. Again, you can remove them later if the folks without the reservation want to do something else or if you're trying to use those two for SDFP and transfer them later. There's more info on this on the main Fastpass thread.

 

[BuckeyeBama]

All 6.

Group the "not going" people with 1 on reservation person. This gives you the 60-day window. Then "Change Party" to regroup the "on reservation" person out of the FP booking.

You can book all 6 as long as one of the 4 on the reservation is part of the party. Again, you can remove them later if the folks without the reservation want to do something else or if you're trying to use those two for SDFP and transfer them later. There's more info on this on the main Fastpass thread.

Thank you both.

 

[12jdc]

They are going to have 1 very upset Guido on their hands if a SDFP on my very-much-alive 2yo's MB ends up locking my account.

Just to clarify if I have a MB with a valid ticket I used to enter the park but I don't want to use my FP to ride Space Mountain so I give my MB to DS to ride is this still going to be ok?

 

[ScrapYap]

Just to clarify if I have a MB with a valid ticket I used to enter the park but I don't want to use my FP to ride Space Mountain so I give my MB to DS to ride is this still going to be ok?

Since the MB will have been used to enter the parks, that will be fine.

 

[anomamatt]

You must use your initial 3 FPs before you "Change Party" and move a FP entitlement over to the other Profile.

If you don't pre-book any FPs for your main profile, can you use "change party" to send your main profile FPs from fake profiles?

 

[SUSIEQ]

You must use your initial 3 FPs before you "Change Party" and move a FP entitlement over to the other Profile.

Do you have to actually USE the initial 3 fast passes? Or, can you just let the FP time pass? Thanks.

 

[SUSIEQ]

If you don't pre-book any FPs for your main profile, can you use "change party" to send your main profile FPs from fake profiles?

Good question! Seems like you and I are thinking alike. Hopefully, someone knows the answer.

 

[Mrspeaks]

I had thought about buying my MNSSHP on a second MDE account that I used for SDFP in the past. I had planned on using our park hopper ticket to get in the park and book 3 FPs with that and then book 3 on our party tickets 30 days out. Would this still work after June 6? Would they at some point scan our party tickets to know we were there for the party separate from the scanned MB to get in the park earlier that day with our park hopper?

 

[hiroMYhero]

If you don't pre-book any FPs for your main profile, can you use "change party" to send your main profile FPs from fake profiles?

Good question! Seems like you and I are thinking alike. Hopefully, someone knows the answer.

For maximum benefit, book FPs for your Main Party AND your secondary/phantom group.

You will enter the park with 6 pre-booked FP. Use your Main group FPs and then move over your secondary/phantom passes one by one.

There is no reason to only have 3 FPs if you have ticket entitlements to book FPs and utilize the Change Party function.

 

[freediverdude]

My whole family has APs so we use the extra band's of family members not on a particular trip to book at kiosks and then transfer them as we use them. We just have to remember to book their fps after ours (time wise) so they will transfer after we have used ours. We could just switch bands, but my wife doesn't like doing that because she is the only female and doesn't like it when one of the boy's names appears for a fp that she is using. Now we will have to transfer, but we are used to it, so no problem.

But, yes, this will now require linked tickets.

ETA, this assumes that a band with a linked ticket can still be used at a kiosk on a date in which it was not used to enter a park. If that cannot happen Disney will force me to consider something less scrupulous. I paid a lot for these APs.

Well I thought that was the issue was that tickets had to be used for park entrance once this goes into effect, so I don't see how transferring would help. Unless you're thinking it wouldn't check at the kiosk, only the fp tapstile. But that wouldn't make sense for them to implement it in that way.

Edited to add- after reading some more, it looks like maybe people who have pre-booked fastpasses with extra profiles that also have tickets may be able to transfer those once they are in the park, depending on how this is implemented. (Although I'm sure a loophole like that would be closed in time once Disney catches on and decides what to do.) But still as of next month probably won't be able to just use any magicband at a kiosk and then transfer the fp or use that magicband at the ride entrance. At least that will cut down on the abuse some.

 

[ScrapYap]

Even those not listed on your reservation?

From the first page:
How do I get my 60 day resort guest window to umbrella over non-resort-guest profiles on my MDE? I want to ride both Frozen Ever After and Soarin'.
The 60 day booking window can umbrella out from the guests on the resort reservation to other ticketed profiles (either real or phantoms) who are without a resort reservation. To do this, when you make your FP choices, you must toggle at least one person from the resort reservation in the group with profiles who are not on the resort reservation. (The system won't offer you choices at 60 days for a group of only non-resort guests.)

Once you've toggled a resort guest along with any ticketed phantoms, you'll be offered choices up to 60 days out. If the resort guest you've toggled already has a set of FP, you'll be prompted to remove that resort guest from the booking group. Go ahead and click on "remove." Your phantoms will still be permitted to proceed with the 60 day window. Really.

This is actually the easiest way to go about booking for the non-resort-guests. First, book FP for resort guests (who will be in the park). Then book for the non-resort guests. Just toggle one resort guest with that group (even though you've already made that person's FP), then click "remove" when prompted. This way, you don't have to rearrange any FP. (If you've not yet booked for the real guest, you can make FP along with the non-guests -- then you go back and modify that FP to what you really want.)

Okay, so I have prebooked my 4th, 5th, and 6th FP on a ticketed profile for a person (or phantom) who won't really be in the parks. Now what?
So you're saying that your good friend or family member has been added as a friend on your MDE and that person has a valid ticket or AP. You're saying that this person will not be along on your upcoming trip. You will prebook FP for them, intending to use those FP yourself. You won't use their ticket for FP entrance. You'll just reassign their donated FP to your profile and use your own valid ticket for FP entrance. This should be perfectly legal, because the ticket you use to enter the FP queue will be the same ticket you used to enter the park, which is what Disney is requesting you do.

You just have to use all three of your FP before you can transfer one of the donor FP. And you can only transfer the donor FP one at a time. So it's a bit of a dance. But well worth it for some.

I don't quite get this umbrella thing.
So let's say you have Bob, Sue, Timmy, and Kimmie on the resort reservation. On the same MDE, you have four real grandparents with APs who won't be coming on this trip. Or maybe you have set up ticketed phantoms Mickey, Minnie, Buzz, and Belle. The grandparents (or Mickey and friends) will donate their FP to you (after you've used your own prebooked FP) - as you transfer them to your own profile, one at a time.

Click to select new FP for the four real guests, Bob, Sue, Timmy, and Kimmie. That's done. Next, select new FP for the grandparents (or Mickey, Minnie, Buzz, and Belle) -- and also Bob. (Without Bob or one of the other resort guests, Mickey & Co. can only get FP at 30 days, not 60 for the non-resort-guests.) You'll get an error message saying that Bob already has FP for that day. So click on "remove" - the system will allow you to proceed with the other four with the 60 day window (without Bob). Remember you can modify those FP without a resort guest needing to be toggled as part of the FP group. Alternatively (and less efficiently), you can book FP for the donor guests first by including Bob in their FP group. So you prebook FP for that group of five people. Once that's done, go back in and modify Bob's FP. The FP for the four donor guests won't be affected.

 

[hiroMYhero]

Do you have to actually USE the initial 3 fast passes? Or, can you just let the FP time pass? Thanks.

Keep checking updates because in addition to linking FP usage to park entry, it's unknown as to what else may be tweaked by Disney.

 

[SUSIEQ]

Thanks!

 

[CMNJ]

Are you absolutely sure of this part? I thought I'd tested that in the past successfully but will try again tomorrow or Monday to be sure. I may need to be moving stuff around for our July FPP's!

Also, I hope to test at some point this weekend if possible whether the Tiering at AK works like at Epcot and DHS - meaning if you use your FOP FPP and two others, can you then get another for FOP or NRJ? Hopefully it's set up the same way but important to remember that using Change Party that you'll need to use/pass the window of the first two on your original account before you can transfer another Pandora attraction.

We were there in March and I know once or twice I tried to change the party after the fastpass window started and it wouldn't let me so after that I made sure I was moving them prior to it opening and didn't try again. Perhaps it was a glitch that day if you have had success previously. I'm not local and won't be back for a few months to try again so if you try it sooner report back
Hope pandora is like the other tiering parks as well. Let us know how that goes.
Agree that this is the complication with this method vs SDFP that I was trying to explain. You have to remember the rules with Tier 1 FP and how they would apply to this transfer method.

 

[finedice]

Always one to question... Is it possible this is all panic at this point? Is the change totally verified? Is there anything written that says so? Multiple source confirmation? Not trying to be rude in the least at all, but 60 day window opens 6/11, and really want to make I sure I plan accordingly with only a few days between implementation and FP bookings - it does change things, especially for MK (don't usually get/need too many SDFP at other parks)...

I will definitely be watching for updates next weekend and the few days beyond!

 

[ScrapYap]

Always one to question... Is it possible this is all panic at this point? Is the change totally verified? Is there anything written that says so? Multiple source confirmation? Not trying to be rude in the least at all, but 60 day window opens 6/11, and really want to make I sure I plan accordingly with only a few days between implementation and FP bookings - it does change things, especially for MK (don't usually get/need too many SDFP at other parks)...

I will definitely be watching for updates next weekend and the few days beyond!

This would be one heck of a rickroll if the information is false! Marcie, Hiro, and I all consider it true. And of course we've been expecting something like this for a long time. Years ago, you could get a paper FP with a ticket not used at park entry. They closed that loophole. Now they're closing this one. Makes sense.

What does seem likely is that admission and FP tech (the bride and groom) will rebel unpredictably when the marriage takes place - and there will be a delay of a few weeks or months before they try again.

What seems unlikely is that this is entirely a false alarm. But it could be. You'll have a good idea in time for your booking window. But if there is a delay - we won't know how long it will be. Days? Weeks? Months?

We just didn't want to see guests experiencing an MDE lockout without getting a head's up here. Or paying money for MBs when we now know the end is in all probability in sight.

 

[ScrapYap]

Always one to question... Is it possible this is all panic at this point? Is the change totally verified? Is there anything written that says so? Multiple source confirmation? Not trying to be rude in the least at all, but 60 day window opens 6/11, and really want to make I sure I plan accordingly with only a few days between implementation and FP bookings - it does change things, especially for MK (don't usually get/need too many SDFP at other parks)...

I will definitely be watching for updates next weekend and the few days beyond!

SDFP is not going to work in the near future - that seems certain, but I wonder about the lockout threat. Do you suppose some of that is a bluff? Let's say that some big shot threatens to build a wall to keep people off his property. He finds that people stop coming onto his property even if he hasn't built the wall. Just the threat gets their attention.

Maybe this MDE lockout is something of a threat. Maybe it won't happen at all. Maybe it will happen, but the CMs at the kiosks can reverse it right then and there. Maybe it will happen for a few weeks to scare the mice off the SDFP ship -- but after a time, the lockouts will stop happening. Of course, if SDFP stops working, we'll stop attempting it. What's the point, if the Mickey head is going to go blue? It's the lockout that seems over the top. Are they trying to distract us? If we're missing something, we'll eventually find it. Lots of brain power and moxy on this thread! All for one, and one for all!!

 

[Lesley Wake]

Do you suppose some of it is a bluff? Let's say that some big shot threatens to build a wall to keep people off his property. He finds that people stop coming onto his property even if he hasn't built the wall. Just the threat gets their attention.

Maybe this MDE lockout is something of a threat. Maybe it won't happen at all. Maybe it will happen, but the CMs at the kiosks can reverse it right then and there. Maybe it will happen for a few weeks to scare the mice off the SDFP ship -- but after a time, the lockouts will stop happening. Of course, if SDFP stops working, we'll stop attempting it. What's the point, if the Mickey head is going to go blue? It's the lockout that seems over the top. Are they trying to distract us? If we're missing something, we'll eventually find it. Lots of brain power and moxy on this thread! All for one, and one for all!!

Oh @ScrapYap, stop trying to get our hopes yet!!!

 

[Tondee]

Well, there goes my plans for a quick trip to MK. No SDFP....so sad. It is funny that the day I had planned to go was June 6th. Boo! Thanks for the heads up!