Saddam Hussein's sons captured?

[Pat_Elliott]

Originally posted by AirForceRocks
I'm sorry I must have missed it - is there a rule somewhere that says everyone on the CB has to agree about everything?

Fair question. Perhaps it's me that doesn't get the community board. But I felt it a place of information sharing and support, as versus the debate board, which is for disagreeing in a set format. And I've taken my concerns to a couple of moderators who told me this is a good place to hang if your at the place in life that I am.

I began finding the debate board distasteful some time ago and found this place refreshing. I enjoy a good debate and find it a useful and mind-expanding tool. However, due to life events, that's not where I am right now. And quite frankly, there are about six or seven people over there that do most of the talking and only two or three that say anything (take a compliment where you can get it, you're one of those two or three).

I also find many a comment bashing and ridiculing the CB and it's "Pixie dust and gag, Hugs." So I quit amusing myself by reading DB posts. I hang out here in my spare time, where folks talk to each other, help each other, and cheer each other up.

Question, and I mean this sincerely: Is there a rule on the DB that being nice and non-confrontational and using terms like prayers, pixie dust, and hugs are not allowed? If so, I must have missed it. I thought I was taking my mood to the board it suited, and leaving behind what I see as contentious and confrontational, often personal exchanges, no matter how intelligent and quick-witted they may be.

Maybe I don't get it, and if so I digress. But your exchange with Silky looks like debate board material. There's no rule that people on the trip planning board have to agree on everything. But I bet the exchange you two just had would be quickly moved from there. And I'm a little sensitive about the subject because I've read some bashing on the DB of what I see as exchanges of kindness over here. I perceive this exchange to be debate board material. Likewise, I'd expect to get a monumental load dumped on me if I went to the debate board in search of support for mine and my wife's situation.

I'm not a moderator. That's my opinion alone. Anyone else?

 

[wdwoldtimer]

Originally posted by Pat_Elliott
As for Uday and Quasi, regardless of how they made it to the Pearly Gates, they're due some judgement. Bet they don't make it inside.

Pat, I think I heard a loud clank earlier as the gates were slammed in their faces.

The last thing we wanted would be for them to be killed. This was no assassination or execution. If they are dead, they killed themselves when they fired upon the 101st Airborne.

 

[AirForceRocks]

Originally posted by Blondie
I thought it was a big no-no to mention a banned DISer?

I know I've had my posts deleted in the past when I've brought up a banned DISer......

Really? Because this particular banned DISer's name appeared in a number of signatures and CTs for quite some time, so I figured it was OK...

 

[DonnaS]

Pat-- I think it's too soon for this CBer to agree with you on this one.

Blondie-- I've seen that name in people's signatures and CT's. I guess that one is okay. It means "love" after all.

 

[Steve H.]

I didn't see a debate thread -- I see an informational thread that quickly got hijacked for a personal agenda. To me, there's a difference.

 

[Mermaid02]

I hope we got them. I don't care why or how.... I just hope we got them!

 

[Goofyposter]

AP- Witnesses to the raid said that U.S. troops encountered hostile fire when they arrived to search the home.

These characters were not "ASSASINATED ".



But.....speaking of character assasinations.....HI slinky

 

[bsnyder]

I hope we got them too.

But I can't help thinking how the media reacts in situations like this....could be just another false alarm.

 

[AirForceRocks]

Originally posted by Mermaid02
I hope we got them. I don't care why or how.... I just hope we got them!

I agree 100%.

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

As DH responded to my news, plain and simple:

It couldn't happen to a nicer family.

 

[Bob O]

I hope his sons are dead and im all in favor of their summary exexcution with no chance to surrender!!!!!
I perfer the way the Israelies handle these type of situations when they deal with terrorists such as this, bring in the helicopters/jets and just let the missiles fly and elminate anything in or near thew target!!!!

 

[Silky]

Originally posted by Bob O

I perfer the way the Israelis handle these type of situations when they deal with terrorists such as this, bring in the helicopters/jets and just let the missiles fly and elminate anything in or near the target!!!!

Bob, in the Allied bombings of Hamburg in July 1943, we killed over 42,000 in 4 days. The body counts later released included:
13,000 men, 21,000 women and over 8,000 children. I disagree with you. It's never defensible to knowingly take civilian lives as a "legitimate military objective".

Back to the situation in Iraq. If our troops were fired upon first, then I'm glad that they leveled the house and killed all of its occupants. However, as an OCCUPYING force, we're now in a different position than we were when we were an INVADING force. During the OCCUPATION of post-war Germany, we assiduously hunted down Nazi leaders.......... not to kill them.....but to bring them to trial. I hope that we can accomplish the same in Iraq.

 

[Saffron]

I hope they're gone. I had hoped they would be gone before the war. Maybe, just maybe there wouldn't have been a war and that would have saved the lives of some of the American, Iraqi, English and other soldiers that fought and died there over the last 4 months. I wish the US had executed them with the bullet from an expert marksman gun before the war started. I had hoped they would have been taken out while they were at home, eating dinner, laughing, having a good life, with one bullet to the temple, from a distance, plain and simple. They are/were dispicable, vile, horrible human beings who took the lives and life out of thousands and thousands of people who live in and around Iraq, simply for living. God forgive me for those ugly thoughts - and I only need God's forgiveness, no one elses.

 

[JAP]

I would be one to be glad to see the Hussein brothers and their father captured and brough to trial/justice. If they happen to die in the process then so be it.

 

[Pat_Elliott]

Originally posted by Pat_Elliott
I respect Silky and AFR's rights to debate. It's what all those brave boys are fighting about. That said....

I think I can speak for the majority of the CB when I say "take it to the debate board." Or else I'm going to go over there and start handing out pixie dust and hugs until everyone pukes.

As for Uday and Quasi, regardless of how they made it to the Pearly Gates, they're due some judgement. Bet they don't make it inside.

Quoting myself, always fun....

I'm having a fairly civil debate in private about the above statment. In retrospect, I stand by my belief (and perhaps my desire) that the CB is and should be a place without one on one bickering. Due to current events, I guess I'm in a "love one another" mode. I don't think there's anything wrong that, nor seeking and protecting a place for that to occur.

However, I believe it an error to say "I think I can speak for the majority of the debate board" when I obviously don't. I abhore those that attempt to speak for others, believe their opinion to be any more than it is, and especially those that attmept to hijack a thread. I wish to always make clear I know my opinions are my own. I'm guilty of preaching from the machine gun nest. My apologies to Silky, Bren, and the CB et al. It won't happen again.

The original statment was mine alone. Based on my interpretation of the CB, I stand by it.

 

[Bob O]

In war ALL is fair game and civilians are ALWAYS a target in the hopes of softening up your enmeny or trying to compel them to stop. This doesnt work in most cases but in war civilians will always be targets and it is a fact of war and cant be avoided nor should it be. I would much perfer the death of civilans of our enemies than the death of our military personnel.
At the time of hiroshima my father was training for the invasion of Japan, so im very happy it worked and saved hundreds of thousands of american military personnel as well as millions of civilians who would have died in a full fledged invasion!!!
In the current situation if we have reason to believe terrorists are in the house we should attack first and then capture whatever may be left. If civilains put themselves in harms way by being near saddam or his ******* kids, then they put themsleves in harms way and will suffer for their poor judgement.
Silky you may want to bring these iraqi thugs to trial, i would perfer to kill ASAP!!!!

 

[AirForceRocks]

In war ALL is fair game and civilians are ALWAYS a target in the hopes of softening up your enmeny or trying to compel them to stop.

No, they aren't. Both international law and LOAC rules under which the U.S. military operates specifically prohibit the intentional targeting of civilians during war for the sole purpose of "softening up" the populace. Obviously civilians do die in war - that can't be avoided, but they are not be intentionally targeted, and to do so is to invite a war crimes investigation.

 

[scarlett873]

so far, i've only seen reports that they either have been captured or may be dead...the last one i read said that they were awaiting DNA confirmations...anyone hear anything else?

 

[Bob O]

AFB, The miltary may say they dont target civilians but that is just BS!!! Propaganda to make us seem better than our enemy but the reality is that we do target civilian populations, though i dont think we intentionally did so in iraq which may have been wrong in retrospect.
Our are your trying to tell me that the fire bombings of Dresdan/Toyko both of which killed more people than either nuclear attack was soley done to hit military installations and all the civilian deaths were a oops???
And the winners of wars dont investiage themselve for war crimes do they???

 

[CRB#33]

Originally posted by Silky
Bob, in the Allied bombings of Hamburg in July 1943, we killed over 42,000 in 4 days. The body counts later released included:
13,000 men, 21,000 women and over 8,000 children. I disagree with you. It's never defensible to knowingly take civilian lives as a "legitimate military objective".

Back to the situation in Iraq. If our troops were fired upon first, then I'm glad that they leveled the house and killed all of its occupants. However, as an OCCUPYING force, we're now in a different position than we were when we were an INVADING force. During the OCCUPATION of post-war Germany, we assiduously hunted down Nazi leaders.......... not to kill them.....but to bring them to trial. I hope that we can accomplish the same in Iraq.

ACK!!!!


edited to say, Never mind