Sad Story from One Who Trusted without Checking!

I have been following this thread from the beginning and I just wanted to say how sorry i am for Stacey, Dani and InstImpres. I truly hope that everything works out in the end.

I also have a reservation I rented from another member for an upcoming trip, reading this thread has made me very nervous about my own reservation. Fortunately, I was able to check on the reservation and everything is ok. I guess we have to remember that most renters are honest people and we shouldn't allow these few bad apples to ruin it for everyone.
 
Anjelica said:
As I am in no way or shape blaming the DIS boards for anything that has taken place. I am not in the loop on what takes place behind the boards in terms of how things are taken care of (nor should I be) but was merely expressing my hope/desire that folks like this person who has severly damaged two peoples vacations wouldn't be allowed to do it again on these boards to anyone one else.
If you are referring to this person specifically, I think that has already been accomplished.

In the broader picture, I think you have to realize that there are probably thousands of DIS R/T transactions each year, and until this week, I'd only heard one or two stories where someone actually lost money. We occasionally hear of problems, but those are usually just misunderstandings which get worked out and everybody goes away happy. I can still count the bad rentals on one hand...although I am running out of fingers.

IMHO this person has certainly damaged the "credibility" of those on the R/T boards who are either renting or seeking to rent (when we all know most of those people are good honest folks). I guarantee you folks are thinking twice about renting from folks on the R/T board and I think thats just not right.
You are absolutely right -- this situation HAS definitely damaged the credibility of people on both sides of the transactions on the R/T board. We've already seen posts from both DVC owners trying to rent points, and from potential renters, expressing legitimate reservations about renting. The answers to that are a) there is a very low level of problem rentals, and b) WE have to protect ourselves by doing a sensible amount of research and using a sensible amount of caution.

Again - I'm not going to play like I know how things work in the background, etc. but I guess it would be nice to know for the many users of these boards that when dishonest folks take advantage of others that the situation is addressed so that it doesn't happen to others again.
Again, you are exactly right. That piece is a work in progress. Despite all of our wishes for an immediate resolution, these things sometimes take time. It's too early to tell how this will turn out, because that's really up to the other party.
There is just no telling or real legitimate way for us to know who are the good ones and who are the bad ones (unlike ebay you can get a better feeling via their comments, etc.). I truly have no idea who this person is and due to that I very well may never rent from the R/T board unless I know the person has been on these boards for years and I have "interacted" with them.
I would agree that it is difficult to develop trust in a renting transactions, but there have also been some horror stories with eBay as well, both with transactions and with their feedback system. No system is perfect. I believe I've seen posted that the DIS did investigate setting up a feedback system and decided it was not a good idea.

If someone doesn't like a non-feedback system, or doesn't feel comfortable doing the background research necessary to do a DVC rental here, they always have the options of eBay and several other sites. They'll probably pay a few dollars more for their DVC accommodations, but that may not be a bad tradeoff for some folks. And, of course, there is always Disney CRO.
 
JimMIA said:
Doc has really done everything we could expect, and a lot more.

I don't think it is realistic to expect the DIS to ban someone because there was a dispute with a rental. Nor is it possible for the DIS to become an investigative body or arbitration board.


Jim, this is the first statement you've made that I've read that I disagree with.

Even though we can't expect the Disboard police we all should expect that if someone is scamming honest Disboard members then there posting privledges should be revoked. I'm sure this could be done quite easily using an IP adress of the offender.

What is next, cursing at each other? How about name calling? Violations of posting guidelines should lead to being banned. It keeps this a nice forum for everyone. Now, is there a bigger violation than ripping someone off? :confused3

I do agree more time may be necessary here, but to allow the said offender to continue posting and renting is just wrong IMO. She could have made it right by now and has not to our knowledge.
 
If this thread isn't proof that the good people in the world more than balance out the bad ones, I don't know what is.

I've been so impressed with the kindness and generosity of the folks on these boards, the professionalism of the moderators, and the decent, honorable way that Dani and Stacey have handled this situation.

I would have happily donated to 'replacement' vacation funds for Dani and Stacey, but I completely understand why they wouldn't accept a donation. So, instead, I'm going to take that money and give it back to this community of wonderful folks by becoming a DISboards sponsor. I hope some of you will join me. :wave2:
 

I just read this whole thread beginning to end;this whole affair is sickening! I myself have rented out some points twice and I am in no way an expert-but it makes me leary to think of doing this a 3rd time as in what happened to Imtipres. This is all so sad-I hope this gets resolved for everyone involved and I wish you both the best of luck-and magical disney vacations! Angel
 
dumbo71 said:
Jim, this is the first statement you've made that I've read that I disagree with.
Heck dumbo71, you're doing a lot better than I am! I've said a half-dozen things today alone that I disagree with! ;)
Even though we can't expect the Disboard police we all should expect that if someone is scamming honest Disboard members then there posting privledges should be revoked. I'm sure this could be done quite easily using an IP adress of the offender.
You're not saying anything different than what I'm saying. But there is a difference between a dispute and a scam. There is also a huge difference between an allegation and proof. And that, I think, is the crux of the DIS problem with becoming the rental police. They are dependent on volunteer mods, who don't have the time to investigate complaints and make judgements about who is right and who is wrong in a dispute or allegation.

What is next, cursing at each other? How about name calling? Violations of posting guidelines should lead to being banned. It keeps this a nice forum for everyone. Now, is there a bigger violation than ripping someone off? :confused3
Surely ripping someone off is worse, but regardless of the offense, I think you would want to be very sure before you ban someone. When people flagrantly violate posting guidelines -- despite being repeatedly warned -- there isn't much doubt about what they've done. Fraud cases are much more complex than that, and it's much more difficult to assess.

I do agree more time may be necessary here, but to allow the said offender to continue posting and renting is just wrong IMO. She could have made it right by now and has not to our knowledge.
I honestly don't know whether the offending party has been banned or not. I actually think there is benefit in her being able to read this thread, and post to it if she chooses.

I do care if she rents, but I do not believe that is occurring. I'm often wrong, and I'm open to being corrected on this, but I don't think she's renting.
 
I just found that other thread very interesting reading...she is nuts! I hope this works out for everyone involved.
 
I think before anyone critizes the DIS board R/T staff one needs to remember they get nothing out of offering the service and probably a great deal of headaches.

Also as in other situation when people are quick to critize Disney, there is always two sides and other than Dani, Stacey and possibly Jim, no one knows for sure what the DIS team has done to assist in this situation or prevent future ones. You have to take that on trust.

If you don't have trust in the team on the forum you have the option to not use them.
 
Sammie said:
no one knows for sure what the DIS team has done to assist in this situation or prevent future ones. You have to take that on trust.
1. That's absolutely true, and

2. They're also not going to advertise what they've done. That would not be helpful.

So, as Sammie rightly said...you have to take that on trust. I can tell you that your trust is well-placed and there are NO worries about the DIS response. None.
 
I have been up with both this thread and the other one from the beginning. I am both heartened and sickened by the behaviors that have been exhibited. Fortunately, there are far more of us who are honest and supportive of those who have been wronged, and just the few who are tarnishing things here and truly creating havoc for the victims.

Watching Tom and Jim and Doc (while on vacation, to boot!) go above and beyond has been amazing. I only have one question here...and this is just out of curiosity...no judgement intended...

Jim--what is your role in this? While you have clearly been helpful in the situation, I am not sure under what capacity you are operating? Are you a lawyer or in law enforcement? Or just a great and helpful guy? (Well, we already know that you are that! :goodvibes )

Certainly, if this is an inappropriate question, just say so and I apologize in advance. I am just one of the many who is hopeful for a positive and SPEEDY resolution to these matters.
 
Dani & Stacey..........I've been on these boards for 6 years now and yet I am only just coming up on 300 posts. I read a lot and only really post when I have something, that I feel is helpful, to post. I am new to the DVC forums as I only bought into DVC last year. However, over my time on the DIS, this rates up as one of the worst things I have read about. My heart hurts for both of you and I pray that this ends on a positive note for everyone involved. However, I am a Port Authority of NY & NJ Police Officer and although I would not be able to help you directly with the situation, if you need assistance with any NY agencies contact info, etc. regarding the law enforcement end, I would be more than happy to see if I could assist. Please feel free to PM me if you need any assistance.

On a lighter note, gotta go watch my METS! Best of luck...........Jim
12:00 AM........Well, there'll be no more watching my METS! Ugh! :sad2:
 
I too have followed this thread from the beginning, not commenting. But I have to say, as sad as it began and as sad as it became, there are sure some very bright spots. From the well wishes to Tom's very generous offer, Granny's 'Manly Pixie Dust' and several others generous offers and now an offer of 'official help' Jim from Jersey.

Is this a great community or what??

PS I hope this is resolved. Hugs to all 3 victims in this mess. :grouphug:
 
I am just now for the first time reading this post...last year in November I contacted a Dis user on the Rent/Trade board regarding a transfer of 172 DVC points...I paid over $1500 for the points blindly. I learned a very valuable lesson as almost a year later I am out the money.

What is strange is the user, a woman from NY originally transferred 41 of the points, then called back and stated there was a use year problem and was having difficulty transferring the rest. After a day of waiting for confirmation that she transferred the rest of the points she called to tell me her grandma died.

Long story short she ripped me off and I have filed charges but the police don't help alot. I have a strange feeling the OP is dealing with the same person re-regegistered.

As for the moderators they are clear that it is not Dis boards responsiblity to be involved which I respect but they can not really help us in any way. Would love to talk privately with the original poster if you read this!!
 
OMG...don't tell me she did it to someone else, too!!! The PP is from NY and your person was from NY....death in the family...this sounds way too familiar...
 
OMG. I have been following this thread from the beginning. I'm incredulous and sick to my stomach again.

Goofynme - did you not post on the boards after this happened? That's not a criticism. I'm just wondering if anyone picked up on your problem at the time.

Unbelievable. Even if it's not the same PP - it's a similar situation that we seem not to have heard much about before this. It's frightening really.
 
goofynme said:
I am just now for the first time reading this post...last year in November I contacted a Dis user on the Rent/Trade board regarding a transfer of 172 DVC points...I paid over $1500 for the points blindly. I learned a very valuable lesson as almost a year later I am out the money.

What is strange is the user, a woman from NY originally transferred 41 of the points, then called back and stated there was a use year problem and was having difficulty transferring the rest. After a day of waiting for confirmation that she transferred the rest of the points she called to tell me her grandma died.

Long story short she ripped me off and I have filed charges but the police don't help alot. I have a strange feeling the OP is dealing with the same person re-regegistered.

As for the moderators they are clear that it is not Dis boards responsiblity to be involved which I respect but they can not really help us in any way. Would love to talk privately with the original poster if you read this!!


UGH!!! It sure sounds like you dealt with the same person!!! :eek:
 
I have followed this thread and feel sickened what some people will do, but also heartened that there are people out there who really do care.

It's looking more and more possible that this could be large scale fraud as we do not know how many people have been scammed who have never posted on this board.

Best thing you can do is go to the police with as much info as possible. I would also try to get your story in the press as they really do have an enormous amount of power. Even though I do not think you will ever get your money back at least you can hopefully stop it happening to somebody else.

All national newspapers have news desks and you can just email your story and they will pick it up.

It's not an ideal solution and would take a huge amount of guts as it will invade your privacy, but it may help somebody else and you never know where the money he/she/they scam from people goes.

These are just my thoughts but I work in PR so know that journlists are not all the big bad people they are made out to be.

Good luck
 
dumbo71 said:
Jim, this is the first statement you've made that I've read that I disagree with.

Even though we can't expect the Disboard police we all should expect that if someone is scamming honest Disboard members then there posting privledges should be revoked. I'm sure this could be done quite easily using an IP adress of the offender.

What is next, cursing at each other? How about name calling? Violations of posting guidelines should lead to being banned. It keeps this a nice forum for everyone. Now, is there a bigger violation than ripping someone off? :confused3

I do agree more time may be necessary here, but to allow the said offender to continue posting and renting is just wrong IMO. She could have made it right by now and has not to our knowledge.

As noted by WMD (during a prior post on his Vacation no less!!! :thumbsup2 )

I too feel strongly. So far the PP has not violated DISboard guidelines, and can't be banned. Perhaps it is time to modify the guidelines to include fraud, theft, deceit, etc. as a guideline eligible for banning. I don't think that means immediate banning, or even permanent banning (especially for a first offense), but warnings and temporary bannings have proven effect as well.

Otherwise, this PP will return to easy pickings, namely the R/T board, and then perhaps others will join in on the feeding freenzy. Then this valuable service between Owners and Renters will cease to be....

Just my thoughts as an 'outsider' to this case. I'm not criticizing anyone or any action. I'm just offering my opinion from the facts so far shared with me.

Even if Icouldn't rent, or the R/T boards left, I will always be a participating member of the best Disney community (on-line or otherwise), the DISboards!

Long may they live!

-Tony
 
goofynme said:
Long story short she ripped me off and I have filed charges but the police don't help alot. I have a strange feeling the OP is dealing with the same person re-regegistered.

Geez Louise, how many people has this happened to? Is the rental board this woman's gravy train? I know DVC can't do anything about it, but they might want to know that one of their members, or someone acting on behalf of a member is involved in these kinds of activities.
 
goofynme said:
Long story short she ripped me off and I have filed charges but the police don't help alot. I have a strange feeling the OP is dealing with the same person re-regegistered.

Did you file a small claims case or anything like that?

I think the long and short of this story at the moment is don't rent from any woman in NY since we don't exactly know who this person is :confused3 How sad is this? I've been very naive through the last few years, that's all I can say... For the grace of god go I (and my money & points)...

This has really opened my eyes.....
 













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