Saving children from chess players

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I found this article on the free range kids page, do people actually believe this is going to stop child abuse? From the look of it this labels any adult without a child a molester.

http://www.dnainfo.com/20101117/was...-nypd-for-using-inwood-hill-park-chess-tablesINWOOD — A group of seven mild-mannered chess players are due in criminal court next month after police officers from the 34th Precinct issued them summonses for playing their favorite board game in Inwood Hill Park.

The men were ticketed on Oct. 20 for being inside of Emerson Playground, a children's play area off limits to adults unaccompanied by minors. But the men were in an area furnished with stone chess and backgammon tables — separated from the play area by a fence.

"There is a problem in this area with drug dealing, but the police have time to write tickets to people playing chess?" asked Yacahudah Harrison, 48, one of the men who received a summons for "Fail[ing] to comply with signs."

The men said the police pulled right up to the corner of 207th Street and Seaman Avenue, and came directly to their table. Now they're due in criminal court on Dec. 28.

Captain Jose Navarro, of the 34th Precinct, told DNAinfo he had reviewed the ticket and stood by his officers' actions.

"Under my direction, uniformed officers routinely enter the parks to enforce closing times and other regulations; all designed to protect the community," he wrote in an e-mail.

"The NYPD allows for officers to issue summonses in lieu of effecting an arrest for appropriate offenses."

But Inwood residents expressed outrage that the NYPD would target the chess players in light of the men's history as caretakers and teachers for the next generation of Inwood chess players.

"This is a positive thing for our kids to see and do, it's a positive mental activity for them," said Regina Christoforatos, 38, whose 6-year-old daughter Zoe has been learning chess in the park.

Joanna Johnston, whose 7-year-old son learned how to play chess from the men at the playground, was moved to write a letter on the matter to the 34th Precinct, the City Council, Police Commissioner Ray Kelly and Mayor Michael Bloomberg.

"Crime is on the rise in the Inwood area according to the news and in addition to what we see and hear about in the neighborhood, is chess really something that should be considered a threat to the neighborhood?" she wrote.

"Couldn't they just move the tables?" Christoforatos asked.

The Parks Department did not respond to requests for comment.

For now, the chess players continue to play near the park on a makeshift table on top of the stone wall that lines the southwestern entrance to the park.


Read more: http://www.dnainfo.com/20101117/was...g-inwood-hill-park-chess-tables#ixzz15cYTnvcg
 
I think it is ridiculous to have a public park which can only be entered by someone who has a child with them. It does send the message (which is pretty commonly sent in our society) that all childless adults are predators:sad2:

I think the rules is also counterproductive. Keeping the MANY safe adults away from place children congregate simply makes the children more vulnerable to the few unsafe adults who may try to target them:

People who regularly visit and area such as a park (like regular chess players in this article, the older ladies who meet for coffee and to watch the birds and the kids play every morning, etc) help keep things much safer. They are very often the first to pick up on something out of the ordinary and truly malicious. They are often the eyes and ears which keep unaccompanied kids on their better behaviour. They are also frequently the ones who care enough to make sure the park is kept clean, free of graffiti, etc.

I guess technically these men broke a rules--bit the bigger issue is the rule is absolutely ludicrous. I also wonder if it was clear it was a law and not simply a "rule." For example, many parks now label play structures as appropriate for ages X to Y. Kids often play on "older" or "younger" equipment--breaking the rules, but not (I don't think) the law.
 
I think it is ridiculous to have a public park which can only be entered by someone who has a child with them. It does send the message (which is pretty commonly sent in our society) that all childless adults are predators:sad2:

I think the rules is also counterproductive. Keeping the MANY safe adults away from place children congregate simply makes the children more vulnerable to the few unsafe adults who may try to target them:

People who regularly visit and area such as a park (like regular chess players in this article, the older ladies who meet for coffee and to watch the birds and the kids play every morning, etc) help keep things much safer. They are very often the first to pick up on something out of the ordinary and truly malicious. They are often the eyes and ears which keep unaccompanied kids on their better behaviour. They are also frequently the ones who care enough to make sure the park is kept clean, free of graffiti, etc.

I guess technically these men broke a rules--bit the bigger issue is the rule is absolutely ludicrous. I also wonder if it was clear it was a law and not simply a "rule." For example, many parks now label play structures as appropriate for ages X to Y. Kids often play on "older" or "younger" equipment--breaking the rules, but not (I don't think) the law.

I completely agree! Why on earth would we want to take the positive influences away from the park? If they thought there was a drug problem before, they'll be astounded at what will happen there now.
 

There are lots of public parks in NYC that are gated with signs that say that adults need to be accompanied by children in the playground areas....but usually these areas are confined the the "super structure" areas. Chess tables outside of that fence don't seem to apply. Also, if these men have been doing this every day/week for years....then this just feels like harassment. Chess has been the focus of many positive outreach programs for kids in schools/communities...much of it including older mentors. This just sounds like a "pick up" version of this idea....

I vote "fail" for the cops in this case! If they are really concerned, they should spend more time figuring out how to change the fences or signage.
 
What are the extremes to this childless adults not being allowed in parks? No childless adults in g rated movies? banning childless adults from disney?
 
Elaberate, this says that no one without a child is allowed in that area, what else does it assume that all the chess players want to molest children, how does this make life safe for children?

FYI - It looks to me like the person that you responded to is posting all sorts of various short sentences in different DIS forums (probably so they can get over the 10-post limit) and then have full-access to all the wonderful DIS-features.

NYC needs to change the signage in this park - IMO the rule is stupid and enforcing it is not far off from the land of stupid. Hey, maybe the city will now have to tear down the chess-playing tables! They're a menace, right? An attractive nuisance, right?
Sheesh, I wonder what nosy busy-body felt they just *had* to turn all these hardened criminals in to the authorities :lmao:.

agnes!
 
I'm curious as to whether or not a warning was given. I mean, a group of guys playing chess where there are chess tables seems like a really stupid thing to give a summons for. But if the police had come up to them before and said, "hey guys, I know it's a dumb rule/law, but we can't have you playing chess so close to the playground." And the guys didn't move? Okay, I can see ticketing them. But otherwise, this is taking a rule/law and making it extreme.
 
That's just terrible. :sad2:

I hate to say it but I hope one of the Chess players sues the city for a violation of their civil rights. Seriously, it is NOT a crime to be an adult man. How ridiculous.
 
I'm heading out for a walk in a local park. My dog is coming with me only to throw off suspicion.:rolleyes:
 

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