School fundraisers....I HATE them.

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Let me preface this by saying, I prefer to homeschool, which we do for 2 of our children. One of our kids is in public school, at least for now, because he is in more need of a classroom setting than I can provide for him. We still do extra lessons at home, but he needs the schedule of a school day for the most part. (and consequently he is at the top of his class academically, reading 3 grade levels higher than his average classmate in 1st grade)

That said, I am beyond annoyed with the school's attitude in regards to fundraisers. They spend a whole day singing the praises of these programs, getting kids to think they're gonna get some big huge prizes, for selling overpriced meaningless stuff. Why, do we, as a whole nation, feel compelled to participate in these things when we already spend more than a majority of countries around the world per student on education, yet it has become blatantly obvious that increased funding does not equal better educations? NCLB is the worst piece of educational garbage to have come out of Washington....quite possibly ever....and our educational system has become nothing short of the PC Police, more concerned about the test scores of students than what they actually learn. To back up my arguement against fundraisers:

In 1985 in Kansas City, Missouri, a judge ordered the school district to raise taxes and spend more money on public education. Spending was increased so much, that the school district was spending more money per student than any of the country's other 280 largest school districts. Although this very high level of spending continued for more than a decade, there was no improvement in the school district's academic performance.

^ Money And School Performance: Lessons from the Kansas City Desegregation Experiment, Cato Institute, March 16, 1998 ^ Catastrophe in Kansas City, December 1995


According to a 1999 article by William J. Bennett, former U.S. Secretary of Education, increased levels of spending on public education have not made the schools better. Among many other things, the article cites the following statisitcs:

Between 1960 and 1995, U.S. public school spending per student, adjusted for inflation, increased by 212%.
In 1994, less than half of all U.S. public school employees were teachers.
Out of 21 industrialized countries, U.S. 12th graders ranked 19th in math, 16th in science, and last in advanced physics.
^ 20 Troubling Facts about American Education, William J. Bennett, October 1999

According to a 2007 article in The Washington Post, the Washington D.C. public school district spends $12,979 per student per year. This is the third highest level of funding per student out of the 100 biggest school districts in the U.S. Despite this high level of funding, the school district provides outcomes that are lower than the national average. In reading and math, the district's students score the lowest among 11 major school districts - even when poor children are compared only with other poor children. 33% of poor fourth graders in the U.S. lack basic skills in math, but in Washington D.C., it's 62%.

^ Can D.C. Schools Be Fixed?, The Washington Post, June 10, 2007


According to a 2005 report from the OECD, the United States is tied for first place with Switzerland when it comes to annual spending per student on its public schools, with each of those two countries spending more than $11,000 (in U.S. currency). Despite this high level of funding, U.S. public schools lag behind the schools of other rich countries in the areas of reading, math, and science.

^ Who's No. 1? Finland, Japan and Korea, Says OECD
According to a 2006 study by the Goldwater Institute, Arizona's public schools spend 50% more per student than Arizona's private schools. The study also says that while teachers constitute 72% of the employees at private schools, they make up less than half of the staff at public schools. According to the study, if Arizona's public schools wanted to be like private schools, they would have to hire approximately 25,000 more teachers, and eliminate 21,210 administration employees. The study also said that public school teachers are paid about 50% more than private school teachers.

^ Private Schools Now 33% Off!, Cato Institute, October 18, 2006
 
I don't know about your school, but in the school I work at, fundraisers are done by the PTA. The money they make goes towards things like a spring carnival, school dances, and extras for the kids. This year our PTA is trying to raise enough money to buy an air conditioner for each classroom. I agree the stuff is usually junk, but you don't have to participate. We just sent our first one home today. I prefaced it by saying "If your parents are not interested, you can throw it away when you get home."
 
I agree with the previous poster. The vast majority of school fundraisers are organized by and benefit the PTO/PTA. At our school, the PTO uses such funds to pay for enrichment programs (puppet shows, science demonstration-style shows, etc..), field trips, a Thanksgiving Feast for the school, the Teacher Appreciation Breakfast, etc... Our school also has a policy of not giving any rewards for any child/class for sales. Nor do we take any instruction time to market the fundraiser to the kids.

Tell your child, "No, we won't be doing that." If necessary, I would offer to buy my child another small item out of my own pocket... a new Hot Wheels car, for instance.
 
We have a choice.. to either pay $50 and not be bothered selling anything or sell stuff to raise funds. I think I am going to pay $50 and be done with it.
 

We have a choice.. to either pay $50 and not be bothered selling anything or sell stuff to raise funds. I think I am going to pay $50 and be done with it.

Is that a private school? I don't see how a public school could demand that you pay $50 if you don't sell anything. What would they do if you didn't pay?
 
Fundraisers normally have nothing to do with school funding. They are normally done by the PTO and the bulk of the money goes to class trips.
 
I like when they have the cookie-dough for sale.

Of course it never makes it to the oven in my house :rolleyes1

I also don't have children so I don't have the hassle of having to reach sales goals.
 
I like when they have the cookie-dough for sale.

Of course it never makes it to the oven in my house :rolleyes1

I also don't have children so I don't have the hassle of having to reach sales goals.

I think you are doing your part for the "planet". Why bake them when they are better uncooked. ;)
 
Around here fund raisers are kinda optional.

If you are in a club or sport, there are REQUIRED fund raisers. Being in a club or sport is OPTIONAL, nobody is FORCED to join a club or sport.

There were other fund raisers, but 100% optional. Yes they did promote the prizes, but still optional.
 
It seems like the OP has more problems with public school systems than the actual fundraisers themselves.

I actually WORK on the budget for a public school system for my department. I have a $500,000 budget. 80% of my funds go to part of teacher and support staff salaries, with the district's general fund going to the remainder of the salaries. That leaves $100,000 for supplies in 16 classrooms. That's $6250 per class. Text books average $4000 per year per class, which leaves $2250 per class. Each classroom typically has to have a new computer each year. Computer price quote I got last week? $825 per computer. Keep in mind, we have to buy computers from who our technology department says because we have a contract. Then I add about $600 per year in professional development and field trips. That's leaving $825. Then, each teacher at the end of the year has to write IEPs, and supplies for those meetings avarage $250 per teacher. I also need to make sure each teacher has enough money to buy a replacement bulb for their LCD projectors ($300). That leaves $275 per class in discretionary spending. Teachers use it typically to buy notebooks, paper, pencils, folders, markers, etc., that parents don't send their kids to school with. Schools are not over funded, and I have no problem taking part in a PTO sponsored fund raiser to help the kids get something extra.

If the per pupil expenditure is $4000 in a district, and a teacher has 20 students in a class, then that is $80,000, with her salary, building costs, the principal's salary, textbooks, etc., all coming from that. IMO, we need to have more fundraisers and the community as a whole needs to volunteer and put more back into education than complain that their "taxes should be paying for it".
 
the fundraisers in our schools are sponsered by PTA also to help provide extra programs for the schools (enrichment, field days etc) as well as items the school needs (computers, classroom supplies etc)

The last two years, I have chosen not to participate. DD8 came home with Yankee Candles this year (I have approximately 10 Yankee Candle jars already...dont' need anymore) DD11 came home with wrapping paper and other assorted junk. Thanks but no thanks. In this economy I don't really need to be spending money on more "stuff"

I would rather donate money to the PTA and have them get 100% of that money rather than buying some junk I don't want and have the PTA only get a small percentage of that money. The only one I don't mind participating in is cookie dough...at least I know that won't go to waste :laughing: !
 
Our elementary school doesn't routinely do fundraiser. They have a pledge system in place. Parents can pledge money to the school. They typically get enough from that for the smaller items that might be needed at the school. About every other year we have a silent auction to raise money for larger cost items. They first year they did the auction they raised enough for computers for every classroom. Last year they bought a really nice set of handbells for the music program (I am sure there were other things bought too, but that was the $$$ item).
 
Most of our school fundraisers are sponsored by the PTC here. For the past several years I have elected to opt out & donate $ directly to the PTC. I don't have to fuss around with the selling of junk nobody wants, the PTC gets as much or more than they would from me selling the gack & we get a tax write-off to boot, which makes me happy all over again at tax time.
 
We write a $50 check to the PTA and politely decline to sell the fundraising merchandise. On the day of the party that kids get to attend if they sold "X" amount, we take our kids to a jumping place and pizza. I do think the OP has an ax to grind, I just can't figure out why. Obviously her son is benefiting from public schools so support them and take the good with the bad. Our schools and our educators have enough hardships to deal with.
 
Our school (private) does one fundraiser a year. It is by the PTO. We sell raffle tickets for $10 a piece. Each FAMILY, not student, is asked to sell 20 tickets. Between that fundraiser, campbell's soup labels and box tops, last school year enough money was raised to put in smartboards in every classroom (K-8). and a few other things were done around the school too. But that was the big one.
 
Let me preface this by saying, I prefer to homeschool, which we do for 2 of our children. One of our kids is in public school, at least for now, because he is in more need of a classroom setting than I can provide for him. We still do extra lessons at home, but he needs the schedule of a school day for the most part. (and consequently he is at the top of his class academically, reading 3 grade levels higher than his average classmate in 1st grade)

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Hey, my first grader is reading three grade levels higher than she should be. I guess I'm a better parent than everyone else too. :rolleyes: I don't understand the need for this statement as it pertains to the rest of your post. Many kids are reading above grade level. It's commendable, but not uncommon.
 
It seems like the OP has more problems with public school systems than the actual fundraisers themselves.


Yep, that about sums it up.

This year my son's school has the "give us $40 and we'll go away" option. I'm taking it. ;) I don't need more meaningless JUNK but I will NEVER begrudge something that benefits MY child.
 
Hey, my first grader is reading three grade levels higher than she should be. I guess I'm a better parent than everyone else too. :rolleyes: I don't understand the need for this statement as it pertains to the rest of your post. Many kids are reading above grade level. It's commendable, but not uncommon.

Actually, if you read carefully, the OP said "consequently" meaning that there is a cause and effect relationship between her child attending public school and being above level in reading, that being above grade level is a CONSEQUENCE of attending public school.

I wonder if she meant to compliment the school. :confused3
 


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