This is due to reservations being made during busy seasons and then being canceled.
That's not being done by brokers. That's just owners. There are very few brokers who offer cancellation...
But every one of those changes is a case of "be careful what you wish for." They would negatively impact both renters AND the far greater number of owners simply looking to use their points.
Absolutely.
It is not uncommon at all to be shut out especially for the less expensive rooms.
Yep. Fellow owners want those rooms as badly as we do!
then, there's the issue of revenue paid to the broker for their services, which seems contradictory to the no profit thing as to selling points expressed by DVC.
What no profit thing?
Other than people becoming more savvy as to booking, I can think of no other factors in play
The advent of online booking.
If DVC rentals decreased would Disney room reservations increase? How many points were forfeited each year prior to rental brokers? How much money does Disney lose when DVC owners stay home instead of vacationing at Disney? Can Disney come up with their own program to allow owners to transfer points to Disney at a reduced rate if they did take steps to stop other renting?
Bill
Let it be noted that Bill is giving Disney ideas here.
People renting points via a broker are also generally not going to walk reservations, or wait list them. If
Exactly.
I'm not a DVC owner and never rented points. From my view as an outsider, it seems somewhat unfair to DVC members if they can't reserve a room when they want while a non-member can simply because they rent from an owner who books and then never uses the reservation. DVC members should have priority over non-members, IMHO.
As an owner (er, the associate who is the one in charge of the DVC account entirely and who is typing this from AKV on a SOLO trip without the owner), I don't care about that at all. It's all owners. The owner of the points I'm using is driving home from Seattle right now. Should I not get to use these points just b/c he's being Worker Bee?
And at what point does the priority stop? Are owners, who are swearing that THEY are going to be there, knocking out people who aren't owners up until checkin? That's not OK.
If the "member" gets priority, what happens when I want to make a honeymoon reservation for my son and his bride? Do they get "member" status or are they treated like a renter?
Your post came right after Crisi talking about giving her daughter a DVC honeymoon. If your son and Crisi's daughter get married, they'll get one heck of a sweet honeymoon DVC stay!
At the end of the day, the nonmember who is renting is not "reserving a room." The OWNER is reserving a room.
Exactly.
How about a $95 convince fee, a resort parking fee or some other fee for non-members. Disney added the $95 booking fee and didn't say a word, apparently that's legal.
Bill
Stop blowing holes in my ship! Er. Stop giving them more evil ideas.
key card the laundry room to your member card
Intriguing, but then they would just have to build another laundry room. Because it would seriously not be cool to not have laundry facilities for people without access to a membership card.
My point was anybody, including a member who owns at a different resort, can use a broker to garner the 11 month window if they are willing to pay a premium to purchase the points. in turn, not a stretch for them to then 'sell' their points to a broker or save them for an additional trip another time.
OK so you're talking about the SSR owner renting a reservation for one person, and renting a reservation for themselves. That got lost in there somewhere.
A friend who has recently bought resale @ SSR has told me she is doing exactly whatt i described for a trip next year. Broker she rented thru before buying in, indicates that they have great success rates. Said she read the strategy on another message board. I don't advocate it and sure wouldn't go thru the time and effort. was surprised to hear of it, but I also was when I first read the hint as to walking a reservation here.
Anyone could do this on their own, no broker needed.
What about guest certificates for non-member reservations? DVC could require those. If the member isn't on the reservation, you need a guest certificate. And then they must attend a required sales event. That would shut just about anything down. But as brokers compete for points from members, the price to rent goes up. It goes up too much and guests will just book moderate resorts and save money. Plus be able to cancel or change their reservation.
Hopefully you would include Associate as someone not required to have those things. Not that I know what a "guest certificate" is.
and it's way too loud to bring her to a game.
I knew where you lived before I even checked, based on that.
And good for you. It's loud enough just for the summer
amazon picnics. A few years back they had a kid's group (The Not-Its) playing at the 50 yard line and it was unbearably loud. A kid's band!
Not all brokers. There is at least one that allows the renter to purchase cancellation/change insurance and they try to change the reservation if they can.
So then the reservation is getting rebooked, which means the cancellation doesn't persist.
On the other hand I have noticed that we could often grab SSR even during busy time periods a few months out...perhaps it does all balance out in the end in some fashion.
Yep, exactly. We never even booked our home resort until I stayed there this last weekend for Princess; so those primo points at BL were being used for other resorts since '09 by us. It all balances out.
I have told our guide that we don't plan on adding on again because of the issue of booking studios where we want to stay after the 7 month window.
That's a fellow owner issue, though...
I too think the brokers are not what Disney intended with the renting privilege, and that should be shut off somehow.
Disney knows that businesses pop up to help people immediately.
Shutting it down would just cause points to go unused, really.
Couldn't Disney ask the guest to show their DVC membership at check in?
How does that work for me? I'm an Associate. No membership card. The owner's wife isn't alowed to use the points unless hubby is here?
Believe it or not, that's not actually why we bought DVC, to make it all all-members-of-the-family trips... It's our "home", our timeshare, and we bought it to use how we want to use it. DH works and can't always be here.
I understand this allowed in the contract. I won't buy DVC because it just seems easier to reserve a room when I want and not have to worry about the 11 month, 7 months, banking points, renting points, use year, walking reservations, etc. I know it works well for others based on what I read here.
Well, if you ever rent a DVC room through normal WDW routes, you've participated in DVC stuff.
The brokers just match an owner with a renter. Not unlike the disboards.
Exactly. So the Dis would likely have to stop. And then people would just have to find people IRL to use their points, which can't always be done, and then Disney would have a lot of unused points out there.
Huh. Wonder if that's what they want?
Under such a system, owners who made a lot of short-stay reservations would probably end up paying more than an owner who made just one reservation every year or every-other-year.
Didn't we buy a timeshare like this to use *how we want to use it*??? Let's take rundisney. Princess weekend, I booked a 3 night stay. I'm still thinking about coming out for another race or two this year; that would be another short stay or two. I would look like an evil renter to you, wouldn't I? But the owner's family is using those points.
Unless the broker is using his own points, the member would have to make the reservation in any case.
And of course that's still the owner.
