Saddam Hussein -- U.S break Geneva Convention again

[macs4us]

Originally posted by CarolAnnK
I have not heard of any Iraquis who are upset that Saddam has been shown on television. I only see one person here from Northern Ireland objecting. In fact, Iraquis are celebrating in the streets!!

Sorry if I was not being clear. Many people from other Middle Eastern countries have commented that while they are happy that Saddam is gone, they are concerned that the United States is there for the wrong reasons, and is disrespectful to their culture. They see how we behave, and worry, are we going after their country next.

Oh, and the last report I saw, most Iraqis don't know about Saddam's capture, as they don't have access to information as readily as we do - you are seeing what our media wants you to see. I know this first hand, as I was in the then USSR when Bush Sr went in last time - very interesting seeing what different media spins there are...

The kids working at the mall don't know we caught Saddam, either But they sure like my taste in music.

- edited to correct typos, add mall comment -

 

[Mike Jones]

..I've come a little late to this one, but, whilst agreeing that SH is undoubtedly an evil tyrant with the blood of thousands on his hands, I am also unsurprised that the US, as the world's only remaining superpower (and not forgetting that unlike all the other past regimes is a democracy) has chosen to tactically ignore the relevant international laws in order to further it's case. Is it not possible to applaud the act and intentions whilst actually agreeing that the conventions have been breached?

Mike

 

[S. C.]

bump

 

[jjcollins]

First of all i'm glad the post hasn't been locked ( thanks ) because from all the post we can agreed that Saddam was a bad man.

Thanks Sandra M - macs4us - ThreeCircles and Mike.

But a few points i'd like to address -- doxdogy i'd don't think your link is to the Geneva Convention ( so theres no point adding more to that ).

The reason i fly the flag on my posts is because i was in the States during 9/11 and because i hate all Terrorism.


jvas - i've had 30 yrs of WAR that any good to you!!!!!!


Patriot Act interesting one -- thats that act that keeps tourists out and lets terrorists in lol -- let me tell you something 30 yrs of terrorists over here and they'll get into your country in a flash -- i would say they've had sleeper cells in the States for years.


Last but not least The Geneva Convention i don't how many times i've got to post this but here go's again

A. Prisoners of war, in the sense of the present Convention, are persons belonging to one of the following categories, who have fallen into the power of the enemy:

1. Members of the armed forces of a Party to the conflict as well as members of militias or volunteer corps forming part of such armed forces.

2. Members of other militias and members of other volunteer corps, including those of organized resistance movements, belonging to a Party to the conflict and operating in or outside their own territory, even if this territory is occupied, provided that such militias or volunteer corps, including such organized resistance movements, fulfil the following conditions:

(a) That of being commanded by a person responsible for his subordinates;

(b) That of having a fixed distinctive sign recognizable at a distance;

(c) That of carrying arms openly;

(d) That of conducting their operations in accordance with the laws and customs of war.

maybe that will help lol


ps -- I see now that some American politicians want Saddam Executed - I wonder why - maybe to stop him talking hmmmm


Ohhh and who is going to try him ????? will it be fair ????



jj.........

 

[Mamu]

Isn't it funny while all the murder and torture was going on no one was conplaining about breaking international laws.

Because he killed his own, the rest of the world closed their eyes, unless you were an Iraqi.

As an American I am proud of my country, proud of my President, and proud of the service men and women who put their lives on the line every day to right the wrongs and evils in the world.

While the world watched this dictator pilfered his country of it's people's wealth and murdered anyone who opposed. Yet if there was money to be made they had their hands out. This to me is one of the biggest crimes, that people or countries profit from the evils of Saddam and shut their eyes too what was going on.

I understand the worlds concerns about this matter, yet they are the first to seek out information, photos, new reports whether they are the truth or not and the first to point out how we break international laws.

Wouldn't it be wonderful if we lived in a perfect world, where all humanity cared about the lives and rights of others and did something about it. Not sat back and watched, then complained because something in their eyes looks wrong.

 

[jjcollins]

Mamu what you seemed to forget along with many of your country men is -- the USA for years backed this man -- i mean have you all had a time lapse. This man with the help of the U.S + UK killed thousands of iranian soldiers during the long war with Iran. At that time your country and mine were happy to help him.


How times have changed

Long term memory loss i guess

jj.......

 

[Mamu]

No memory loss. As I said wouldn't it be wonderful if we lived in a perfect world.

Sadly we do not. Isn't it better to finally see the evil for what it is and try to correct our wrongs.

 

[jjcollins]

I agree with that Mamu


jj.........

 

[macs4us]

The provisional government in Iraq would be responsible, and they are already trying to cut a deal with Saddam re: Weapons of Mass Destruction.

My husband and I were at breakfast this morning, and I had a window at my back. I said to him, can you imagine living your life in a place where a car can pull up and blow us all to pieces? Yes, I know that is still possible here, but, even with 9/11, we can not even begin to understand what it has been like for people in Europe and the Middle East all of these years. That said, I would rather take those risks than live in a place without freedom and privacy. Let's hope that fear does not completely overtake the US, and we give up the reasons our forefathers came here in the first place.

To comment about the US and Saddam's previous "relationship," I have to say I find it funny that many people either ignore or have no idea of it's existence. I liken it to saying, "Gee, we gave you poison gas and you actually used it to kill people - what were you thinking???" I think more people should watch the brief sequence in "Bowling for Columbine" that gives a short synopsis of all the tyrants we have built up, used, lost control of, and then had to take down. Only to send our young men and women to clean up the politicians' messes...

 

[Serena]

jj, you are making a lot of general assumptions about us, and not only is it wrong, but it is irritating as well.
I am sure that the president has people he trusts to let him know if that video is a violation or not. My personal feelings aside, President Bush has lawyers, friends, family, trusted advisors, and the laws you like copying and pasting to help him decide what is best to do.
Now, he could of course ignore everyone, but there would be no point at this moment.
That video is not humiliating in the least.

 

[jjcollins]

I doesn't matter lawyers, friends, family, trusted advisors G/B has or T/B this is a clear breech of international law - Now i can understand why they did it -- losing badly in IRAQ -- Elections coming -- Americans starting to wonder how long they're going to be there.


Weapons of Mass Destruction -- Had to laugh at this -- does anyone really think there are any ????


jj........

 

[Serena]

Originally posted by jjcollins
I doesn't matter lawyers, friends, family, trusted advisors G/B has or T/B this is a clear breech of international law - Now i can understand why they did it -- losing badly in IRAQ -- Elections coming -- Americans starting to wonder how long they're going to be there.

jj........

I respectfully disagree.

 

[poohandwendy]

No, I do not believe Saddam Husseins human rights have been violated. I think he has been treated with much more respect than he deserves.

 

[antnee]

Trus me I am sure the US won't publicize his tortures

 

[JDY]

This should help...

Saddam to have POW protections

 

[6_Time_Momma]

Oh, well. I still strongly disagree that the Geneva convention is being violated so I'll just accept jj feeling the need to call me arrogant!

Still damn proud, thankful, and thrilled to be living in the
arrogant US of A.

 

[Miss Jasmine]

First, I find it highly ironic that someone from another country living in that part of the country filled with strife, feels the need to comment on what the USA is doing. Take care of your own back yard. Religion is just the facade that both parties are hiding behind, work from there. But yes you can say what you want, we just don't have to agree with you.

I, personally, was happy to see the images of Saddam. There is no way the Iraqi people would truly believe he had been captured without pictorial proof. Believe me the US will make sure that the Iraqi citizens see this proof.

It is amazing the support a brutal dictator is receiving on this thread. Also amazing is Three Circles and Travis (okay maybe not so amazing), maybe you two can incorporate dress codes, too.

 

[Mskanga]

Just to give you all an idea this is where I come from , and this is what my family had to endure, some of them losing their lives;



Francisco Franco Bahamonde
AKA 'El Caudillo' (The Leader).
Country: Spain.
Kill tally: Tens to hundreds of thousands. One source says 500,000 killed in the Spanish Civil War, another claims two million executed alone. More sober estimates for executions put the figure at 35,000 killed either summarily or after a hasty court martial.
Now commander-in-chief of the armed forces, head of state, and leader of the government, Franco quickly acts to impose order, suppressing all those who present a potential threat to the new regime. A state of martial law remains in effect until 1948. Hundreds of thousands of republicans are imprisoned and thousands are summarily executed.
Criticism is regarded as treason, political parties are outlawed, universal suffrage is eliminated, and the Catholic Church is restored as the official religion of Spain. The National Movement is made the country's only legal political organisation and the parliament is turned into the executive's puppet. Civil marriage is banned, divorce and abortion are made illegal, and religious education becomes compulsory in schools. Most of reformist legislation introduced by the republicans is revoked. Strikes are banned, the media is muzzled, and the moves towards granting autonomy to Catalonia and the Basque provinces are reversed.
Franco is declared 'generalisimo', (commander-in-chief), and 'jefe de estado' (head of state) of the nationalist regime on 29 September. He appeals to Adolf Hitler and Benito Mussolini for help in the war effort. Both fascist leaders provide personnel, aircraft, tanks and artillery.

I wish the Geneva Convention had been in place back then , and I wish that they would have been able to show on tv what was really going on , instead of hiding things from people. If you ask me, I don't see any kind of abuse , truthfully I wouldn't even give him any kind of medical attention and let him die just like he killed millions of people. Ask the people in Iraq , they can tell you better than anyone else if what Americans are doing to him is right or wrong, nobody else walked in their shoes for many years!

 

[jjcollins]

Miss Jasmine -- thanks for your interest in Northern ireland -- Don't want to be side tracked here --its a bit rich from you -- Your not even wanted in IRAQ lol



Thats awful good of Mr Rumsfeld -- after all he does know Mr Hussein pretty well -- Did you all know Mr Regan sent him to IRAQ to help Mr Hussein and see what gifts the U.S could send him during the long war with Iran.



By the way Miss Jasmine the brutal dictator is not getting any support from me or others on this thread -- all we're asking is that International Law be observed.

Not to much to ask is it from the land of FREE



jj.........

 

[Mike Jones]

Miss Jasmine -

It is amazing the support a brutal dictator is receiving on this thread.

...I can't see much support for Saddam in this thread...the voices disagreeing with the (apparent) majority are disturbed by the way it seems international laws can be tactically ignored when it suits the administrations' purposes (whether that is a short term desire, probably laudable, to turn the tide of events in Iraq, or with a view to re-election).... jjcollins appears to be quite satisfied that Saddam is a vicious despot who is better behind bars, but I read it that he wants people to be objective about the bigger picture. UK and US did support Saddam's regime some years ago..I don't believe for a minute that they both thought his country was a benign democracy at that time.

Personally I am glad he has been caught and I didn't think for a minute that the captors would fail to show him to the world at the first opportunity... but it appears that this event is a probable breach of international conventions regardless. I am quite easy in my mind that my (and your) government occasionally (frequently?) undertake to interpret or ignore such regulations in times of perceived need..but it does not make it right in law. I just don't think we should all pretend our leaders are angels .

Mike

Oh..by the way..Merry Christmas everyone!