RUMOR: Sequel Trilogy to be De-Canonized

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There’s the problem. If the link isn’t provided up front, it’s not legit. It’s fanboy sites promoting their theories. There is no actual source to this.

It's not even fanboy sites. It is youtubers who live on outrage. They have fired the showrunner of star trek about 10 times now but CBS won;t announce the firing because it will make them look bad (yes those are the kind of arguments they use). Star Trek discovery has been cancelled every season... picard is never going to air... same ole same ole. It's all about outrage and clicks. One of the more "popular" guys in this group does his videos with this stupid mask on calling himself the future ruler of earth and the name he posts under is stupid.

That is why no link was provided. It would be easy to determine the source was a click-bait channel with little credibility.

(sorry.. that group dubbed the "fandom meanace" just gets on my nerves and they make fandom look bad.
 
There’s the problem. If the link isn’t provided up front, it’s not legit. It’s fanboy sites promoting their theories. There is no actual source to this.

Eh. it's bit more than just fanboy sites promoting theories.
 

It's not even fanboy sites. It is youtubers who live on outrage. They have fired the showrunner of star trek about 10 times now but CBS won;t announce the firing because it will make them look bad (yes those are the kind of arguments they use). Star Trek discovery has been cancelled every season... picard is never going to air... same ole same ole. It's all about outrage and clicks. One of the more "popular" guys in this group does his videos with this stupid mask on calling himself the future ruler of earth and the name he posts under is stupid.

That is why no link was provided. It would be easy to determine the source was a click-bait channel with little credibility.

(sorry.. that group dubbed the "fandom meanace" just gets on my nerves and they make fandom look bad.

Yeah, I don't get that. I mean, with Star Trek, I really do not care for Discovery and the current stuff they are making. I've had discussions about why, etc. and I am happy to do so, but I don't need to constantly hear the opinions of people on YouTube to fuel my "rage" about it. Yeah, I don't like it and I have reasons why. In the end it's a TV show that I don't watch and have very little interest in. I loved Star Trek and hope to see a show that is more to my liking someday, but I don't need to lead a crusade about it.
 
Yeah, I don't get that. I mean, with Star Trek, I really do not care for Discovery and the current stuff they are making. I've had discussions about why, etc. and I am happy to do so, but I don't need to constantly hear the opinions of people on YouTube to fuel my "rage" about it. Yeah, I don't like it and I have reasons why. In the end it's a TV show that I don't watch and have very little interest in. I loved Star Trek and hope to see a show that is more to my liking someday, but I don't need to lead a crusade about it.

and if you don't like it you don't like it. The youttube stuff is out of hand. You get crazy headlines like "discovery production in turmoil. Has Kurtzman been fired?" clickbaity headlins. In the link above the OP posted there was a youtube link in there with a headline "the secret to saving star wars... and what Katheleen HATES it". More clickbait crap.
 
And episode 8 was really good in my eyes. Everyone is different.

That's nice, but it wasn't really good in the eyes of the large majority of Star Wars fans. They crapped all over Luke Skywalker. In fact, it turned the Star Wars fanbase away. They didn't buy that property because the Star Wars fanbase is insignificant.

Honestly, I find it hard to believe you could articulate anything good about that movie. Even from the standpoint of a standalone film, it wasn't good. The storyline made no sense and the entire side-plot with Finn and Rose was totally meaningless. Which parts did you actually enjoy? The graphics?
 
Look, man, I've heard it. The assumption that because I feel differently about the films that I couldn't possibly understand them is a condescending way to dismiss my opinion. To me, I think the ST as a whole works, even if it pivots in the middle. Empire takes a pretty hard turn from A New Hope, but Jedi turns back toward the comfortable elements of the original. The difference is that you enjoyed the originals and you didn't like the ST. Thats fair, and I'm not going to tell you why you should like them. I think though that people don't see the "flaws" in the OT because they love them so much, and they nitpick the ST, and the Prequels, for a lot of the same supposed issues present in the OT (most things really aren't issues at all to me). In the end, the ST didn't deliver what certain fans wanted to see, but it doesn't make their narrative flawed. Ep IX picked up every thread and tied them up - it all works - at least as well as any other Star Wars does. The Prequels were the only ones that really were planned out in advance (hmm, maybe that is why they are the superior trilogy).

Honestly, literally anything they chose to do would have disappointed some fans and they would be the loudest voices in the room - just like with the Prequels - just like with any long running series. If they change too much they "destroyed" it - if they don't change enough they are "just copying" it. There is no way to win with certain folks, but they did win with most of us who jsut wanted to enjoy it, and did.

I don't begrudge your opinion man. Chill out.

I'm not arguing that the themes and character points were bad in the ST. I actually think a failed and hidden Luke is an interesting story to tell. The story of a grandson of Vader being conflicted and torn is a great story to tell. The collapse and failure of the New Republic has good story elements to it.

My point is that the way these themes were displayed, how the story was told how the actual structure, pacing and beats of the story were presented to us over three movies was absolutely dreadful. Why were story elements that were built up in TFA completely tossed away in TLJ? Why was the culmination of the whole trilogy an antagonist that wasn't introduced until the third and final act?

I'm not good at this sort of breakdown, but you can watch the first 30 minutes of this video if you're actually interested in the components of story telling that themes and character development lie on.

The OT had plenty of flaws, but the story elements of those movies were pretty basic and held to a pretty good pattern of classic heroes journey. Obviously the glaring issue is stuff like Luke and Leia and Ewoks defeating stormtroopers.

The Prequels were competent from a story telling point of view because they at least had a beginning middle and end and the elements were tied throughout it with a consistent vision. The argument there is if the story was good or not (though you can argue the filmography, direction, camera work, overuse of green screen etc made for competent film making). Anakin was the main character and you got to know him and his character arc (though, imo, poorly written) and even became better through the cartoon series.

In the ST, the main character was Rey who had terrible character development. She basically was good at everything and really had no set backs. She had no arc, and any arc she may have had was erased as the movies went on. She could have had a really good story if it was written better and still followed roughly the same story beats, but here whole story arc was written like fanfiction.

Ultimately that just leads to forgettable characters.
 
That's nice, but it wasn't really good in the eyes of the large majority of Star Wars fans. They crapped all over Luke Skywalker. In fact, it turned the Star Wars fanbase away. They didn't buy that property because the Star Wars fanbase is insignificant.

Honestly, I find it hard to believe you could articulate anything good about that movie. Even from the standpoint of a standalone film, it wasn't good. Which parts did you actually enjoy? The graphics?
I don’t think you can necessarily say that. I know many people who really liked The Last Jedi.

The artistry certainly was great when it came to TLJ but I also enjoyed everything else. Rey didn’t have to be of decent from someone within the OG trilogy. One can be force sensitive without that.
 
That's nice, but it wasn't really good in the eyes of the large majority of Star Wars fans. They crapped all over Luke Skywalker. In fact, it turned the Star Wars fanbase away. They didn't buy that property because the Star Wars fanbase is insignificant.

Honestly, I find it hard to believe you could articulate anything good about that movie. Even from the standpoint of a standalone film, it wasn't good. The storyline made no sense and the entire side-plot with Finn and Rose was totally meaningless. Which parts did you actually enjoy? The graphics?

Forget about the Luke's character arc. It's the plot lines were god awful and accomplished nothing.

I bet you that with some simple editing (or maybe none at all) you could watch Ep7 and 9 and no one would notice 8 was missing.
 
That's nice, but it wasn't really good in the eyes of the large majority of Star Wars fans. They crapped all over Luke Skywalker. In fact, it turned the Star Wars fanbase away. They didn't buy that property because the Star Wars fanbase is insignificant.

Honestly, I find it hard to believe you could articulate anything good about that movie. Even from the standpoint of a standalone film, it wasn't good. The storyline made no sense and the entire side-plot with Finn and Rose was totally meaningless. Which parts did you actually enjoy? The graphics?

Honest question - Why did Luke Skywalker have to be so perfect? The expectation seems to be that if he wasn't this super-successful, powerful Jedi master then they somehow betrayed his character. He was always quite flawed, half-trained, and not a complete Jedi anyway. The situation changed and his feelings and tactics changed (right out of the Jedi playbook to hide away) - he eventually learned that he was wrong to do so, and pushed hismelf to make a difference with an impressive display of Force ability. He died a hero and continued to guide Rey through the Force. It all tracks to me, though maybe the movie could have fleshed out the background a little bit more - I certainly didn't leave scratching my head though.
 
That's nice, but it wasn't really good in the eyes of the large majority of Star Wars fans. They crapped all over Luke Skywalker. In fact, it turned the Star Wars fanbase away. They didn't buy that property because the Star Wars fanbase is insignificant.

Honestly, I find it hard to believe you could articulate anything good about that movie. Even from the standpoint of a standalone film, it wasn't good. The storyline made no sense and the entire side-plot with Finn and Rose was totally meaningless. Which parts did you actually enjoy? The graphics?

I'm pretty sure it was popular with all but a small and very vocal minority of Star Wars fans. It was probably my favorite of the sequel trilogy if only because it was trying to do something new. Was it perfect, no. But I thought it was pretty good for what it was: a big budget action-movie for kids.
 
The artistry certainly was great when it came to TLJ but I also enjoyed everything else. Rey didn’t have to be of decent from someone within the OG trilogy. One can be force sensitive without that.

I'm still waiting to hear what you actually liked about the movie. So far, you've said the "artistry." No one can claim the graphics weren't great. The story was garbage.

I didn't say anything about Rey, so I don't know what you mean by that. I'm not the one who made her lineage a central part of the story in all three movies. Apparently it was really important. The best character from the Clone Wars cartoon series is a force-sensitive female who isn't descended from anyone from the original trilogy.
 
I don't begrudge your opinion man. Chill out.

Yeah, but you basically said that I couldn't possibly have seen the same movie you did because I don't find flaws in the narrative structure. That's not a real argument.

I do respect that you have issues with the way the story was presented and not the typical reactions to the supposed political nonsense or jsut hating what ws done with Luke. I think TLJ was trying to be a bit subversive, which is not really a bad thing but I do think that they could have "earned" it more with a bit more backstory, but the movies were already running so long. I don't like the trend of fleshing things out in the books and stuff because most people will never read them (neither do I). So, sure there are a few issues here and there, but I think people forgive the OT for the same things - George obviously didn't have a full plan of Luke wouldn't be making out with his sister - and it just gets a little old to see the ST raked over the coals for similar sins.
 
This rumor was started by a YouTube user whose name isn't even appropriate to post on a family friendly forum.

He's not know for being accurate. And he has an agenda
 
I'm still waiting to hear what you actually liked about the movie. So far, you've said the "artistry." No one can claim the graphics weren't great. The story was garbage.

I didn't say anything about Rey, so I don't know what you mean by that. I'm not the one who made her lineage a central story arch in all three movies. Apparently it was really important. The best character from the Clone Wars cartoon series is a force-sensitive female who isn't descended from anyone from the original trilogy.
Pretty sure you meant to quote me. Rey is part of the story so that’s why I brought her up. I’m not sure what else you want from me? I like the movie. I’m not less of a Star Wars fan because of it. Now the The Rise of Skywalker I grow less and less fond of every day.
 
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