Saving spots in line

[MychaelP]

Delete please

 

[cp11]

While you're free to vent, I want to give you my scenario. I have a problem with needing to use the restroom every 20 to 30 mins. So if there is a wait more than 45 mins or so, I need to get out of line, use the restroom and then catch back up to my family. My going to the restroom always seems to have one of my children wanting to go with me, of course.

So the last trip while getting into line of TSM I stopped and asked a CM what do I do because I know that people say things and get mad. Well, guess what happened, I ended up receiving a special pass for our whole party of 8 so we didn't have to stand any line anymore.

Now, I didn't ask for this, but people acting the way they do to us honest folk, I guess I will keep using what we have affectionately dubbed mom's potty pass.

I feel bad using the system, but because of people and their instant attitude that my family is saving me a spot in line, is the reason that we will have to use this everytime we go, at least for the major lines. We did not use it on anything that was under half an hour.

And just to add, no I do not drink too much etc. I tend to not drink enough and usually end up very dehydrated during our summer visits because I know that I end up having to use the restroom so often and it does interfere with my family's enjoyment also because my having to stop at every restroom we walk by. Yes, they do wait for me quite a bit. But I am very efficient and quick at using the restroom, let me tell ya!

So I do apologize to you, I AM one of those people that I guess you hate.

So I guess my pic will be up on some website with capital letters as a felon??!!

 

[sherilaine]

I do not disagree with one person or one person and a child, leaving a line they were already patiently waiting in, to attend to a washroom need, and then returning to their party. Provided there is at least one person to hold their place while they are gone. When this happens in a lengthly line, people see the person leaving and returning.

However, I believe the OP was referring to 1 person trying to save a spot in line for numerous other people to join them, which is entirely unacceptable in my opinion.

There was a recent thread that got quite lengthy on this board and that seemed to be the general consensus from the discussion; that when you are in line and you have to leave and return to the line it is entirely different than never being in line at all and then pushing and butting in with your one-token-line-saver-person.

For the PP who has the washroom issue, please do not be mad at those of us who do not like ignorant people to butt into line, be mad at all the people who disregard everyone else and selfishly push their way through a line as they are the ones who have caused the bad rep. I think your situation is entirely understandable - do I think you should not have to wait in line at all - certainly not, unless there is no one else with you who could save your place in line and the line is going to take at least 20 minutes. However, I think it was kind of the CM to provide you with a solution that eliminates any need for you to be confronted with judgmental people who do not understand your situation - as who really wants to reveal their bathroom needs to perfect strangers who are yelling at them?

The idea of taking pictures and posting them and trying to identify them though, I think that idea is going to go over like a lead balloon here!

 

[Disney Dreams]

So my wife and I finally rode RSR. A great ride however, while in line we experienced 11 instances of people snaking their way through the line to catch up to a single person saving a spot for them. We didn't care for this and said something. Were basically yelled at, while no one around us said anything. So from now on I will be taking photos of everyone who does this and posting on a new website (free for me since I have unlimited at my hosting site), linking to facebook with their facial recognition built-in software. All legal as public spaces, public sites. I will mention if they want to smile as they walk but us crowding people. Something should be done about this, and Disney told us they don't confront line cutters officially at the park on our way out.
I know some of you won't like this idea, but it is the only thing I can think of to do that is less confrontational. Hey, they do this on the news here in L.A. all the time, so why not us too?
my rant... time for people to do something about this type of thing.

I guess it depends on your goal. I don't think your solution will change anything or alter people's line behavior if that's your hope. It may perhaps make you feel better if that's your goal. I just hope you connect the right person's Facebook page before publicly accusing strangers of something that is not illegal in any way. You could make some very quick enemies if the software connects the wrong person out of the million possible matches.

Just my thoughts,
Dreams

 

[cp11]

I do not disagree with one person or one person and a child, leaving a line they were already patiently waiting in, to attend to a washroom need, and then returning to their party. Provided there is at least one person to hold their place while they are gone. When this happens in a lengthly line, people see the person leaving and returning.

However, I believe the OP was referring to 1 person trying to save a spot in line for numerous other people to join them, which is entirely unacceptable in my opinion.

There was a recent thread that got quite lengthy on this board and that seemed to be the general consensus from the discussion; that when you are in line and you have to leave and return to the line it is entirely different than never being in line at all and then pushing and butting in with your one-token-line-saver-person.

For the PP who has the washroom issue, please do not be mad at those of us who do not like ignorant people to butt into line, be mad at all the people who disregard everyone else and selfishly push their way through a line as they are the ones who have caused the bad rep. I think your situation is entirely understandable - do I think you should not have to wait in line at all - certainly not, unless there is no one else with you who could save your place in line and the line is going to take at least 20 minutes. However, I think it was kind of the CM to provide you with a solution that eliminates any need for you to be confronted with judgmental people who do not understand your situation - as who really wants to reveal their bathroom needs to perfect strangers who are yelling at them?

The idea of taking pictures and posting them and trying to identify them though, I think that idea is going to go over like a lead balloon here!

Thanks! You are probably right. I did not see it that way. But I am sure I am overly sensitive because of the way I have been treated and it is very embarrassing for me to say, sorry I can't hold my urine. Trust me, I do not like to admit it. Of course, my party had no problem with it. They were benefitting from it. Haha

Great perspective. Thanks again. Hopefully I won't see my picture on a milk cartoon in the near future.

 

[CaptainEIEIO]

While it is not liked it is totally legal at Disneyland.

We asked a CM about this during our last trip and were told that it is totally acceptable for one person to hold spots in line for friends and they have been instructed to do nothing about it but take the complaints and then explain to people why they may be doing it. So while it is not liked by many (me included) it is totally acceptable by Disneyland and for their guests no matter what the reason is.

As far as making a web site goes I think that idea sucks. You don't have the right to put someone's face on a website for line cutting, especially when you don't know why they are doing it. They may have a perfectly good reason. It just doesn't sound right to me.

 

[lovebug33]

I think you are overreacting and making a website seems awfully rude. People cut. It stinks. That is the way life is. I would be royally angry if somebody took my picture and put it on a website.

 

[Dot2Vegas]

So my wife and I finally rode RSR. A great ride however, while in line we experienced 11 instances of people snaking their way through the line to catch up to a single person saving a spot for them. We didn't care for this and said something. Were basically yelled at, while no one around us said anything. So from now on I will be taking photos of everyone who does this and posting on a new website (free for me since I have unlimited at my hosting site), linking to facebook with their facial recognition built-in software. All legal as public spaces, public sites. I will mention if they want to smile as they walk but us crowding people. Something should be done about this, and Disney told us they don't confront line cutters officially at the park on our way out.
I know some of you won't like this idea, but it is the only thing I can think of to do that is less confrontational. Hey, they do this on the news here in L.A. all the time, so why not us too?
my rant... time for people to do something about this type of thing.

Obviously I do not agree with token spot holders and people who cut in line, but those people are never going to go away. Disney is not going to make them go away. It's something that you just have to accept, in my opinion, part of being in amusement park.
I occasionally get out of line to take one of my children to the bathroom while my husband and other children stay in line. We are polite about it and always apologize to the people around us (and everyone understands). If I caught someone taking my photo or even worse, a photo of my children, I would not be so polite. And that person probably would not have a camera anymore.

 

[ChrisSD]

I think you are overreacting and making a website seems awfully rude. People cut. It stinks. That is the way life is. I would be royally angry if somebody took my picture and put it on a website.

Don't go out in public then.

 

[pixiewings71]

If you put my face or my children's face on any website without my permission you will be speaking with my lawyer. That's all.

 

[sherilaine]

Don't go out in public then.

There is a big difference with someone taking your picture and it finding it's way onto the internet - and taking your picture and putting it on the internet CLAIMING you did something wrong!

I do not care if I get caught on camera, as I am not likely doing anything wrong, but if someone did take my picture when I was doing nothing wrong and put it on the internet on this site, and accused me of butting in line, when I did not, that would be entirely different.

And to be honest, I think the people who do butt in line, and do so with complete disregard for the inconvenience or rudeness of their actions, would likely not care less what someone did with their picture being taken while doing so! So I think the OP fails to understand that the people he correctly identifies are not likely to care what he does with their picture - it is the people he identifies incorrectly that will be upset.

However the OP is 100% right that it is not illegal - pointless, but not illegal.

 

[ChrisSD]

If you put my face or my children's face on any website without my permission you will be speaking with my lawyer. That's all.

If I did, I wouldn't take your lawyers call as it is perfectly legal - there is no expectation of privacy in public. Countless case law says so. If you sued, the case would be thrown out. You may even find yourself counter-sued for malicious prosecution. That's all.

 

[Gatordude]

The line cutters are oblivious to any and everything else but themselves

Not talking about ones that have to jump out of line for the toilet, phone call , ect.

But the " classy " people who use the token line holder then jump in when it benefits them.

Self indulgent entitled little **** holes.

Yep, I said it and will defend it.

 

[MychaelP]

I probably should have waited after writing the rant before posting it. I apologize if anyone was upset. If only there was a way Disney could politely ask people not to do this type of thing. I don't have an issue if someone needed to leave a line due to medical issues, or simply needed to use the restroom. It is for when a single person holds a place for 6 or 7 others, of which happened last night around 7pm, 3 separate times! Sometimes kids were climbing over the railings since ducking through them seemed impossible due to their large sizes. This could be dangerous if they fell as well.
Seems things probably won't change however, but I still think I will post the photos. I know there is no legal issue with posting them, as long as it isn't to cause harm, of which it isn't.
If others have some good constructive ideas, let's go as a group, maybe put together a letter to Disney corporate. Maybe someone here has great writing skills, as I seem not to.
Thanks for the civil discussion..

 

[mamaCta]

Obviously there isn't much we can do to stop you, but I doubt you will get much support for your idea.

I also don't think it will do anything to affect change. You will at most get a few thousands hits a week. The odds of those being the actual people who would cut in line at Disney are slim to nil. If those people are doing it already without remorse after being confronted in person, a photo on some guy's website is not going to change them.

 

[gunka]

I probably should have waited after writing the rant before posting it. I apologize if anyone was upset. If only there was a way Disney could politely ask people not to do this type of thing. I don't have an issue if someone needed to leave a line due to medical issues, or simply needed to use the restroom. It is for when a single person holds a place for 6 or 7 others, of which happened last night around 7pm, 3 separate times! Sometimes kids were climbing over the railings since ducking through them seemed impossible due to their large sizes. This could be dangerous if they fell as well.
Seems things probably won't change however, but I still think I will post the photos. I know there is no legal issue with posting them, as long as it isn't to cause harm, of which it isn't.
If others have some good constructive ideas, let's go as a group, maybe put together a letter to Disney corporate. Maybe someone here has great writing skills, as I seem not to.
Thanks for the civil discussion..

I understand your frustration. I have also learned the lesson of writing and email and/or post when frustrated. Now I always wait one day before hitting submit/send.

I feel the same way about people that misuse the Single Rider Line. I have witnessed this as well. And what is shocking when they end up sitting together. I recently watched a family go through the SRL at RSR the mom and dad were split up, but the three kids rode together. I also watched a Dad take his two small kids boy and girl through the line- I was appalled as I would never let my DD ride with a stranger. The CM ended up putting them all together.

 

[tdhickey]

Here is my take on the issue...

1) this is rare, maybe once or twice a day someone will ask you to move so they can get in line

2) I experience a whole 30 second delay on that ride because of it - therefore not a big deal

3) if someone is rude and pushes me, I will gently confront them about it

4) other people can take pictures of you and do the same thing, might not work out so well for you if they make a defamation claim. plus they can whip out their camera and start taking pictures of you too.

 

[perlster]

This is not an "amusement park" problem - it's a Disney problem.

Other theme park companies plainly state that line jumpers and place holders can be ejected. Disney chooses to do nothing.

 

[Dot2Vegas]

I probably should have waited after writing the rant before posting it. I apologize if anyone was upset. If only there was a way Disney could politely ask people not to do this type of thing. I don't have an issue if someone needed to leave a line due to medical issues, or simply needed to use the restroom. It is for when a single person holds a place for 6 or 7 others, of which happened last night around 7pm, 3 separate times! Sometimes kids were climbing over the railings since ducking through them seemed impossible due to their large sizes. This could be dangerous if they fell as well.
Seems things probably won't change however, but I still think I will post the photos. I know there is no legal issue with posting them, as long as it isn't to cause harm, of which it isn't.
If others have some good constructive ideas, let's go as a group, maybe put together a letter to Disney corporate. Maybe someone here has great writing skills, as I seem not to.
Thanks for the civil discussion..

We all can get a little fiery about something we enjoy!
I honestly don't know what could be done about it because I think it would be hard to tell difference between a spot holder and someone who had a spouse/friend/ect leave to use the bathroom. So you can't really, as a CM, accuse someone of holding spots or jumping the line.
I am all for writing a letter and voicing my concerns, but may I make a friendly suggestion? Please don't photograph strangers. I know it is perfectly legal but you could upset the wrong person. You don't know what people are capable of. I'd probably cause a big scene and possibly break someone's camera (dumb, I know). And I am a nice person!! Some people may get crazy and violent and it's not worth getting yourself hurt over!!

 

[beachdreamr1229]

I get frustrated too but in some situations I think it is understandable. For example my son is 3 He occasionally needs the bathroom urgently. So one of us holds the place while the other goes with him. I also have bladder issues and don't want to pee myself in line.