School board OKs return to classroom after sex change

[ducklite]

"They" meaning kids, and since you don't say "some" kids, but rather imply "all" kids, let's look at the following:



OK, my kids would notice this teacher was now, ahem, different. Does that mean that every kid would also notice? You don't believe so. But me knowing that my kids would notice, and me knowing that I myself would have noticed if this had happened to me as a kid, proves that some kids would notice, so it isn't correct to say "they just don't think of things with a sexual connotation." How old are your kids? If you think kids don't think of things with a sexual connotation, you're hiding under a rock!

I truly believe that younger kids (mine is almost 20) take simple but truthful explanations at face value, and only get freaked when they are feeding off the vibes adults are sending out. So a truthful explanation like "Mrs. Smith wasn't happy being a man anymore so she's now a woman" will be acceptable to most younger kids. I truly don't believe the average seven year old puts a sexual connotation behind everything.

Anne

 

[disneyguy33]

I truly believe that younger kids (mine is almost 20) take simple but truthful explanations at face value, and only get freaked when they are feeding off the vibes adults are sending out. So a truthful explanation like "Mrs. Smith wasn't happy being a man anymore so she's now a woman" will be acceptable to most younger kids. I truly don't believe the average seven year old puts a sexual connotation behind everything.

Anne

Wow. Spin it however you want, and if it is the case for you and your kid(s) then it is.

But it is not the case for many others, and many parents, myself included, would want to give a much more detailed explanation that corresponds to our belief system. If you don't choose to, that of course is your business. Just don't lump everyone together, b/c everyone obviously doesn't believe the way you do, just as everyone doesn't believe the way I do.

13 years ago, when your child was 7, in 1993, things were a lot different than being 7 now, in 2006. Much different.

 

[JennyMominRI]

Wow. Spin it however you want, and if it is the case for you and your kid(s) then it is.

But it is not the case for many others, and many parents, myself included, would want to give a much more detailed explanation that corresponds to our belief system. If you don't choose to, that of course is your business. Just don't lump everyone together, b/c everyone obviously doesn't believe the way you do, just as everyone doesn't believe the way I do.

13 years ago, when your child was 7, in 1993, things were a lot different than being 7 now, in 2006. Much different.

What religious belief is a transexual violating?

 

[ducklite]

So we should teach them to "accept" murderers, rapists, child molesters, terrorists, too? They are certainly defined as "others", aren't they? How many people who have responded thus far on this topic would also accept these folks, do you think? Would you?

My point is that we will teach our kids to accept what we believe to be morally, ethically or religiously correct. And different people have different beliefs about what is "correct", so different people will also be accepting, or not accepting, of different lifestyles, based upon their own beliefs. If you believe that a transexual lifestyle is OK, then of course you'll accept it, and teach others you know to accept it. If I don't, I won't accept it, nor will I teach others I know to accept it, either.

Wow. Saying that someone is crimnal because they are of a different race, color, sexual orientation or whatever is just pathetic.

You are talking about criminals, and of course they are not acceptable. Come up with a rational argument and I"ll be happy to further discuss it.

BTW--I was brough up by a tolerant mom and a bigoted dad. I'm glad that my mom's acceptance of others, even if they were different than me, rubbed off on me. As much as I loved my dad, I despise his ignorance and intolerance.

I hope one of your kids turns out to be gay. Then we'll see how you feel about it. And for the record if my son came to me and said he was gay I'd still love him, nothing would change. I'd still be telling him to practice safe sex.

Anne

 

[cardaway]

I can't believe the tired "but would you accept a child molester or murderer" argument is being thrown out again.

 

[ducklite]

And as I've said before, MY point is that I, and many others, don't believe that transexualism is correct, either morally, ethically or religiously, whatever our particular case may be, and we choose not to accept those actions.

Then you can pull out your wallets and pay for private school, because unless they do something illegal, they are, and will continue to be in our schools. And they are protected under Federal Law. EEOC baby.

Anne

 

[disneyguy33]

What religious belief is a transexual violating?

Who said it was a religious belief? I think you'll find, by reading my prior posts, that I said "moral, ethical or religious", but did not specify which.

 

[MAKmom]

MAK Mom, I accept transsexuals because I understand what transsexualism is and is not. Transsexuals have a pyschiatric diagnosis called gender dysphoria disorder. The medical community estimates that 1% of the population has this disorder, which manifests itself in early childhood. People with this condition are convinced that they are in the wrong body. Hence the mind is one gender, the body the other.

Transsexuals are not predators and they certainly do not try to recruit or change anyone. They are people just like the rest of us.

I understand they are not predators. I do not think its sinful or anything like that. It's the Pyschiatric disorder that concerns me or I should say the stability of the gender dysphoria disorder.

I love this board because things are brought up I would never think about in my non-diz life. I'm a work in progress... this board helps me grow as person.
It also puts me in touch with people that are like me which I do not find in my real life.

 

[JennyMominRI]

Who said it was a religious belief? I think you'll find, by reading my prior posts, that I said "moral, ethical or religious", but did not specify which.

Right,and I wonder ,specifically, which religious belief you think that others may feel a transexual may violate? I understand some religions believe homosexuality is wrong,but most transexuals are not homosexuals

 

[Maleficent13]

cardaway, why do you have a dancing red "X" as your avatar? It's been bugging me for awhile now...I assume it's something but I just can't see it.

As for not realizing that a transexual is JUST EXACTLY AS EVIL as a child molester or murderer, well, obviously you are in denial.

 

[ducklite]

I understand they are not predators. I do not think its sinful or anything like that. It's the Pyschiatric disorder that concerns me or I should say the stability of the gender dysphoria disorder.

So any teacher that is under the care of a psychiatrist shouldn't be allowed to teach? My guess is that would eliminate a measurable number who are being treated for many things including depression and OCD. Why would gender dysphoria disorder cause someone to be unstable--and you seem to imply a danger? If this isn't the case, please explain.

Anne

 

[MAKmom]

So is the argument then that you can only "not accept" someone if they harm others? What about you? You say that you don't accept a murderer, but you've never been personally harmed yourself by a murderer, as evidenced by the fact that you're alive to write on this board. So a murderer hasn't directly and personally harmed you; why wouldn't you accept one? Because you don't believe that murder is correct, either morally, ethically or religiously, whatever the case may be.

And as I've said before, MY point is that I, and many others, don't believe that transexualism is correct, either morally, ethically or religiously, whatever our particular case may be, and we choose not to accept those actions.

Why are you so extreme & hard to communicate with? It's like you have to WIN at all cost.

 

[ducklite]

Why are you so extreme & hard to communicate with? It's like you have to WIN at all cost.

With the post count, this is someone who logged in under a different name jsut to stir the pot. I'm about done with him. Next we'll be hearing there never was a Holocaust and the Iraqi's had WMD's, we just haven't found them yet because the French went in first and hid them all.

Anne

 

[disneyguy33]

Ducklite,

I agree 100% about the racial/sexual orientation thing not being "criminal." Where did I say that this person was "criminal"? I just said that I don't "accept" what he/she is doing. Might want to re-read my posts, if you're unsure.

What's irrational about my argument? People choose to accept or not accept based upon what they believe. That's all I'm saying. You believe what the teacher did is OK, therefore you accept it as correct. I don't, therefore I don't accept it as correct. You're right, that's pretty irrational...

Not sure how your family dynamic growing up is relevant to the discussion at hand, but sorry for any family troubles you may have had.

I thought it was said earlier, I think by someone else, that a transexual wasn't necessarily gay? If my son came to me and told me he was gay, I would love him also. I would tell him that I don't agree with his lifestyle, and that I think it is wrong, but I would love him, b/c he's my son. Remember, look back at my posts, and you'll see I never said anywhere that I hate this person, only that I don't accept what he/she has done as being correct.

As to the comment about your "hope" for one of my kids, though rude, I'll let it pass right on by without further comment.

 

[disneyguy33]

Why are you so extreme & hard to communicate with? It's like you have to WIN at all cost.

How am I extreme? Is it b/c I disagree with what appears to be the general consensus on this topic?

How am I hard to communicate with? I've answered all questions thrown my way, and been respectful doing so, even when the questions and/or comments towards me weren't quite so respectful.

Who said I'm trying to WIN anything? Am I not allowed to express my viewpoint on the subject, as others have expressed theirs, and disagree with others, as they have disagreed with me?

 

[MAKmom]

So any teacher that is under the care of a psychiatrist shouldn't be allowed to teach? My guess is that would eliminate a measurable number who are being treated for many things including depression and OCD. Why would gender dysphoria disorder cause someone to be unstable--and you seem to imply a danger? If this isn't the case, please explain.

Anne

You like to take something someone says & turn it into a "So everyone who is this and that you think is this & that" Stop doing that. Your putting words in my mouth.

I think cutting off your ***** is a little creepy. It's the way I feel but just because I feel this way does not mean I'm right.

No I don't think everyone who is under the care of a psychiatrist shouldn't be allowed to teach. If you read my OP I said I'm not sure what I would do.

I would rather a person not under the care of a psychiatrist be teaching my 3rd grader.

 

[disneyguy33]

With the post count, this is someone who logged in under a different name jsut to stir the pot. I'm about done with him. Next we'll be hearing there never was a Holocaust and the Iraqi's had WMD's, we just haven't found them yet because the French went in first and hid them all.

Anne

Wow. All this info you've gathered about me in just 7 posts? It's amazing how people react to others who disagree with them. You disagree with me, but am I accusing you of anything, or "hoping" your kids have problems? Nope. So why are you doing that to me?

And I know the thought may not have occurred to you, but what if, just what if, I'm a new member on the DIS, who just hasn't been around here very long but saw a topic that interested him? Might that be a possibility?

 

[DawnCt1]

Key word, "MANY". Not all. So you'll damn someone with a good track record without giving them a chance? Wow. I hope to heck that I never have to have someone as close minded as you providing my medical care.

Anne

Anne, I fail to see how my observations were damning and frankly, I was as far from closed minded as you could get. Of course I didn't say "all". I said those that I had an interaction with. These people are at a clear disadvantage.
The male to female were all raised to be men from the time they were babies. They weren't taught the cultural behavior expected of women, they could only behave in a manner that saw women behave in that was a perception and not what works in society.. They didn't have the advantage of being daughters and taught what was culturally and socially acceptable. I spent a lot of time doing just that kind of patient teaching. Those things do not come naturally. You could only be so lucky to have someone like me providing your nursing care if you were in that situation.

 

[Planogirl]

The only thing I can see happening if Mr Teacher left the classroom and came back as Ms Teacher is a bit of initial confusion on the part of the kids and likely some whispering and giggling for a while. Kids are resilient and will likely forget that anything changed given time. I suspect that older students could be cruel if given the chance but that's a failure on the part of the kids not the teacher.

I fail to see how Ms Teacher did anything morally wrong. They simply made themself comfortable in their own skin and I fail to see how that affects anyone else.

 

[ducklite]

Wow. All this info you've gathered about me in just 7 posts? It's amazing how people react to others who disagree with them. You disagree with me, but am I accusing you of anything, or "hoping" your kids have problems? Nope. So why are you doing that to me?

And I know the thought may not have occurred to you, but what if, just what if, I'm a new member on the DIS, who just hasn't been around here very long but saw a topic that interested him? Might that be a possibility?

Possible but IMHO very doubtful. And I don't think being gay is a "problem", so I don't see anything wrong with what I said. I think it would be a perverse irony is all.

Anne