Run down and dirty

I think that if you stay at the Uni hotels and use their transportation, Disney can be a let-down. Their transportation is so much faster and so much prettier that it really does put Disney's to shame.

And Disney doesn't have a hotel that compares to Portofino Bay in terms of how pretty it is as you walk around...and Disney's hotel service is simply not as good.

Name the last time some valet guy at Disney remembered that you always come out with a water bottle, but didn't have one with you this time, so he got you a small bottle of cold water free of charge and just gave it to you without your having said a word. "You always have water with you and don't now, would you like this?" Try getting that at Disney. :rotfl: And he was spot-on. I HAD forgotten my water and was thrilled to get it. It's all the little stuff like that that makes the big difference.

After my last trip, I decided that I will no longer switch hotels - I'm staying at Uni the whole trip and make the drive to Disney. Longer trips, I'll stay offsite, but anything under a week or so, I'll be at Uni.
 
For all you people who think Disney is the best place in the world, get your head out of the clouds. Please. Do yourself a favor, take the Mickey ears off (you look ridiculous), stop claiming that the Dumbo ride is such an amazing ride, and stop saying Universal's parks are like Six Flags. If you ever go (wait, you never will, because you would feel like you are betraying Jesus if you go) go through the Dragons line and look at the theming. Go through Mummy's go through MIB;s, go through ET;s go through Bluto's, any of them. Wait, Fantasyland attractions are simply back and forth queues, yet because their Disney, they are the best queues EVER!!!!

:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

Wow, this thread really brought out the haters. Factually, I agree with most of what you said. Dumbo is a pretty lame ride; kids love it and that's great, but I'm puzzled by adults who like it. And yes, comparing univerals to 6 flags is just lame. But you don't have to come on this thread, guns ablazin, and instult everybody. That too is lame.
 
Enough!


I am sorry I even started this thread. Can we just let it die now. This is not a Universal vs. Disney debate. We all have our opinions and should respect others and their opinions.

Can we just move on please.
 

It's not sold on Walt Disney World property either. Even the Hess convenience stores on property don't have it, I've noticed.

SSB

Right, cause Walt didn't want people trashing his parks with the sticky junk. So the least the maintence crews could do is to keep the park clear of gum. Personally, I'm mystified why anybody would ever do anything with their old gum besides throw it in the trash.
 
JLTraveling,
Sorry I did not respond right away. I was celebrating my Anniversary.

Your are right I should have been more forth coming with the details with our last Universal visit and I mean our last. So here they are.
First - parking what a nightmare there was no-one directing traffic people where just driving a parking where ever. We saw several people almost run over. Just mass confusion.
2nd- The ride times where no where near what the wait was longer buy about 20 to 30 min.
3rd - We went to eat The service was poor at best. Quailty of the food was well I would have prefered McDonalds to the fare that was served. Basicly no taste or presentation. The tables looked as if they had no been wiped down in weeks, the floor was so filthy the your shoes were sticking to the floor. The garbage can where over flowing, trays piled up. We actually watch a counter service person walk out grab some trays and walk back behing the counter and reuse them they had not been washed.
4th- Trash every where we went on the ground, in the rides, in the water just every where.
5th- The restroom where disgusting, filthy does not describe them, one was so bad that I would not use it. Unflused stalls, toliet tissue and paper towels on the floor. Diaper's on the floor, because the trash can where over flowing with trash, I could go on but..
6th - We had dinning reservations at Margaritaville, What a joke, We waited for about 45 mins past our reservation time, when we where seated it was a table for 2 that they put 2 more chairs at. Well that was the last straw. We all just turned and walked out.
These are just the highlights of our day.

But We went to DTD, and found the magic, Thank God for pixie dustpixiedust:pixiedust:
 
JLTraveling,
Sorry I did not respond right away. I was celebrating my Anniversary.

Your are right I should have been more forth coming with the details with our last Universal visit and I mean our last. So here they are.
First - parking what a nightmare there was no-one directing traffic people where just driving a parking where ever. We saw several people almost run over. Just mass confusion.
2nd- The ride times where no where near what the wait was longer buy about 20 to 30 min.
3rd - We went to eat The service was poor at best. Quailty of the food was well I would have prefered McDonalds to the fare that was served. Basicly no taste or presentation. The tables looked as if they had no been wiped down in weeks, the floor was so filthy the your shoes were sticking to the floor. The garbage can where over flowing, trays piled up. We actually watch a counter service person walk out grab some trays and walk back behing the counter and reuse them they had not been washed.
4th- Trash every where we went on the ground, in the rides, in the water just every where.
5th- The restroom where disgusting, filthy does not describe them, one was so bad that I would not use it. Unflused stalls, toliet tissue and paper towels on the floor. Diaper's on the floor, because the trash can where over flowing with trash, I could go on but..
6th - We had dinning reservations at Margaritaville, What a joke, We waited for about 45 mins past our reservation time, when we where seated it was a table for 2 that they put 2 more chairs at. Well that was the last straw. We all just turned and walked out.
These are just the highlights of our day.

But We went to DTD, and found the magic, Thank God for pixie dustpixiedust:pixiedust:

I'm sorry to sound like a doubting Thomas, but, I have doubts. Serious doubts.

I've had bad experiences of all kinds, from bad janitorial and maintanence standards to surly employees to no parking to broken stuff in my resort rooms to waiters disapearing for 20 minutes at a time when there were no other customers in the restaurant, at both WDW and Universal. But I've never had a trip to either place that was as consitently bad as what you described above.

I've been to Universal once or twice a year since 1990, and I have never seen ANY of the issues you listed go to the extremes you described. I've never seen anything even close to any of those extremes. My most recent experiences at Uni were in 2008; I went to Uni twice - once in May for 4 days, and once in December for 1 day. All of my following observations were fully valid as of December 2008:

* Parking has never been a problem for me at Uni, even when there are no TMs directing each car into place. I've never seen "mass confusion", though I have seen a few individual vehicles whose drivers seemed confused by the arrows that direct you where to go.

I have seen a few morons walking in front of incoming vehicles in the Uni garages, instead of walking in front of the parked cars as they should. But I've seen also that at every WDW park on every visit, every time I go, even with CMs yelling "PLEASE WALK IN FRONT OF THE PARKED CARS FOR SAFETY!" So I don't count that as a way that WDW is better than Uni.

* I've never experienced Uni wait times longer than the times on the boards. In fact, they're usually shorter. To be fair, I have never seen longer waits than the boards say at WDW, either, and the waits at WDW are also usually shorter than the boards say. So it's a wash.

* Where did you eat? What did you order? How crowded was it? What about it makes you say that it had no taste or presentation? I rarely eat at TS places in Uni, except Lombards or Mythos, but I've never seen any food in Uni - CS or TS - that I would have traded for a McDonalds meal. And in fact, all of my meals at both Lombards and Mythos have been nothing short of perfect.

Nor have I ever seen any eatery or restaurant, in either the Uni parks or resorts, that was as dirty as you describe. I have seen dirty tables in CS places, here and there, during busy periods, and floors that weren't clean enough to eat off of. But I rate the cleanliness of Universal in-park eateries and restaurants equal to WDW, and the resort and CityWalk restaurants are pristine. Stick to the floors? NEVER. And on all of my visits to Mythos and Lombards, both places were spotless, shiny, and darn near operating room sterile.

I've seen trash cans fill up and trays pile up sometimes in the CS eateries. But I've seen that at WDW CS eateries, too. Neither place has ever let it go to the extreme that you described, at least not in my nearly 20 years of visits.

If I ever saw a Uni TM or a Disney CM take dirty trays behind the counter and re-use them without at least wiping them down first, I'd be up in the manager's face immediately. I worked in fast food for many years in my youth, and I have very high standards when it comes to food prep and dining area cleanliness, and service, and I won't eat somewhere that I feel is not up to those standards. The worst CS place I've ever seen in the parks was actually at WDW - Cosmic Ray's Starlight Cafe, in MK. I once sat at a table next to a wall, and the crevices in the wall nearly made me vomit.

* I see trash everywhere in both Uni and WDW. Briefly. Until a TM or CM comes along and picks it up. Trash doesn't last long in the World Showcase Lagoon or the IOA Lagoon, and it never builds up on the streets, walkways, planters, or anyplace else.

* Universal Orlando restrooms are as clean or cleaner than WDW on a consistent basis. I'm picky about restrooms, and the cleanliness and shininess of WDW's restrooms were one of the first things that charmed me on my first trip back in 1990. In those early days, Uni didn't match WDW's standards; but they do now, and they have since about 2003 or 2004.

* I've only eaten at the Uni Margarittaville once, in May 2008. I had about a 30 minute wait with no reservation. In busier times of the year, I can see what happened to you being believable, because I had the same thing happen to me at 'Ohana in December 2007; I showed up for my 1-person ADR 20 minutes early, and was not seated until 45 minutes AFTER my ADR time. I missed the shuttle launch - the only one ever scheduled during one of my 20+ Orlando trips - because I was sitting in the Tambu lounge waiting. But I didn't lose sight of the Magic.

All in all, the experience you described sounds very much like my last visit to King's Dominion in Virginia. Which is why I refuse to ever return to King's Dominion, a park which I visited almost every summer when I was growing up, and of which I have a lot of fond, warm memories. But I kicked KD to the curb when it went to pot, and would do the same to either Universal Orlando or WDW if they turned to junk in the same manner.
 
Uni's restrooms have been cleaner than Disney's for a couple years now. Disney used to have the cleanest, then they let them slide into...well, it was just gross. They've cleaned it up a bit, but Uni still has the edge on restrooms.

I used to say that short of the U.S. military, nobody had cleaner restrooms than Disney. No longer the case, that's for sure.

eta: Women's restrooms. I don't know about men's. I avoid men's restrooms everywhere and at all costs. Ew. Ick. I don't know how men can stand it.
 
I'm not offended..just stating that I had seen previous posts of yours, and they can be a tad bit snarky, that's all. In these posts, you pretty much slam Disney...but whatever..

I find it amusing if anything that some(not all) of the Universal devotees get so nasty and defensive..It's okay, really. It comes across as "middle child syndrome"..you know, the middle kid has an inferiority complex, so they lash out.;)

There is nothin nasty that I have wrote. I have wrote an opinion that differs from yours. You seem to struggle with this concept.
 
I have been to both parks multiple times. They are both clean and fun parks and I enjoy them both. I do favor Disney though. There is just something about Disney that is magical to me even though I turned forty this year. US does not even begin to compare to Six Flags which if they are all like the Atlanta one, they are a huge rip off and filthy...make that FILTHY.
 
Run down and dirty?! WDW is always the cleanest place we have ever been, for either business or vacation, etc.:rotfl2:

Ditto
and if they went to Universal yet were saying WDW was run down and dirty- well that baffles me. I found US/IOA to be dirtier IMO. *shrugs* liked some of the rides at US/IOA but definitely didn't find it CLEANER.

(ps. if I could just pay less for us to just to go in and ride E.T. again- I'd do it. But I can't bring myself to pay all that money and give up WDW time just for that ride. Yes we liked other rides too but that's the one that I'd really like to ride again. THAT ride felt the most like it could be in WDW and fit in- although it's not a Disney movie obviously. Maybe it's the memories it brought back or the way the ride is- I dunno... but I so wanna ride that again! LOL)
 
OKay...now, there are some people who have been criticizing people for defending disney so much, but these people are also defending US the same way that others are defending disney
not everyone who prefers disney to US is "brainwashed by the mouse"....and not everyone who doesnt liek US has never given it a chance

I have been to both parks adn hands down i prefer Disney better...does that mean that i didnt giv eit a chance or that im "braniwashed by the mouse"...no
This is one of my favorite Disney adn US stories..
We went to both Disney and US on a band trip a few yrs ago adn one of my friends who was 18 at the time had never been to disney or universal so her opinions were pretty much from a clean slate....she is a thrill ride junky so we all thought that she would prefer US over disney for that reason.
Well, we did 3 days disney/2 days USand IOA
we did IOA the first day adn as we thought, she loved the rides (she was th eonly one in our group of 10 who had never been to either before and only one person had never been to both)
and i have to say, with how much she loved the thrill rides, we were all hoping that she wasnt goign to be disappointed in disney becasue ye, at MK there are not the same type of thrill rides and that was were we were going the next day.
Well, when we left for MK the nxt day, we warned her that it wasnt goin gto be like US...there werent the thrill rides that we had the day before adn that it was definitely going to be different. When she walked into MK and saw the castle, OMG...she just stopped adn stood there with her mouth wide open adn could not stop smiling.....i looked at one of my friends adn we were like....i think she already gets the disney magic.
She could not stop smiling all day. She rode eveyrthing wiht us. Winnie the pooh to peter pan adn buzz lightyear adn space mountain, etc. Her favorite thing was phillharmagic. After how much she insisted that the thrill rides were so important to her, we were surprised at how much she was bit by the magic there.
Her words after we had been to all 4 disney parks adn US/IOA were, "The thrill rides at US/IOA were great adn i would go back, but there is not the same magic as there was at disney. I didnt feel as happy at US/IOA as i did at disney."

US/IOA is a great park....most people i know who go there aso go to disney....they like both equally adn they split there trip to do both
I gave it a chance...twice, adn i just dont have any desire to go back. It just wasnt for me adn i'll be honest, i was pretty bored....for me it was more, once you do the rides once, nothing was worht repeating (except hulk...i did that 4 times just becasue i could keep my eyes open the first 3 times...lol)
My opinion is that disney has something for almost anyone....young, old, everyone inbetween...most people will find something they love at one of th eparks
US/IOA has seuss landing which is good, adn they have all those thrill rieds, but i persoanlly thingk its geared more towards people who love thrill rides. If thats you, than great...if not, there are 4 more parks down the road

The last thing i'll say....
There is a magic at disney that no where else has. I have been there with 4 other families wiht littel kids on their first trip as the babysitter adn I will NEVER forget the look on the kids (and the parents who had never been there) faces when they walked into the MK. Thats what disney is about....its the magic...is everything perfect. NO. Is there anywhere that eveyrthing is perfect. NO. do they make mistakes. YES Do CM have off days YES
There is so much hidden stuff around Disney that it is a place you need to step back adn look around and appreciate it. I think tat a lot of people who don't get it or who dont enjoy it dont just take the time to slow down adn step back and just take everything in. I think they rush too much, try to get everything done adn expect too much from other people when they should be making there own magic. Now before anyone says anything, i understand that no matter what not everyone "gets" it adn thats perfectly fine. No matter what, there are people who dont like disney adn its not the ned of the world

You can like only Disney....you can like only US/IOA....you can like both

That was supposed to be my 2 cents....i htink it turned out to be a lot more than that:thumbsup2
 
As I stood in front of the school today picking up DD I overheard a Mom talking about her recent trip to Disney. She used the words run down and dirty. She was talking about how boring the rides were and they skipped the rest of their plans and spent the remainder of their trip at Universal. (I have not been to Universal so I can't compare myself)

It felt it was an interesting perspective on how someone else views Disney. I, of course think the total opposite. I feel they do a great job maintaining and cleaning the parks. I love the rides and find some of them them amazingly ingenious. :wizard:

I am all for people having their own opinions and certianly don't fault her for them but I can't believe that EVERYONE just does not feel the disney magic when you walk down Main street.

Oh well, I think she felt a little embarressed when the other Mom she was talking to told her that my family were total disney lovers. :love: She stated that they travel a lot to different destinations and Disney was not for them.

We travel a lot too around the country so I am not quite sure where she was going with that comment. I suspect she was back peddling at that point. Hey, to each their own. :rolleyes1 We ski, hike, lay on the beach, go East coast, West coast and in between, but when we are at Disney World our family is at our best and the happiest! :thumbsup2

Interesting........maybe they stayed off property at a local hotel.:confused3
 
Disfan- Very nice story, I'm glad your friend enjoyed both parks.:thumbsup2
 
You can like only Disney....you can like only US/IOA....you can like both

That was supposed to be my 2 cents....i htink it turned out to be a lot more than that:thumbsup2

Well said, I was merely pointing out some shortcomings I saw from my recent trip and some people are saying they didn't exist because "it's Disney" . Yes I am a Disney fan, and a US/ IOA one. I will point out anything I don't like at either park. For example, I hate the way US just forces you out of the park so quickly at close.
 
i have been going to disney world for over 20 years first trip was in 88 when i was 9 . now that i moved down to florida two years ago from nj i have both a disney and universal pass. while i don't think disney is "run down" i do think alot of their rides and films are stale and really need to be updated. just on rides alone universal is vastly better in my opinion, simpsons, the mummy, spiderman, mib, jaws, and the like outthrill and theme disney in many respects. as for the movies shrek, and terminator compared to muppets come on. when harry potter opens next year disney is really going to have to think about what the next step is , it's been over 10 years since a new park has opened. With all the resources disney has they really need to come up with something fresh and exciting. Disney use to be the number one for me but going forward universal has overtaken them.
 
and terminator compared to muppets come on.

I haven't been to US for a few years but one thing on our latest trip both DW and I noticed on the Muppet Show was that the 3D film itself was getting "grainy". Lots of specks and squiggles on it. ON certain spots of it, the 3D effects were out of focus too.

Has anybody else noticed that? It just made it seem dated. And I LOVE the Muppets before people bash me. I think the waiting area is one of the best around.
 
To each their own. While I haven't been to U.S. it just seems to be more of an amusement park, not the vacation experience that WDW is.
 
To each their own. While I haven't been to U.S. it just seems to be more of an amusement park, not the vacation experience that WDW is.

and bingo...there is the problem. You havent even been yet you have made a judgement on what you percieve it to be like. That is pure Disney brainwashing at its best. If you dont want to go to US then fair do's thats your decision but how on earth can you then form an opinion on it? Your opinions are rightfully going to be challenged if they aint based on anything other than a guess.
 
Half the club is here tonight!

I have heard a lot of my Disney-loving friends suggest that Harry Potter will get them to venture to Universal once it opens. But that park has such a different feel that I think many folks will gain a deeper appreciation for WDW after seeing the grass on the other side of the fence (and some will really like Universal).

I am with you all. Disney feels ideal to me. Not perfect -- I complain about some things sometimes. But the richness of Walt's vision hits home. It just never gets old for me.

Interesting because we will skip WDW next year and do US for HP. I'm actually hoping that the cruise will be available too on Royal Caribbean.
 

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