SD on TS

[syko]

For the avery, they tell you that the birds are loose, and ask you if you still want to go around, then the CM walks around with you.

 

[Ms_Butterfly]

It may depend on what the particular displays are in Innoventions at the time. I know there had been a fire safety display at one time that included things like smoke alarms. They may want to warn people about things like that if they are included in the displays at the time.
(You may want to know ahead of time that the SD may be trying to save you LOL )
They also have displays about testing products that include things like pounding items with a sledge hammer and releasing a weight that falls on something else.
I don't think there would be anything that is really SD un-friendly, but there may be some things you would want to know about before you encounter them.

SDs should be fine with stuff like that, though. That is why they go through such a long process of training. I guess Disney is just being careful or something.

When we did Innoventions no CM ever talked to me regarding SD issues - I wonder if the CMs who work there would even know what to say if asked?

 

[Ms_Butterfly]

I remember in Innoventions in WDW how I would drive the ECV all over a spot with sounds. Scared some people lol with my antics.

Ohh, THAT's the reason: in case that silly ECV lady appears again!!

The San Diego aviary has tropical birds, All of a sudden a bird decides to go from point A to Point B. The bird knows what he is doing but for a dog or human it can be startling to suddenly have a bird flying at top speed inches over your head. Also you have to think of the birds and how they may react to a dog. They get used to humans.

Forget the dog; that would freak ME out, LOL!!! Okay, I wouldn't be a ditzy screaming girl, but I would definitely duck and maybe have a low-toned, "Ahh!" or "What the?!" And my dog would prob'ly laugh at me.

 

[mechurchlady]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aGycssGQ3k

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yU3Z6gQDY40
It has hills there and I am the only thing stopping mom from rolling to the bottom of the aviary except for her shoes which are known to stop on a speck of dust. See the bruises from last time she did that, oomph. Great park but the Sandiego Wild Animal Park is in the boondock, got lost, and hils lots of them even with the disabled shuttles.


Aquarium of the Pacific, Long BEach and our last trip
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXe_tGu_hk0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3UniQXEWhM&feature=related
45 seconds into this one ou see a bird fly off of a guest's head.

This is from Innoventions.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyHwIy63R8Y&feature=related

The best thing ever was doing donuts in SeaWorld with an ECV. Do watchout for I am coming to a park near you soon. You would need a bombproof dog around me lol.

YO Sue I did too. Yes I did.

 

[SueM in MN]

SDs should be fine with stuff like that, though. That is why they go through such a long process of training. I guess Disney is just being careful or something.

When we did Innoventions no CM ever talked to me regarding SD issues - I wonder if the CMs who work there would even know what to say if asked?

Some dogs might be trained to react to sounds and get their handler out of danger (like hearing alert dogs).
Or an individual dog may interpret someone swinging a sledge hammer as a threat to their handler. It may not be a problem for most dogs, but it's not the kind of thing you expect to encounter out in the world.

The person who is traing my DD's SD for her has mentioned that (depending on the dog) some get very protective of their person and see protecting them from danger as part of their job. I know people with seeing eye dogs who sometimes have to do some 'convincing' of their dog because what they need the dog to do right then is something the dog did not consider safe.

I don't know why no CM has ever approached you going in though. According to their guidebook, it sounds like they should?

 

[syko]

We go in to innoventions, east and west, all the time...and have never had a CM talk to us about the dog.

 

[mechurchlady]

What do you expect from a company that changes policies at a whim, whose in-park guidebook does not match the online guidebook, and who too often assign employees to jobs without proper training in a lot of things. I have heard of people who are handed a baton and told to keep the crowd moving on the parade. Someday they will get their act together as it is not right to have different sources giving different information.

I did so very much dood it, Sue.

 

[Ms_Butterfly]

Some dogs might be trained to react to sounds and get their handler out of danger (like hearing alert dogs).

True, but for fire alarms, one should have an "off switch"-type command their dog knows, as false alarms are common both in the home and in public. I don't know if they do train this, but I should hope so.

(The scary thing is, there are so many false alarms, people don't actually do anything when the alarm goes off! In the middle of the night, I heard one in a hotel once [bad hotel - could only faintly hear it from our room because we happened to be awake at that moment, since we all happened to have to use the bathroom, and then I realized our room didn't even have detectors in it!] and I looked out the window [which looked into the courtyard] and not a soul was stirring [even from rooms that could hear it better]. In a restaurant once, the alarm kept going off, but everybody ignored it even the first time it went off.)

Or an individual dog may interpret someone swinging a sledge hammer as a threat to their handler. It may not be a problem for most dogs, but it's not the kind of thing you expect to encounter out in the world.

The person who is traing my DD's SD for her has mentioned that (depending on the dog) some get very protective of their person and see protecting them from danger as part of their job. I know people with seeing eye dogs who sometimes have to do some 'convincing' of their dog because what they need the dog to do right then is something the dog did not consider safe.

Guide dogs are trained to have intelligent disobedience. For example, if the human doesn't hear any cars coming so tells the dog to go forward so they can cross the street, but the dog sees a car coming, the dog will not move.

Service dogs are not allowed to be protective in the sense of aggressive, though. They must allow things like EMTs to work on their human in an emergency.

I don't know why no CM has ever approached you going in though. According to their guidebook, it sounds like they should?

It does sound like that, but who knows!

 

[SueM in MN]

True, but for fire alarms, one should have an "off switch"-type command their dog knows, as false alarms are common both in the home and in public. I don't know if they do train this, but I should hope so.

But, some people may want to know an alarm is a possibility ahead of time so that they can be prepared for it. Some may choose not to go in because they don't want their dog exposed.

Guide dogs are trained to have intelligent disobedience. For example, if the human doesn't hear any cars coming so tells the dog to go forward so they can cross the street, but the dog sees a car coming, the dog will not move.

That is exactly what I am talking about. A SD working with a blind person is trained to not follow a command if it would put the person they are working with in danger. Another example would be if the dog has been told to go forward, but sees a danger like a hole in the pavement that the person needs to be guided around.
In the situation of some of the things in Innoventions, the dog may be being told to go against their intelligent disobedience training - i.e. keep going into a situation that the dog perceives as dangerous and would help the person to avoid in real life.
Some people may not want to expose their dog to a situation like that either.

The situation of not obeying commands I was thinking of in particular when I talked about someone having to 'talk' their dog into obeying was a blind college student whose dog was trying to get her to go across the street when the person wanted to turn at that corner. The dog was following the usual path to get to the first class of the day and the student was trying to skip her first class to go for coffee with friends.

Service dogs are not allowed to be protective in the sense of aggressive, though. They must allow things like EMTs to work on their human in an emergency.

There are 2 possible reactions to a perceived threat.
One would be FIGHT or aggression (which we have been warned to watch against and not allow in DD's dog). I would not expect that from a SD unless someone was coming at the handler with a gun or something potentially lethal!
The other response is FLIGHT or in this situation, the dog wanting to remove the person from the danger. That was the reaction I was talking about. It may not be a comfortable situation for either the dog or the person if the dog sees everything in the pavilion as something he/she should be helping the handler to avoid.

Re-looking at the WDW information in the Guidebook, I think it's probably more like all their other warnings. It's up to you to decide it the warning applies to you. So, if the individual SD team has concerns, they would be warned in the book to contact the CM and ask. That might be more what they were getting at.

 

[dclfun]

I'll never forget getting on the "Imagination" ride with Skye. There's one section where a puff of air blasts at you and it hit her right in the face unexpectedly. She flinched but didn't move ( not that she could- she was wedged in the area in front of my chair). I'd have never taken her on that attraction if I'd known as it seemed to have made her really physically uncomfortable. I wish I'd have been warned beforehand about unexpected sounds/sensations. I didn't enjoy the blast of air either, come to think of it.---Kathy

 

[syko]

The air in the Figment ride now comes from behind you, so you might be able to do it?
My SD lies down so it does not get her, but she always raises her head at the wooshing noise.

 

[Ms_Butterfly]

The situation of not obeying commands I was thinking of in particular when I talked about someone having to 'talk' their dog into obeying was a blind college student whose dog was trying to get her to go across the street when the person wanted to turn at that corner. The dog was following the usual path to get to the first class of the day and the student was trying to skip her first class to go for coffee with friends.

Now THAT is a good service dog!!!!! You have to learn your lessons! No skipping class allowed!!

 

[SueM in MN]

Now THAT is a good service dog!!!!! You have to learn your lessons! No skipping class allowed!!

It would be worse that having your parents with you all the time!

 

[Ms_Butterfly]

It would be worse that having your parents with you all the time!

Yeah - at least your parents feed you, not the other way around!