RUMOR: Sequel Trilogy to be De-Canonized

[DVCcurious]

This is a RUMOR. Disney has not confirmed this. But the rumor is these discussions are going on inside of Lucas Film as we speak. Feel free to google for more information.

Lucas Film is strongly considering removing the sequel trilogy from Star Wars Canon and making it part of Star Wars Legends. The details of how they'll pull this off story-wise are available on youtube, just google "Star Wars sequel removed from canon" and choose from the many videos available.

Why would Lucas Film do this? The answer is simple: Money. As I explained in post #366 of the Rise of Skywalker thread:

https://www.disboards.com/threads/s...-thread-now-contains-spoilers.3775762/page-19
"Just like the Solo boycott was not true, right? BTW Jar Jar Abrams mentioned The Fandom Menace in his Esquire interview. But keep believing we’re a small insignificant minority.

We’ve gone through this before. I saw TFA 24 times in the theater. You saw it once. Disney kept you as a customer but lost me. You saw Solo once, I didn’t see it. So TFA sold 25 tickets between you and I for TFA and 1 ticket to Solo. That explains the drop in gross from 2.1 billion to 450 million. And that’s why I’ve been saying EP 9 will gross less than $1 billion. To hit that level a movie needs repeat viewers. I’m suggesting Star Wars drove away the repeat viewers and kept the one-time viewers. I saw Endgame 18 times. A lot of us nerds saw it double-digit times. It didn’t get to 2.7 billion because a whole bunch of people watched it once.

Or maybe Solo failed because it was too much too soon. Yeah, it was probably just Star Wars fatigue..."

The sequel trilogy saw its theatrical release gross plummet from $2 billion for the first movie to $1 billion for the third movie (which is what I predicted). The reason for that is what I explained: they lost repeat viewers.

Some people cared A LOT (looking at you KK) that the "good guys" were minorities and women and the "bad guys" were all white men. Those people watched the movie once. But the hard core fans, those who see movies 24 times in the theatre and drive the $2 billion gross, want good stories and couldn't care less about the gender/race of the "good guys" or "bad guys". It is also true that the people who care A LOT about the gender/race don't really care about Star Wars. Yeah maybe they like Star Wars, but they don't obsess over it. But these people do care a great deal about ADVANCING THE CAUSE regardless which movie franchise it is. Star Wars, Marvel, DC, they don't care. But the hard core fans DO care about Star Wars. We care a lot. And we "left the building" after The Last Jedi.

So look at this from Disney's perspective. Suppose they come out and say that the new trilogy is just "one possible future" (to quote Kyle Reese). It didn't necessarily happen. Sure in one universe it did happen that way, but there are other universes and in those universes maybe Luke Skywalker wasn't a loser who tried to kill his nephew. In those universes maybe Han Solo was not a dead-beat dad. And then you write some novels for possible stories for the sequel trilogy. And those novels have Lando, Luke, Han, Leia, Chewie, R2-D2, and C3PO have some awesome adventures together. And the hard core fans have something that they like. "One possible future" that appeals to them.

Here's what happens:

People who care about race/gender: they don't care about this announcement. They got their preferred casting gender/race make up in the new trilogy and they've moved on to harass other movies and TV shows. So there's no harm done there to Disney.

Hard core fans: Granted a lot will still be pissed. But at least they know that the sequel trilogy isn't canon and didn't necessarily happen and they can get books to tell them the story they want to hear.

So it seems like a win/win.

But one person behind the scenes is dead-set against this: Kathleen Kennedy. And that's what's delaying (or will kill) this decision.

Disney paid $4.05 billion for Star Wars. They didn't do that to put it on Disney +. They want to keep pumping out theatrical movies with $2 billion grosses. But they can't do that without bringing back the hard-core fans. This is their current idea of how to bring the hard-core fans back to the fold.

 

[skeeter31]

This is a RUMOR. Disney has not confirmed this. But the rumor is these discussions are going on inside of Lucas Film as we speak. Feel free to google for more information.

Lucas Film is strongly considering removing the sequel trilogy from Star Wars Canon and making it part of Star Wars Legends. The details of how they'll pull this off story-wise are available on youtube, just google "Star Wars sequel removed from canon" and choose from the many videos available.

Why would Lucas Film do this? The answer is simple: Money. As I explained in post #366 of the Rise of Skywalker thread:

https://www.disboards.com/threads/s...-thread-now-contains-spoilers.3775762/page-19
"Just like the Solo boycott was not true, right? BTW Jar Jar Abrams mentioned The Fandom Menace in his Esquire interview. But keep believing we’re a small insignificant minority.

We’ve gone through this before. I saw TFA 24 times in the theater. You saw it once. Disney kept you as a customer but lost me. You saw Solo once, I didn’t see it. So TFA sold 25 tickets between you and I for TFA and 1 ticket to Solo. That explains the drop in gross from 2.1 billion to 450 million. And that’s why I’ve been saying EP 9 will gross less than $1 billion. To hit that level a movie needs repeat viewers. I’m suggesting Star Wars drove away the repeat viewers and kept the one-time viewers. I saw Endgame 18 times. A lot of us nerds saw it double-digit times. It didn’t get to 2.7 billion because a whole bunch of people watched it once.

Or maybe Solo failed because it was too much too soon. Yeah, it was probably just Star Wars fatigue..."

The sequel trilogy saw its theatrical release gross plummet from $2 billion for the first movie to $1 billion for the third movie (which is what I predicted). The reason for that is what I explained: they lost repeat viewers.

Some people cared A LOT (looking at you KK) that the "good guys" were minorities and women and the "bad guys" were all white men. Those people watched the movie once. But the hard core fans, those who see movies 24 times in the theatre and drive the $2 billion gross, want good stories and couldn't care less about the gender/race of the "good guys" or "bad guys". It is also true that the people who care A LOT about the gender/race don't really care about Star Wars. Yeah maybe they like Star Wars, but they don't obsess over it. But these people do care a great deal about ADVANCING THE CAUSE regardless which movie franchise it is. Star Wars, Marvel, DC, they don't care. But the hard core fans DO care about Star Wars. We care a lot. And we "left the building" after The Last Jedi.

So look at this from Disney's perspective. Suppose they come out and say that the new trilogy is just "one possible future" (to quote Kyle Reese). It didn't necessarily happen. Sure in one universe it did happen that way, but there are other universes and in those universes maybe Luke Skywalker wasn't a loser who tried to kill his nephew. In those universes maybe Han Solo was not a dead-beat dad. And then you write some novels for possible stories for the sequel trilogy. And those novels have Lando, Luke, Han, Leia, Chewie, R2-D2, and C3PO have some awesome adventures together. And the hard core fans have something that they like. "One possible future" that appeals to them.

Here's what happens:

People who care about race/gender: they don't care about this announcement. They got their preferred casting gender/race make up in the new trilogy and they've moved on to harass other movies and TV shows. So there's no harm done there to Disney.

Hard core fans: Granted a lot will still be pissed. But at least they know that the sequel trilogy isn't canon and didn't necessarily happen and they can get books to tell them the story they want to hear.

So it seems like a win/win.

But one person behind the scenes is dead-set against this: Kathleen Kennedy. And that's what's delaying (or will kill) this decision.

Disney paid $4.05 billion for Star Wars. They didn't do that to put it on Disney +. They want to keep pumping out theatrical movies with $2 billion grosses. But they can't do that without bringing back the hard-core fans. This is their current idea of how to bring the hard-core fans back to the fold.

This was discussed a week or 2 ago in the News thread at the top of the forum. Seems highly unlikely and really just seems like an opinion piece from a Youtuber with no real facts behind it. As was discussed earlier, Disney wouldn’t have invested what they did in the movies, and more importantly the land at both parks, if they weren’t going to keep the trilogy.

 

[rstevens333]

that's pretty on-brand for 2020, but i doubt it.

 

[BrianL]

Ehh, the Sequel Trilogy is fine. I though they were entertaining and I do not at all see all of the political stuff the people complain about at all. There was always one female lead of the primary three characters in Star Wars. Nothing changed there. This is just the Prequels all over again - for some anything that they did would have been unsatisfactory. Heck, Empire Strikes Back fractured the fanbase originally. Not everybody likes it, but that's true of everything. Generally the movies have been successful. I can't see why they would de-cannonize them. I doubt it would happen.

 

[skeeter31]

And not to be morose, but with Carrie Fisher no longer with us I really can’t see them doing anything now. If she was still alive, I’d believe this a little bit more, but to make a new sequel trilogy without her would be horrible.

 

[DVCcurious]

And not to be morose, but with Carrie Fisher no longer with us I really can’t see them doing anything now. If she was still alive, I’d believe this a little bit more, but to make a new sequel trilogy without her would be horrible.

They won’t make a new sequel movie trilogy. This would just be an announcement that the sequel trilogy is one possibility and they will release novels with other possible post episode 6 stories

 

[Krandor]

Any source using the phrase jar jar Abrams isn’t credible.

 

[skeeter31]

They won’t make a new sequel movie trilogy. This would just be an announcement that the sequel trilogy is one possibility and they will release novels with other possible post episode 6 stories

I still don’t see that happening. They wouldn’t have invested what they did in these films (as awful some feel they are) to not have them “count.” If they wanted to go that route, they would have left the LEGENDS stuff as a ”possible” storyline as well instead of non-canonizing that. As much as people may not like the new trilogy, it’s canon, will forever be canon, and is here to stay. Disney will most likely just move in different time periods now, and leave the Skywalke/Palpatine/Solo families out of movies for a while.

 

[jade1]

I finally watched that "Rebels" episode (have never watched any otherwise), but indeed changing Darth Vader's past and Palpatine's IN the episode was interesting.

If they spin off an OT different trajectory (which now they obviously could and actually did), that is a different path than this last trilogy-

I will be there opening night for sure.

Take my money.

 

[KayMichigan]

Not gonna happen. It's wishful thinking by people who didn't like the sequels. Apparently the rumor originated at a YouTube site whose veracity is highly dubious at best.

Disney isn't going to junk three entire movies that they spent a lot of money on just to make some dissatisfied fans happy.

 

[Krandor]

Not gonna happen. It's wishful thinking by people who didn't like the sequels. Apparently the rumor originated at a fanboy site whose veracity is highly dubious at best.

Disney isn't going to junk three entire movies that they spent a lot of money on just to make some dissatisfied fans happy.

Yeah the whole idea that they are going to de-canonize the movies and then put out alternate versions in books is just laughable. Especially with how much it is integrated into SWGE. Just not happening. It is simply something coming from "the fandom menace" youtubers who are just trying to get clicks. Outrage sells clicks.

 

[Future_WorldPhonencian]

Yeah this is silly, Disney wouldn't have spent multiple billions on 2 SW lands and a hotel if it were true. All three trilogy films grossed over a billion each and dont forget merch, tv series, Halloween costumes, etc. Disney's investment paid off many times over, another crackpot Youtuber trying to get viewers.

 

[J-BOY]

This is nothing more than desperate reaching by someone who “had their childhood ruined” by the sequels.

How can anyone claim “inside sources” yet provide no concrete information other than SW conspiracy theory videos on YouTube and refer to the franchise’s parent company as Lucas Film (which is an incorrect spelling) multiple times?

 

[HairyChest]

Nothing would get the hardcore base more excited and bring them back like this. And there is ALOT of money in it for them to do that (including merchandising) more so then announcing a star wars episode 10 or another story. If they can showcase Luke as the powerful good Jedi that most fans saw him as before the sequel trilogy, I can see Disney raking in the money. In turn, if that is a major success, Galaxys Edge will reflect the characters from the original trilogy. A too good to be true prospect. But this is 2020...

 

[mom2aandj]

I finally watched that "Rebels" episode (have never watched any otherwise), but indeed changing Darth Vader's past and Palpatine's IN the episode was interesting.

What episode of Rebels was this?

 

[BrianL]

The thing people forget is that Kathleen Kennedy guided the creation of the Sequel Trilogy, but ALSO Rogue One, Rebels, The Mandalorian, The final season of Clone Wars - all well-received stuff. Even TFA was well received, but TLJ somehow ticked lots of people off so that they wouldn't even give anything else a chance. If you watch ROS it pretty much aleviates any of those fan concerns from TLJ (well not the dumb political ones). It was all good in my opinion, but don't act like she only had a hand in the "bad" stuff and the not the good.

 

[jade1]

What episode of Rebels was this?

Season 4 Ep 13.

 

[Mamiamjo]

They won’t make a new sequel movie trilogy. This would just be an announcement that the sequel trilogy is one possibility and they will release novels with other possible post episode 6 stories

Hmm, Alternate Realities, Choose your Storyline? Maybe they could change the Prequels too

 

[Krandor]

Hmm, Alternate Realities, Choose your Storyline? Maybe they could change the Prequels too

Which is already there. If you don't like the sequels go read the legends books starting with the thrawn trilogy. Already there. Already available.

 

[Mamiamjo]

Which is already there. If you don't like the sequels go read the legends books starting with the thrawn trilogy. Already there. Already available.

Right, but I thought we were talking movies? maybe I misunderstood