SAP+ ?

[LittleBitGoofy]

CCV is the hardest to book at 7mo, so that pretty much seals it for me...

Is that for Studios at CCV or also the 1bd/2bd being hard to book at 7mo?

I've recently become enamored with CCV and have been watching/contemplating CCV for resale add-on. Then I started thinking whether I should just increase my point stack at VGF to keep things focused for home priority there and do 7-month CCV bookings for 1bds.

Being so new to DVC I'm not sure what to expect on some of these situations when contemplating home priority vs 7-month. Thanks!

 

[Chili327]

Is that for Studios at CCV or also the 1bd/2bd being hard to book at 7mo?

I've recently become enamored with CCV and have been watching/contemplating CCV for resale add-on. Then I started thinking whether I should just increase my point stack at VGF to keep things focused for home priority there and do 7-month CCV bookings for 1bds.

Being so new to DVC I'm not sure what to expect on some of these situations when contemplating home priority vs 7-month. Thanks!

Good question... I only really look at Studios, but here is the overview.
https://www.dvcfieldguide.com/availability-tables

 

[LittleBitGoofy]

Good question... I only really look at Studios, but here is the overview.
https://www.dvcfieldguide.com/availability-tables

Ahh, very good. Thank you. I hadn't seen that info. That'll be handy.

Oooff, yeah that's very good to review. Looks like I'm gonna need home priority for 1bd in Q4 and year-round with the 2bd. Very good to know!

 

[tom1944]

I’m quite late to this thread but since @tom1944 has given so much useful info to the community I wanted to add one thing that might be helpful for Tom— when thinking about how easy it is to book a potential home resort room (e.g. BLT lake view) at 7mo, you need to consider that things may drastically change in 2042 (and potentially even earlier as the only people still holding BWV and BCV and BRV are determined to use them). Probably lots of current BLT owners trading to BRV/BWV/BCV, so while some OKW SAP will leave the system, a lot of other desirable low point legacy resorts will leave as well.

Then combine the fraction of “resale restricted” resorts, and I could see BLT and CCV becoming way more competitive at 7mo (with perhaps a lot of walking?) with their lower point charts.

Thank you.

Here are my thoughts on 2042. By 2042 the 4 main parties using our points will have been to Disney at least 15- 20 times. We will no longer have a toddler with us so staying at SSR will not be as big an issue as it is now.

When I originally looked at buying DVC, I thought it would be a winter (January 16-30) get away from NJ for me and my wife and the parks were not the focus. Disney Springs and weather were the focus.

That changed when my daughter asked if we could use the points for vacations for her and her daughter. I was all in on that idea. That changed the vacations to an August trip. My daughter also favors Disney Springs just as much as the parks.

If we are blocked out of resorts with the best park locations at 2042 3 of the 4 of us will be fine staying near DS and my toddler will be 23 and can deal with the bus.

We still might purchase BLT but would also be fine with SSR. Both have certain benefits.


And finally, by 2042 Disney might have cut down on building more resorts and expanded other types of transportation to the parks beyond buses.

 

[Chili327]

Ahh, very good. Thank you. I hadn't seen that info. That'll be handy.

Oooff, yeah that's very good to review. Looks like I'm gonna need home priority for 1bd in Q4 and year-round with the 2bd. Very good to know!

Yea, its very handy to help decide what works best for specific situations.

 

[kneely58]

This is how I feel about BLT. If BLT and CCV could swap places CCV would probably be my number one MK resort. The last trip I took with my parents where my dad was in a scooter for the first time showed me the importance of location or at the very least having transportation options besides buses. The biggest drawbacks for owning BLT are its 7 month availability is in general pretty good and the lake view rooms are pretty close in point cost compared to standard view so it kind of negates it's value. CCV on the other hand, I love the theming but the location for us personally left something to be desired. You do have the boats there but I think our preferred method of transportation is walking>monorail/skyliner>boat>bus.

May be harder to book BLT post-refurb.

 

[heelphan]

May be harder to book BLT post-refurb.

I know I’m pretty excited about Murphy beds in there! It will be a several more years before CCV gets them.

 

[intamin]

May be harder to book BLT post-refurb.

Resorts go through phases of popularity. Obviously the only way to guarantee you stay at a resort is to own there but if we had to pick one monorail resort *points to signature*.

 

[kneely58]

Resorts go through phases of popularity. Obviously the only way to guarantee you stay at a resort is to own there but if we had to pick one monorail resort *points to signature*.

You say that now, but just wait until you see the point chart!

 

[intamin]

You say that now, but just wait until you see the point chart!

Lol nah it wouldn't happen regardless. If the point charts are really that absurd, I'd just buy a few hundred SSR points and use them at the bungalow and be an honorary Polynesian owner . We currently have 660 points, we have enough to cover for an insane point chart if necessary. I'm pretty much assuming 300 pts should cover most months for 4 nights. If it's that much higher, then I'll defer to plan B as above

 

[emchen]

Very fair point, at the end of the day nothing is guaranteed but being able to book your home resort at 11 months. This is especially true as the 7 month window becomes more and more competitive as DVC resorts are being built on WDW property with no signs of stopping.

I read 11 months can be changed…so not really guaranteed.

6.78% may seem like a lot relative to other DVC resorts and relative to history. It's not that much compared to other Hawaii resorts this year. See a couple of examples for Marriott Maui and Kauai weeks below.

https://tugbbs.com/forums/threads/marriott-2024-maintenance-fees.357131/post-2996905
https://tugbbs.com/forums/threads/marriott-2024-maintenance-fees.357131/post-2996292
(both of those example are biennial weeks - so double the dollar numbers for actual annual dues - but % increase is the same)

But if a 1-year excess increase of 3%-5% causes the conclusion of what's the best SAP+ resort to switch, it probably just suggests that these potential SAP+ DVC resorts are all close calls anyway, and more a matter or personal preference, and likely to remain so for the foreseeable years. Moreover, these increases are likely to revert to the mean - just like in stock market investing, "chasing performance" may not always work.

Wise words!

Not sure why the table in that article would omit Aulani subsidized, which would be #1 on their list at any resale prices below $150.

What happened to DL!?

CCV is the hardest to book at 7mo, so that pretty much seals it for me, but you're right, BLT is actually cheaper dues, so if that where you'd rather be, id say that is your SAP+ spot. (SSR is probably still the better SAP, but not SAP+ )



Aulani Sub is only $0.24 less than BLT now. It's slowly becoming not as valuable as SAP.

…or put another way, becoming as valuable as Aul Sub! ….may I add, Hawaii in winter has a unique quality over Orlando in winter.

But i refer you back to @DanCali ’s post. There will be reversion to the mean. AUL sub will always hold outsized value relative to the vast majority of WDW Resorts.

 

[AstroBlasters]

I read 11 months can be changed…so not really guaranteed.

Wise words!

What happened to DL!?

…or put another way, becoming as valuable as Aul Sub! ….may I add, Hawaii in winter has a unique quality over Orlando in winter.

But i refer you back to @DanCali ’s post. There will be reversion to the mean. AUL sub will always hold outsized value relative to the vast majority of WDW Resorts.

Why do you think it will always hold outsized value? I feel that WDW folks push up the buyer pool and that if CCV and BLT become the new SAPs that will force the AUL subsidized sellers to let buyers have some margin of safety.

 

[PolyRob]

I read 11 months can be changed…so not really guaranteed.

This is true! The only guarantee is that the home resort booking advantage is at least one month or more.

 

[HyperspaceMountainPilot]

This is true! The only guarantee is that the home resort booking advantage is at least one month or more.

With only a 1m difference, some people probably have enough SAP to “walk” the difference. I forget what the maximum consecutive stay you can book is.

 

[HyperspaceMountainPilot]

Aulani Grand Villa is ~157points per night when we go… so definitely still expensive!

So glad I saw this before arriving at the resort. Now I know not to tour it (cue Admiral Akbar here)!

I already dream about acquiring enough points to spend a few nights in the Poly bungalows, but so hard to justify at $1000/night of dues…but compared to the Grand Villa it’s practically a steal.

 

[intamin]

I read 11 months can be changed…so not really guaranteed.

Wise words!

What happened to DL!?

…or put another way, becoming as valuable as Aul Sub! ….may I add, Hawaii in winter has a unique quality over Orlando in winter.

But i refer you back to @DanCali ’s post. There will be reversion to the mean. AUL sub will always hold outsized value relative to the vast majority of WDW Resorts.

Lol I knew someone was going to say that and I’ve read it in the POS, just didn’t care to specify that in this context should’ve said home booking priority but oh well

 

[Sandisw]

With only a 1m difference, some people probably have enough SAP to “walk” the difference. I forget what the maximum consecutive stay you can book is.

You can hold 30 days in one reservation....and, while home resort owners only have to be given one month advantage, I don't see any reason DVD will reduce it.

What I can see happening, especially as more restricted resorts come on line, is give some resorts a longer home resort period, which in turn, reducing their ability to trade into the other resorts.

They can, for example. give VGF a different home resort period than AUL....and it is one of the changes I could see happening in the last few years of the 2042 resorts. Owners will get a 6 or 7 month advantage to use up their points before they are open to other owners.

 

[AstroBlasters]

So glad I saw this before arriving at the resort. Now I know not to tour it (cue Admiral Akbar here)!

I already dream about acquiring enough points to spend a few nights in the Poly bungalows, but so hard to justify at $1000/night of dues…but compared to the Grand Villa it’s practically a steal.

Cash prices are $3k/night…. $1k for 3 bedrooms and bathrooms, Ocean front (not just view), full kitchen and living room, one long amazing balcony…. A place kids will come back to with significant others and possibly their own families in the future….a place we can go as a family even if our bodies won’t let us theme park anymore… The Aulani GV is why we’re DVC!

 

[HyperspaceMountainPilot]

You can hold 30 days in one reservation....and, while home resort owners only have to be given one month advantage, I don't see any reason DVD will reduce it.

What I can see happening, especially as more restricted resorts come on line, is give some resorts a longer home resort period, which in turn, reducing their ability to trade into the other resorts.

They can, for example. give VGF a different home resort period than AUL....and it is one of the changes I could see happening in the last few years of the 2042 resorts. Owners will get a 6 or 7 month advantage to use up their points before they are open to other owners.

This would be ideal for me personally, and I think it’s general it would make DVC more attractive for people who plan vacations 3-6m in advance (depending on home resort advantage period) instead of 8-12m in advance.

 

[Chili327]

Hawaii in winter has a unique quality over Orlando in winter.

Weather? (I've never been to Orlando, but I assume it is pretty nice in winter, but maybe not as nice as Hawaii. lol)

There will be reversion to the mean. AUL sub will always hold outsized value relative to the vast majority of WDW Resorts.

What is this?