SDFP: CHANGES COMING!! Beware the 7th of June?!

[SaoPaolo90]

We surely still have our park entry entitlements, as we're in possession of the tickets which are under our names. We're heading to EPCOT on our first full day, so we could always stop at the TTC.

 

[havoc315]

Actually I did have one final question. Turns out you can't get MBs shipped to the UK without paying a tonne in shipping. Would we be able to use our plastic cards to get into the park, then buy an MB in the park, assign it to our regular accounts and then use the card for SDFP? If the answer to that is no we may as well just try to get hold of used park tickets from someone else to get the same benefit.

I think there is some miscommunication by what you mean by "plastic cards/tickets" --- Are these OLD tickets that are no longer valid? If so, you can use them for SDFP. Or are these your current tickets for park admission? If these are your actual admission tickets -- You use them for your real advanced FPs. They should already be linked to your real account, or you can go ahead and link them to your real account. You have the option of buying Magic Bands, and essentially also linking them to the account.

Unless my understanding is wrong --- It's for SDFP, you buy the unlinked Magic Bands -- totally unlinked to any admission. You link those to your phantom account, and then you can use those MBs for SDFP. It has nothing to do with your plastic tickets.

In other words -- Use your plastic card for admission and regular FPs. Buy MBs in the park, and then use the MBs for SDFP.

 

[havoc315]

Book your FPs tomorrow for your Actual People because your "enter the park" entitlements are linked to them. You need MBs to get into the parks and to enter a FP line.

Your plastic tickets are empty and sitting with the ghosts - use the plastic tickets for SDFPs when in the parks.

I think there is the confusion -- I don't think the OP is referring to ghost plastic tickets. I think they are actual active plastic tickets.

 

[hiroMYhero]

I think there is the confusion -- I don't think the OP is referring to ghost plastic tickets. I think they are actual active plastic tickets.

SaoPaolo knows who his ghosts are and that they have the plastic tickets. That really isn't the confusion... he is now understanding the concept.

ScrapYap has given him specific directives which he followed. And now he knows which to use. You may be confusing him.

 

[SaoPaolo90]

I think there is some miscommunication by what you mean by "plastic cards/tickets" --- Are these OLD tickets that are no longer valid? If so, you can use them for SDFP. Or are these your current tickets for park admission? If these are your actual admission tickets -- You use them for your real advanced FPs. They should already be linked to your real account, or you can go ahead and link them to your real account. You have the option of buying Magic Bands, and essentially also linking them to the account.

Unless my understanding is wrong --- It's for SDFP, you buy the unlinked Magic Bands -- totally unlinked to any admission. You link those to your phantom account, and then you can use those MBs for SDFP. It has nothing to do with your plastic tickets.

In other words -- Use your plastic card for admission and regular FPs. Buy MBs in the park, and then use the MBs for SDFP.

Ah ok so looks like I was right first time! I'm going to clarify one final time:

I have two active tickets, both in the name of my girlfriend and me. We do not own used plastic cards, we own brand new plastic cards that got to us recently. What we did, on ScrapYap's advice, was each set up a phantom account in a pseudonym. We then assigned the active plastic cards to those phantoms. When that was done, we reassigned them back to our own names.

Now, we have those plastic cards for park admission and our FP+ choices which we need to make tomorrow onwards. As a result, will it be possible for us to buy new Magic Bands, assign them to the phantoms, and use those at the kiosks for SDFP?

 

[hiroMYhero]

Ah ok so looks like I was right first time! I'm going to clarify one final time:

I have two active tickets, both in the name of my girlfriend and me. We do not own used plastic cards, we own brand new plastic cards that got to us recently. What we did, on ScrapYap's advice, was each set up a phantom account in a pseudonym. We then assigned the active plastic cards to those phantoms. When that was done, we reassigned them back to our own names.

Now, we have those plastic cards for park admission and our FP+ choices which we need to make tomorrow onwards. As a result, will it be possible for us to buy new Magic Bands, assign them to the phantoms, and use those at the kiosks for SDFP?

SaoPaolo - please disregard havoc's description above.

You have it straightened out and you know what to use. If you try to enter with your plastic ticket, you will not be admitted. Please follow what ScrapYap and I have outlined exactly for you to do.

 

[SaoPaolo90]

How can it be that I won't be admitted to the park with brand new tickets?

 

[hiroMYhero]

How can it be that I won't be admitted to the park with brand new tickets?

Please reread my posts from this morning. You MOVED your "enter the park" entitlements AWAY from the ghosts to the Actual people. That's why you won't be admitted with your plastic tickets.

 

[ScrapYap]

I read through it a few times but, despite the warnings against people liable to get confused, it was still confusing.

I have two plastic park tickets. I don't currently have MagicBands. I originally assigned the park tickets to two phantom accounts, then reassigned them to the actual profiles. It seemed to be the advice ScrapYap gave me a good few pages back, though it looks like I misunderstood again.

I want to start booking FP+ on the plastic cards tomorrow while I wait for my MBs to arrive. They're currently assigned to our actual MDE accounts. If I do this, do I lose out on SDFP?

We surely still have our park entry entitlements, as we're in possession of the tickets which are under our names. We're heading to EPCOT on our first full day, so we could always stop at the TTC.

The warnings on the first page are not intended to prevent confusion - they're intended to discourage people who feel confused (or people who dislike the hard work of learning something new) from attempting to use SDFP. The last thing anyone wants is to mess up a Disney trip, which is what you are potentially doing.

You originally said you already had MagicBands, so my advice was based on that. The fact that you don't is a problem. Because the ticket entitlements are surely not still linked to those plastic cards. According to you, you reassigned them away from the plastic cards. So you can't think of the cards as "tickets" any more. They're just empty cards - good for SDFP, but not for park entry.

Go to the MagicBands and Cards page on your MDE to confirm that the cards are linked to your phantoms (your recent post said that when the cards arrived, you linked them to phantoms). You'll see there is no option to reassign the physical cards. They are married to the phantoms forever. Now go to your Tickets and Reservations page and you'll see that the entitlements for park entry are attached to your real profiles, because you said you assigned the ticket entitlements to the phantoms, then reassigned them to yourselves.

You can't book FP "on the plastic cards" because those cards no longer have ticket entitlements. The system will only allow you to book FP in advance for the people with tickets; at the moment, that means the real profiles.

As things stand, you have no way to access your ticket entitlements. Don't Disney Stores in the UK sell MagicBands? You will have to buy them at a Disney gift shop in Florida before you can enter the parks. You can't use the plastic cards to enter because they no longer have tickets associated with them - you assigned the tickets away from the cards so you could use them for SDFP. But that makes no sense if you don't have MagicBands in hand - with which you can access the tickets on the primary profiles. So you have to get MagicBands to use the tickets for park entry.

The better alternative is to reassign the ticket/entry entitlements back to the phantoms, so the ticket/entry entitlements are again "on" those cards. Then change the phantom names to a version of your own real names. Then enter the parks with those cards, don't buy any MagicBands, and forget about SDFP.

You realize that if you book your FP today for your real profiles, then later decide to reassign the entitlements to your phantoms (so you can use the plastic cards to enter), you'll lose your prebooked FP?

Use the Ctl F keys to search the first post for an explanation of anything you still feel confused about - because everything you need is there.

But the best advice for you will be to forget about SDFP.

 

[SaoPaolo90]

Yes I thought we were getting them with the tickets, hence the confusion! Unfortunately Disney Stores over here don't sell MagicBands as there's no demand for them (no Disney Parks over here!). I'd have to get them shipped from the US over here, then bring them back over with me.

Here's a possible solution, as I understand things. We're planning on heading to Disney Springs the evening before our first park day, and we'll go to World of Disney. We'll buy two brand new Magic Bands. We'll assign those to our actual accounts, which will have our ticket and entry entitlements. We'll therefore use the MBs to get into the parks, and to activate our pre-booked FP+. That then means that the plastic cards that were once our tickets will be what we use to get the SDFP from the kiosk.

If that's all right, then I'll go ahead and do it like that.

 

[ScrapYap]

I think there is some miscommunication by what you mean by "plastic cards/tickets" --- Are these OLD tickets that are no longer valid? If so, you can use them for SDFP. Or are these your current tickets for park admission? If these are your actual admission tickets -- You use them for your real advanced FPs. They should already be linked to your real account, or you can go ahead and link them to your real account. You have the option of buying Magic Bands, and essentially also linking them to the account.

Unless my understanding is wrong --- It's for SDFP, you buy the unlinked Magic Bands -- totally unlinked to any admission. You link those to your phantom account, and then you can use those MBs for SDFP. It has nothing to do with your plastic tickets.

In other words -- Use your plastic card for admission and regular FPs. Buy MBs in the park, and then use the MBs for SDFP.

You're right - the confusion comes from the concept of a physical ticket. We have to get used to thinking of a ticket as a virtual entitlement rather than as a physical thing. A plastic card is not the ticket. The ticket is a virtual entitlement.

When you buy park tickets, you may receive a plastic card to access them. The card arrives with the entry entitlement "loaded" onto it. You can reassign that entitlement to someone else, but you can't reassign the plastic card. Check out the Treasure Room Analogy on the first page of the thread. You can move the entry entitlement into someone else's Treasure Room. But then you would need one of that person's cards or bands in order to access it. The original card (not ticket!) is going to remain a doorway into the original person it was forever linked to. If you take the "ticket" off the card, the "room" the card leads to will be empty.

 

[ScrapYap]

Yes I thought we were getting them with the tickets, hence the confusion! Unfortunately Disney Stores over here don't sell MagicBands as there's no demand for them (no Disney Parks over here!). I'd have to get them shipped from the US over here, then bring them back over with me.

Here's a possible solution, as I understand things. We're planning on heading to Disney Springs the evening before our first park day, and we'll go to World of Disney. We'll buy two brand new Magic Bands. We'll assign those to our actual accounts, which will have our ticket and entry entitlements. We'll therefore use the MBs to get into the parks, and to activate our pre-booked FP+. That then means that the plastic cards that were once our tickets will be what we use to get the SDFP from the kiosk.

If that's all right, then I'll go ahead and do it like that.

Yes, that works. So prebook your FP on your primary profiles. Buy MBs. Link MBs to primary profiles (not phantoms!). Use MBs for park entry and to access prebooked FPs. Use the empty cards (formerly tickets) for SDFP at kiosks. Be sure to photograph kiosk screen in case you can't see SDFP bookings on MDE phantoms.

 

[SaoPaolo90]

Wow, we're finally there! Sorry to be such a pain - normally I consider myself a bit of a Disney expert but I haven't been back since they introduced FP+. We'll make sure to get ourselves some bands before heading over to the parks. Thank you very much for your help.

 

[ScrapYap]

Hiro - is it too early to meet at the Nomad Lounge at AK for a glass of white wine? How soon can you get there?

 

[havoc315]

Please reread my posts from this morning. You MOVED your "enter the park" entitlements AWAY from the ghosts to the Actual people. That's why you won't be admitted with your plastic tickets.

I'm not so sure he did that...... I'm confused as to why he ever assigned the active plastic cards (with tickets) to the phantom account and then re-assigned them.

Here is the question --- Which account is showing a valid admission? And are there plastic cards OR MBs assigned to that account?
To enter the park, you need a card OR MB, that is assigned to the ACCOUNT which has a valid admission.
So which account is showing the admission, and which account has the linked cards?

 

[ckelly14]

I'm not so sure he did that...... I'm confused as to why he ever assigned the active plastic cards (with tickets) to the phantom account and then re-assigned them.

Here is the question --- Which account is showing a valid admission? And are there plastic cards OR MBs assigned to that account?
To enter the park, you need a card OR MB, that is assigned to the ACCOUNT which has a valid admission.
So which account is showing the admission, and which account has the linked cards?

I think he was trying to create an "empty" RFID card to use for SDFP. He first linked the card to "lock" the card to that phantom profile, then switched out the admission entitlement.

 

[hiroMYhero]

I'm not so sure he did that...... I'm confused as to why he ever assigned the active plastic cards (with tickets) to the phantom account and then re-assigned them.

He did:

So our tickets arrived yesterday, and I assigned them both to ghost profiles. I then reassigned them to our actual profiles. Does that mean that if I assign a Magicband to the ghost profiles, they'll be able to get SDFP?

Havoc, it's best not to follow Sao's example as his is complicated and instead just refer to ScrapYap's first post in this thread.

 

[havoc315]

He did:



Havoc, it's best not to follow Sao's example as his is complicated and instead just refer to ScrapYap's first post in this thread.

Absolutely, I'm getting dizzy.. but I think there is confusion because he said:
"So our tickets arrived yesterday, and I assigned them both to ghost profiles. I then reassigned them to our actual profiles. Does that mean that if I assign a Magicband to the ghost profiles, they'll be able to get SDFP?"

But I think he is interchangeably using the words tickets and cards. So it's not clear to me whether he assigned the CARDS to the ghosts OR the tickets. And then "reassigned" -- Again, I don't know if the tickets got reassigned, the cards, or both.

 

[ScrapYap]

I'm not so sure he did that...... I'm confused as to why he ever assigned the active plastic cards (with tickets) to the phantom account and then re-assigned them.

Here is the question --- Which account is showing a valid admission? And are there plastic cards OR MBs assigned to that account?
To enter the park, you need a card OR MB, that is assigned to the ACCOUNT which has a valid admission.
So which account is showing the admission, and which account has the linked cards?

At first, Sao was wreaking havoc. But he's got it straightened out now. Now we just have to get Havoc on the road to Damascus!

 

[Lisa F]

it's a shame that Disney does not have a "will call" option for picking up the free magic bands at the resort when you check in for people in other countries where shipping is cost prohibitive. To me that is what created the confusion - the lack of ability to get a MB or other "entry media" assigned to the primary account because of the cost to ship to the UK.