Scared & need your thoughts -DD is getting notes

[RitaZ.]

Tantor~ Have you thought of asking the administration to temporarily move your daughter to another 4th grade class? I'm sure they would comply under the circumstances. I'm sure that you don't want to upset your daughter any further, but if the person doing this is in her class, then it would much harder for them to have access to your daughter. Just a thought.

My son is in 4th grade and is quite bright. I really can't imagine a child that young pulling something like this off, just too much planning and thought involved. If it turns out that this is a child writing the notes, I will be shocked.

 

[VSL]

I really can't imagine a child that young pulling something like this off, just too much planning and thought involved. If it turns out that this is a child writing the notes, I will be shocked.

 

[MrsPete]

I know the resource officer is a police officer! A police OFFICER and a police DETECTIVE are two separate ranks. (and two different pay scales as well!) There are many more OFFICERS than DETECTIVES. That is just a fact.

So, like I said in my post, I'm thinking the resource officer is not a DETECTIVE.

I'm aware of that; however, the resource officer is the one who'd contact the appropriate detective(s) from the police department. So many people keep saying, "Go to the real police." I think people don't know that the resource officer IS real police! The resource officer isn't someone's mom who volunteers to monitor lunch room and playground behavior.

 

[UrsulasMyHero]

Thanks for the update Tantor. Your Family is in my thoughts tonight. *hug*

 

[laurie31]

Hey, no advice from me, just

My dd1 is in 4th grade and I know this would upset her badly. (not to mention DH and I would be horribly freaked out )

I hope this is resolved soon.

Laurie

 

[TLHB70]

Wait, I'm confused. Are you saying that the teacher hasn't viewed the letters?

I am wondering the same thing. What has been the trail with the notes? If the girl/daughter is finding them during class (or whenever), what does she do with them if she doesn't give them to the teacher? Does she bring them straight to the principal? If the teacher hasn't seen the writing yet, who is comparing the handwriting samples. I would think that the administration/officer would WANT the teacher to see the writing since she looks at all of the classmates' writing all day during the school week. I would think that everyone would see the teacher's opinions/input as very valuable and helpful. Why hasn't she seen them?
I understand that anyone can disguise handwriting, adult and child. I also understand that this is very frustrating and that everyone is doing all that they can think of to solve this. I understand that the OP hasn't been able to explain all of the details to us. She knows everything that is happening, how it is happening, and we are just getting bits and pieces.
Please know that my heart and prayers go out to you and your family!!!!!!!

 

[Wishing on a star]

Interesting discussion about the 'note trail'.

So, all of sudden, we are speculating that out of these several notes being found, obviously being left in the classroom, the teacher has not even seen them, or have copies of them?

Has there been NO real investigation here???
Has there been NO attempt to identify or entrap the guilty person?
Who actually has these letters?
Has there been no Detective (yes 'Detective') involved?
Has the OP ever actually signed (yes, signed) a report/complaint?

Just to many unanswered questions.
Too many questions to be sure.

 

[KAMLEM]

So, all of sudden, we are speculating that out of these several notes being found, obviously being left in the classroom, the teacher has not even seen them, or have copies of them?

Nobody is speculating, the OP stated that she was making copies of them to give the teacher on Monday so apparently she does not already have copies.

 

[Wishing on a star]

Well, if I were a teacher, and I were to come upon this situation, the first thing I would do is to start documenting and making sure I had copies of the notes!!! So, yes, I am assuming that a lot of this is speculation.

Does the Principal have copies?

What about the resource officer? Have they even done anything at all.

If this is how the school is handling this...

 

[TnKrBeLlA012]

I read the whole thread. My thought is way too many questions. So the best advice would be stop making a guessing game out of it and let the OP handle it or the police. If it was such a big deal it would be on tv. Stories like this don't go unnoticed by local tv stations. Other parents would also be making more out of this for the protection of their own children. I'm sure we on the disboard will not solve the "MYSTERY." Good luck to the OP. I hope all goes well.

 

[AnaheimGirl]

About the handwriting. Although anyone can attempt to disguise their handwriting, and probably fool you and me, I'm sure there are handwriting experts who cannot be fooled as easily. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm sure I've read something about this. Even when one tries to disguise their handwriting, there are certain tiny things, like the pressure of the downstroke, etc, that most people will not be able to disguise. Right? Anyway, I hope they have some handwriting experts looking at these notes and comparing them to other writing of all students and adults in the school, rather than relying on a teacher's familiarity with her students handwriting.

Tantor, I'm so sorry you and your family are going through this. It must be terrifying for all of you. I hope it gets resolved quickly, and until then, you and your daughter are in my thoughts and prayers.

Oh, one more thing. I don't know you at all, so please don't take this the wrong way. If by chance it does turn out that your dd is doing this herself, for the attention, please don't be too hard on her about it. A child who does such a thing is crying for help, and will need a lot of love, patience and understanding to sort through whatever pain made her do it. Again, I don't know you and I'm not saying that you don't already realize this. You probably do, but I know it might be so upsetting that some parents might forget.

 

[LisaR]

About the handwriting. Although anyone can attempt to disguise their handwriting, and probably fool you and me, I'm sure there are handwriting experts who cannot be fooled as easily.

If these notes are being written by a 4th or 5th grader, I can't imagine they would be very good at disguising their handwriting. At that age, handwriting is still a major chore to most. To consciously write a way that is different from their normal writing seems like a difficult task, if you ask me. Heck, as an adult it would be difficult to remember to make your commas backward every time but it would certainly be easier for an adult to do then a 10 year old.

 

[goofyshell]

Tantor-I am praying for your daughter and your whole family. Hug her tight and keep us posted please.

 

[Belle0101]

I know it's already been touched on but I'll take a go at it too. Canadian law / procedures and U.S. law / procedures are probably different. Even from state to state here in the U.S. some laws / procedures are different.

Unfortunately, we had a situation at my son's school this past January and besides my husband and the authorities, nobody knows the entire story. I still have days where I fight back tears thinking about what my son went through but I keep some things private to protect him.

The decision that my husband and I made regarding the situation caused us a lot grief. Even the school was negative towards us when presented with our decision and yet they are the ones who did not protect my son and couldn't satisfactorily assure us that my son would be safe in the future.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that none of us really knows what we would do if we were in Karen's shoes. I still hear from people how strong I am and how they couldn't have done what I've done and what I continue to do. You don't know until you're pushed into a corner what you would do. And from where I'm sitting, you don't want to be in that corner - ever.

So, I have total faith in Karen and her husband that they are doing what they feel to be right with what they know to be true. Should the situation change, more facts come to light, I'm sure they'll do what needs to be done.

I've met Karen, her husband and Chloe (remember Hershey Karen?) and they did not then nor do they now seem to me to be people who don't take the welfare of their child, their only child at that, seriously. I'd like to think I'm a good judge of character and to me they seemed to be a loving and caring family.

Karen, I'm sorry you're having to go through all this. I wish there was something I could do or say to make it better. It will pass, there will be brighter days but for now just know that there are lots of people praying for your family and keeping your family in their thoughts. Give Chloe an extra hug tonight from all her friends on this side of the border ... and be safe.

 

[Blondie]

I'm keeping you and your DD in my thoughts and prayers. I hope they nab the person who is doing this soon!

 

[Tuffcookie]

Belle 0101 wrote: Karen, I'm sorry you're having to go through all this. I wish there was something I could do or say to make it better. It will pass, there will be brighter days but for now just know that there are lots of people praying for your family and keeping your family in their thoughts. Give Chloe an extra hug tonight from all her friends on this side of the border ... and be safe.



To the OP: We mean well. We're just concerned for what you're going thru. Anybody that hurts a DISer, well, it's like hurting family!!!

TC

 

[AnaheimGirl]

If these notes are being written by a 4th or 5th grader, I can't imagine they would be very good at disguising their handwriting. At that age, handwriting is still a major chore to most. To consciously write a way that is different from their normal writing seems like a difficult task, if you ask me. Heck, as an adult it would be difficult to remember to make your commas backward every time but it would certainly be easier for an adult to do then a 10 year old.

Oh yes, it would be hard for me, too. I wouldn't think a child could disguise thier handwriting very well, either, but didn't she say that the teacher had looked at it and found nothing? (Oh, OK, looked it up, in the first post, she says the principal did samples on her class.) Anyway, if the teacher and/or principal can't note any similarities, maybe an expert could. And maybe they need to check more kids' handwriting samples, the whole grade, then grades whose classrooms are nearby, then the whole school if need be, if they aren't finding any similarities with the kids in her class. Just trying to throw out ideas to help.

Oh, and Tantor, I'm sorry about what I wrote before about your dd being the one doing it. I just now saw your other post where you said you already talked to her about it. That's what I get for not reading all the posts. Hang in there.

 

[laura001]

I agree with the others. You need to go to the police right away. I am a little surprised that the principal did not do this already, although he must have his reasons. Has he ever had anything like this happen in the school before?

My thoughts and prayers will be with you and your family for a quick and safe outcome to all of this.

 

[RitaZ.]

I know it's already been touched on but I'll take a go at it too. Canadian law / procedures and U.S. law / procedures are probably different. Even from state to state here in the U.S. some laws / procedures are different.

Unfortunately, we had a situation at my son's school this past January and besides my husband and the authorities, nobody knows the entire story. I still have days where I fight back tears thinking about what my son went through but I keep some things private to protect him.

The decision that my husband and I made regarding the situation caused us a lot grief. Even the school was negative towards us when presented with our decision and yet they are the ones who did not protect my son and couldn't satisfactorily assure us that my son would be safe in the future.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that none of us really knows what we would do if we were in Karen's shoes. I still hear from people how strong I am and how they couldn't have done what I've done and what I continue to do. You don't know until you're pushed into a corner what you would do. And from where I'm sitting, you don't want to be in that corner - ever.

So, I have total faith in Karen and her husband that they are doing what they feel to be right with what they know to be true. Should the situation change, more facts come to light, I'm sure they'll do what needs to be done.

I've met Karen, her husband and Chloe (remember Hershey Karen?) and they did not then nor do they now seem to me to be people who don't take the welfare of their child, their only child at that, seriously. I'd like to think I'm a good judge of character and to me they seemed to be a loving and caring family.

Karen, I'm sorry you're having to go through all this. I wish there was something I could do or say to make it better. It will pass, there will be brighter days but for now just know that there are lots of people praying for your family and keeping your family in their thoughts. Give Chloe an extra hug tonight from all her friends on this side of the border ... and be safe.

Good post, Simba. I think that Tantor (Karen) has handled the replies very well, especially the ones that suggested that her daughter may have written the notes.

Karen, I hope this whole situation comes to a positive end very soon.

 

[Tantor]

I know it's already been touched on but I'll take a go at it too. Canadian law / procedures and U.S. law / procedures are probably different. Even from state to state here in the U.S. some laws / procedures are different.

Unfortunately, we had a situation at my son's school this past January and besides my husband and the authorities, nobody knows the entire story. I still have days where I fight back tears thinking about what my son went through but I keep some things private to protect him.

The decision that my husband and I made regarding the situation caused us a lot grief. Even the school was negative towards us when presented with our decision and yet they are the ones who did not protect my son and couldn't satisfactorily assure us that my son would be safe in the future.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that none of us really knows what we would do if we were in Karen's shoes. I still hear from people how strong I am and how they couldn't have done what I've done and what I continue to do. You don't know until you're pushed into a corner what you would do. And from where I'm sitting, you don't want to be in that corner - ever.

So, I have total faith in Karen and her husband that they are doing what they feel to be right with what they know to be true. Should the situation change, more facts come to light, I'm sure they'll do what needs to be done.

I've met Karen, her husband and Chloe (remember Hershey Karen?) and they did not then nor do they now seem to me to be people who don't take the welfare of their child, their only child at that, seriously. I'd like to think I'm a good judge of character and to me they seemed to be a loving and caring family.

Karen, I'm sorry you're having to go through all this. I wish there was something I could do or say to make it better. It will pass, there will be brighter days but for now just know that there are lots of people praying for your family and keeping your family in their thoughts. Give Chloe an extra hug tonight from all her friends on this side of the border ... and be safe.

Thanks Michelle. That means alot to me.
Hubby is getting on the phone tomorrow with police and director of the school board as we are now at a standstill with the principal. She sent a pretty crappy note via email after DH emailed about how now other children are being attacked by this and about a camera being installed. He is mad as he**. Chloe will not be going to school next week till this is resolved. I will also change schools if I have too.
I am now going to bed.