Rumor on Restaurant board: ADR priority for DVC members?

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Sammie: I would be very very surprised if the TIW was not honored even if it was not coded in the reservation---as I said, it would violate the "never say no" principle, and that's pretty deeply ingrained in the corporate culture. The only way I could imagine it is if Disney puts it in the published materials, and even then, it would be phased in over a few months until word got out.

Even if it is "official policy" not to accept it, I'm guessing the cast members on the ground will still do it to make their own lives simpler unless and until it rises to a terminable offense (much as some of the DDP shenanigans have.)

Instead, I suspect that the "enforcement" will depend on strong words and peoples' inclination to follow directions. But, I've been wrong before.

I would tend to agree. As always Disney throws these changes out there and then they let the problems arise and go from there. I seriously doubt as you say they will stop anyone at this time from using their TIW discount at the table.

I wish I could clarify this a little more but really as with all things Disney the story on this change, is different depending on whether you are talking to Food and Beverage or Reservations.

Right now those departments seem to be in contradiction to each other and of course IT is still tweaking it, I was told it was a major undertaking, so that could mean it will be months before it real change is noticed.

And yes; as of today's conversations' I tend to agree that enforcement will be more in the writing and less in the actual doing.
 
fwiw, a loved one that works at drc told me today that this isn't true.

I don't know. There may be more to a la carte than she knows right now, who knows.


But I will tell you this for sure. They are not going to turn down a tiw or an ap discount or dvc discount or a ddp credit for that matter at any disney restaurant if it isn't coded on your reservation, that just isn't going to happen.
 
Good letter, Brooke.

Thank you...I still haven't heard back from them yet, but will report back with what they say.


There's not a knowledgeable/experienced large-project corporate programmer in the world who would make a statement like that without a thorough review of the business requirements. The fact that he would say that tells you he's the last person Disney should hire.

Whoa...settle. Pilferk is a buddy of mine from another thread. I know he's a bit of a computer geek (as am I, and assuming you are too). It was a half joke.


If that happens to anyone, I will eat my DDE/TIW card and post photos.

:rotfl: Love it.
 
If I came to you at work and told you I wanted you to make changes to one or more systems - it's unclear how many are involved). I don't know how big the systems are, don't know what platform they are written in. Don't know how many users there are or how they interface with the system(s). I don't know either the peek, or sustained volume of transaction. Don't know what upstream systems systems feed these, nor what downstream systems need to be fed. Don't know what kind of information must be captured and tracked. Don't know what testing environments are used, what standards the company requires for change. No idea of the resources or budget available either.

Would you say such changes are

- Easy?
- Hard?
- Impossible to say without more information?

How would you feel if you boss, not knowing all the things outlined above, promised that such a project would be easy and that you'd take care of it with no problem?

So you mean (minus the budget question...EVERYONE knows what their budget is) a typical Tuesday? You just described the majority of my conversations with system users (who, by and large, are NOT technically oriented employees) over the past 8 years (since I was in any position to do anything about it).

I would say exactly what I said: Theoretically, the changes you're asking for are TECHNICALLY easy. The programming, itself, is very simple in most environments....and I think we can assume that Disney is using something like Oracle or SQL as their back end and not something off the wall like Revelation (in which, FYI, it would STILL be easy to do). I doubt the TECHNICAL piece (meaning the actual design, coding, and database mods) would be the stumbling block. The SYSTEMS piece might...which I said in my follow up post and is what I tell my users, right before I tell them "Lets book a meeting with everyone involved".

So, now lets look at what we're dealing with to see if the changes make the most sense to implement, based on some of the factors you mention. If there are systems issues, if the system, as a whole, is not designed well, or is overburdened, or the programmers/admins/dba's are incompetent, or a whole host of other problems exist, then changes may not work. If there are operational issues (something I find far more frequently...thinks like budget issues) that prevent the changes from making sense, then the changes may not work. But then, ANY changes in that type of environment are going to be problematic, complex, and time consuming....so when you're talking "easy" you're talking "relative" ease. That doesn't mean the concept being proposed is complex....it means the environment might be. You might suspect that's the case. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt, since we're not sitting in a design meeting, we're just postulating on a Disney forum. Again, the worst you can say here is that I'm being an optimist.

And I've personally implemented this type of thing in similar "tracking" type systems before, where we needed tiered viewing on certain items. What I would consider a pretty large system, running 24/7. We're talking a throughput/turnover of something akin to 10's of thousands of individual items per day, upwards of 100k DB transactions, minimum...items into service, out of service, and back in, with the added complexity of kit building thrown in....with users on both sides interfacing (the "consumer" of the items and the people rotating them through service) with the system. Predictive algos to determine when items should be ready to go back to service. Upstream and downstream traffic with our other corporate systems, one of which is primary in determining which items are needed and one of which ultimately bills for actual item use. It wasn't dealing with tables in multiple restaurants, but I imagine the ultimate outcome of the system is somewhat similar. The biggest difference is that items are booked only a week in advance...not 90 or 180 days...and our items are bar-coded or RF-tagged. Oh, and the tier system isn't to be exclusionary, but rather inclusive, to make sure all possible "alternative" items are available to the "consumer", but those that have no need of "alternatives", based on the work the items will be used for, don't have to wade through them.

Anecdotally: The hardest (and longest) part of the implementation process for the above "tier system" addition? User training. Go figure.

And, FYI, my "boss" (on the technical end), at this point? He'd likely not involve himself directly in that kind of system design/detail work. At least he hasn't, so far. He's way too "big picture" on the food chain...so he'd have me in any meeting on this type of thing concerning "my" systems (or anything new he wanted to throw on my plate).

If I WAS in that position, and it DID happen to me? I'd feel just like every Jr. Programmer sitting in a cube in corporate America does when it happens to them. I'd curse his name and figure out a way to make it happen. Luckily, I'm not there anymore...either in terms of experience or in the way our company operates.

Anyway, I think I've "geeked up" the forum enough, at this point....suffice to say, I stand by my original point, with the clarifications and qualifications I've added.
 

Now why did you have to go and do that? Now we're going to get an even longer thread derail from Programmer McBitterton.

Ummmm....because it's the truth. :cool1: In fact, it's a pretty common happening in our offices: The "theoretically easy, lets see what we find when we get our hands a little dirtier" conversation. I'd say about 1/3 of the time, it's what launches a project.

Anyway, I super promise I'm done geeking up the thread. If he wants to comment,I'll leave it alone, next time. ;)
 
I'll file the following in the "just a random idea" folder, but...

Assuming that there is or will be a limitation on ADRs available for those booking with discount programs like TIW, AP, and DVC, do you think this could be used eventually to drive sales of the DDP? For the sake of discussion, I'm going to ignore Free Dining because I've always thought of that program as nothing more than a sales driver in what would otherwise be a very slow period.

For example, I've often used TIW, AP, and DVC discounts but I've never been interested in DDP because we do a substantial number of things off property and have always wanted the flexibility to dine off-property when doing those things. Given much of the information on this thread, I wonder if we may see an attempt at some point to limit the availability of dining reservations booked with a discount in favor of full retail and DDP guests with the objective of more heavily marketing the dining plan. After all, as many have pointed out, the objective of the DDP is not to offer a benefit to guests but rather to get guests to commit every waking moment while in Orlando to the Mouse while soaking up excess capacity and ending discount programs in the process. Free dining is actually an example of the latter since you could also increase sales in September by offering heavily discounted hotel rooms, but I suspect their revenue models suggest higher revenue and margins by offering a package with free transportation to and from WDW, full rack rate hotel rooms, and a free DDP.
 
We are DVC members with the TiW card and have trips planned for August and October. I had no problem making our August ADRs which included several signature restaurants. I honestly can't remember what they may have asked me about DVC membership or discount cards when I made the reservations. (We make our ADRs through the WDW-DINE number, not member services.) I'm hoping that someone who travels down in the next month hour so will report back soon about the TiW situation. I agree with the previous poster who said that they couldn't imagine having a TiW card declined, but I'd rest easier if I knew that I wasn't going to have a hassle for my August trip, or worse yet, have to cancel my ADRs because my TiW won't be accepted. I hope this thread stays alive to keep us all updated.
 
I'll file the following in the "just a random idea" folder, but...

Assuming that there is or will be a limitation on ADRs available for those booking with discount programs like TIW, AP, and DVC, do you think this could be used eventually to drive sales of the DDP? For the sake of discussion, I'm going to ignore Free Dining because I've always thought of that program as nothing more than a sales driver in what would otherwise be a very slow period.

For example, I've often used TIW, AP, and DVC discounts but I've never been interested in DDP because we do a substantial number of things off property and have always wanted the flexibility to dine off-property when doing those things. Given much of the information on this thread, I wonder if we may see an attempt at some point to limit the availability of dining reservations booked with a discount in favor of full retail and DDP guests with the objective of more heavily marketing the dining plan. After all, as many have pointed out, the objective of the DDP is not to offer a benefit to guests but rather to get guests to commit every waking moment while in Orlando to the Mouse while soaking up excess capacity and ending discount programs in the process. Free dining is actually an example of the latter since you could also increase sales in September by offering heavily discounted hotel rooms, but I suspect their revenue models suggest higher revenue and margins by offering a package with free transportation to and from WDW, full rack rate hotel rooms, and a free DDP.

In my opinion you've definitely got an idea there. I do think that Disney wants people on the DDP. While that makes perfect sense from a financial perspective for Disney if it means you'll eat all your meals onsite, I am confused about limiting tables for TIW card holders. The reason this confuses me is because I would imagine that as a TIW card holder, I net Disney more money than a guest on the DDP. DH and I typically eat 2 table service meals per day on our trips, so buying the TIW card was a no-brainer for us. I'd estimate that we spend around $110 per day of our trip on our meals, and that's AFTER the TIW discount has been applied. For both of us to be on the DDP, it would be $80 per day, which is substantially less than the $110 estimate we spend daily on average. I'm sure we're not the only TIW card holders that spend more than a DDP guest on food. After all, folks who don't wouldn't buy the TIW card in the first place. So to me it seems like Disney might be shortsighted to limit tables for TIW card holders.
 
Another perspective is that as a TiW card holder we are now booking signature restaurants that we wouldn't usually go to and ordering a bottle of wine instead of a glass. We are actually spending more money because of the discount.
 
This thread has roamed off topic, and is truly more suitable to our Restaurant Board. Please visit there to continue discussion on the ADR policies. Thank you.
 
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