Rush Resigns

[ThAnswr]

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Originally posted by ThAnswr
He inserted race where it shouldn't have been inserted.
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>>>>Then I assume you're equally critical of the countless sportswriters who have written articles about black quarterbacks (or lack thereof) in the NFL?<<<<<


Apples and oranges. How can you possibly compare pre-game commentary/bantering with writing an article?

I don't believe Limbaugh was hired for his social commentary, although for the life of me, what the hell was Disney thinking? But, I digress.

A pre-game show is not the place to score points via one's political/social views. It's to talk about the game, players, plays, coaches, winner, losers, etc., and leave race out of it. It would've been equally out of place if Limbaugh has decided to insert politics into the pre-game show. It is inappropriate.

There are times and places to say things and making racial comments during a pre-game football show is inappropriate. If Limbaugh has confined himself to talking about the quarterback's mistakes or bad games, that's appropriate. But, noooo, he had to take it one step further.

 

[Robinrs]

Well, the you might as well keep the sports on TV turned off, stop reading the sports pages, and cancel your subscriptions to Sports Illustrated and the like.

Basically I have.

I don't wear blinders about this world I brought my son to, but while he is young it is my job to make it as pure as I can until he is, like I was, unable to avoid it in the real world. My job is to make sure that he builds enough self esteem so the "real world" does not beat it out of him prematurely before he knows what he can and cannot be.

Naive is the LAST thing I am or will ever be. I worked at the most politically incorrect radio station in Atlanta but my child did not have to listen to it because I didn't subject him to it. I know my part of this is a small part of his life in years but it is the most important part of his knowing how to handle it.

 

[AirForceRocks]

Did you work for Neal Boortz?

 

[GAIL HAYDEN]

Originally posted by Robinrs
Good riddance.

Of course it's not offensive to someone who hasn't had to deal with this kind of rhetoric all of their lives.

What I don't understand is why no one expected Rush to be Rush in another medium. This statement is classic him, I'll never forget the first show he broadcast on our station, pure racist, but it's okay as long as the audience is HIS. His PI comments should stay with his audience and are not for everyone.

My son does not need to hear this kind of crap while watching a football game. I spend all week trying to make this world of ours colorless, but as the McNabb said, he's dealt with this all of his life, as I have, and you'd THINK it would be over with now.

I guess I can forget that pipe dream.

Robin,
For the record, I think it was an extreamly racist remark, as do most of the people I know. There are some that feel that anything Rush says is gold. I don't happen to agree.

 

[AirForceRocks]

Robin,
For the record, I think it was an extreamly racist remark, as do most of the people I know. There are some that feel that anything Rush says is gold. I don't happen to agree.

Just for the record, I've heard one complete Rush Limbaugh show in my entire life, and I didn't care for it. I've heard bits and pieces when riding in other people's cars, but since we don't get radio reception in my building, I couldn't listen to him even if I wanted to.

Having said that, why do you consider it racist Gail?

 

[Robinrs]

Originally posted by AirForceRocks
Did you work for Neal Boortz?

I worked with Neal, in fact, he was one of my best buddies in radio. He always talked about how he wanted to blow up like Rush in syndication and it looks like he's on his way. He talks a real good game, just like Sean Hannity, but both are great guys in real life.

and BTW,Thanks, Gail!

 

[Mackey Mouse]

I tend to agree here that the remark was uncalled for and I feel it was racist as well....I am not really great in political discussions but I was listening to talk radio this morning, I would say it was neck and neck with callers saying it was and was not racist.. I just think that Rush is such a buffoon at times.. and I think this is one of those times and then there are those times when I agree with him.. he just has such a high opinion of himself..like the rest of us are just plain stupid..

 

[doubletrouble_vb]

I haven't posted on this because...if the remark had been made in an article by an ordinary sports writer it might (might) have been given a pass. The comment being made by Mr. Limbaugh puts an extra spin on it because of how he chooses to make a living. The nature of the remark is that it is either "racial" or "racist" depending on the source. Context is everything and includes the source of the content as well as the entire content. Please note I haven't written a choice either way.

I will say I am curious why he resigned...one almost wonders if ESPN's agreement with him is that he wouldn't make comments like this...the idea may have been to bring in a bigger audience that would hope to hear classic Rush without giving it to them.

Let me add that I think the world would be much improved if he decided to end his career. I'm pretty sick of the scumbag school of "conservative" commentary. Bring back the gentleman scholar (in the style of whatsisname...God and Man at Yale...I don't know why I'm drawing a blank there...old age).


Edited to add...William F. Buckley

 

[bsnyder]

Originally posted by GAIL HAYDEN
There are some that feel that anything Rush says is gold. I don't happen to agree.

I also don't feel that anything Rush says is gold. And I definitely think his style is abrasive, which is why I don't listen to him.

But I still don't get this. If the remark had been made by someone else, as doubletrouble suggests, would it have caused the same outcry?

Is it racist to pull for an individual to succeed based on their race?

 

[Galahad]

Bring back the gentleman scholar (in the style of whatsisname...God and Man at Yale

Definitely agree with this. We need more Buckley's and George Will's and few Sean Hannity's, IMO.......

 

[doubletrouble_vb]

Originally posted by bsnyder
But I still don't get this. If the remark had been made by someone else, as doubletrouble suggests, would it have caused the same outcry?

Is it racist to pull for an individual to succeed based on their race?

Racism is based upon motive. If you are pulling for a person because their opponents/peers are not of the same race...yes it may be. If you are pulling for a person because they are like you, no I don't think it is. For example I always cheer for the oldest person playing a sport...with a few exceptions here and there. I don't think that makes me agist...I just like to root for the underdog...altho' I'll root for the ancient one even if they aren't the underdog...hmmm.

Back to a more specific application of your question. If the news media is pulling for McNabb because he is black (in other words IF Rush is right) then you have to look at their motive for doing so. Is it so they can prove the NFL is happy world where everyone is equal and has an equal opportunity to succeed (provided they are physically gifted) I don't think they would be racist because of it. Improperly biased yes because this is news and they are supposed to unbiased (ha ha ha).

And as for Rush...it does almost look like the Jimmy the Greek quote. I believe JtG wasn't simply expounding on genetics...if I recall this correctly he was ruminating on the breeding programs of southern plantations. At the time I thought it was curious because it seemed the interest was as much in stomping on the notion that genteel slave holders may have bred their slaves like horses as it was with saying he was ignorant and racist.

I guess my opinion comes down to...if RL is wrong then the remark is racist. It is of course impossible to prove one way or another (a good argument for not making the remark in the first place).

It bothers me that Mr. McNabb will now be forced to prove himself for reasons that other quarterbacks won't be subject to.

 

[momof2inPA]

I don't think his resignation had anything to do with his racial/ racist remarks, it's the drug investigation. Wow! Who'd have thought?

 

[CRB#33]

The media is highlighting Donavan McNabb because he's being paid ridiculous amounts of money and performing dismally (except for this past Sunday).

He is not the first black quarterback, nor the only one out there right now.

Warren Moon played for years and the media didn't overtly talk about him.

Because of these factors, I can only come to the conclusion that not only were Rush's comments racial, they were racist.

Oh and I love his "I struck a nerve, so it must be true" comment.

That's like someone saying, "Hey the holocaust didn't happen," and then saying the statement must be true because it struck a nerve. (of quite a few people I might add.)

They've hired Rush and Dennis Miller to be football commentators. Let this be a lesson to those fools who hired these guys.

Honestly.

I for one, think Donovan handled this with a lot of class too.

 

[emmagata]

Originally posted by Teejay32
Are they "sports journalists" though? Or are they just ordinary journalists trying to find a big story in a sports figure or team, I wonder.

I think Galahad said it best in the other thread, paraphrased, that Rush can't help but inject politics into everything he does, and while what he said might not have been "racist" he was definitely bringing race issues into the thing when it's not usually seen....and that's controversy enough.

Well it isn't just Rush that brings in race issues, many others have done the same thing (and worse). The key here is that
"they" would like northing better to silence Rush and will take any chance "they" get.

And just why the heck did Clark, Dean, and some of the others running for the dem nomination have to come out and voice their 2 cents?

I'm SURE it wasn't politically motivated.

Do these goofballs really think that the majority of Americans are that blind that they don't see it as just that?

 

[emmagata]

Originally posted by Galahad
Definitely agree with this. We need more Buckley's and George Will's and few Sean Hannity's, IMO.......

Please clarify.

fewer or a few more

 

[Galahad]

fewer. Hannity doesn't act jerk like some commentators, but he's not particularly thoughtful and just repeats the line of the day. He gets much more tiresome to me that even Rush does.

 

[Galahad]

Because of these factors, I can only come to the conclusion that not only were Rush's comments racial, they were racist.

Walk us through the logic on that one. How does the previous existance of black quarterbacks make Rush's comment racist?

 

[Galahad]

Do these goofballs really think that the majority of Americans are that blind that they don't see it as just that?

I think they probably are. I think after a couple more days of coverage there will also be a poll where the majority will agree that it's a racist comment......after all, they've all heard reports that he's made a racist comment......

 

[Geoff_M]

Remember folks... "racial" <> "racist"

 

[CRB#33]

Originally posted by Galahad
Walk us through the logic on that one. How does the previous existance of black quarterbacks make Rush's comment racist?

When a race is brought into something where it doesn't apply, it's racist.

IMO of course.