Rumor about “modified experiences” when Disney reopens (read 1st post for potential modifications being considered)

[mshanson3121]

In 2009 they had buy 4 get 3 free days free park tickets.

Oooh I really hope they bring that back for say, June 2021?

 

[DisLiss]

Oooh I really hope they bring that back for say, June 2021?

You & me, both, since June 2021 will be our new date once this year's trip is canceled.

 

[TheMaxRebo]

Seems crazy to be able to sign away employee and customer safety on mass.

I think it would be more of on top of doing reasonable precausions

Like it I go ziplining and sign a waiver it isn't instead of have required saftey harnesses and saftey checks and trained guides, etc it's more if something still goes wrong after taking all the required precautions.

Basically minimizing retroactive law suits for things that no one knew they didn't know

 

[yulilin3]

I think it would be more of on top of doing reasonable precausions

Like it I go ziplining and sign a waiver it isn't instead of have required saftey harnesses and saftey checks and trained guides, etc it's more if something still goes wrong after taking all the required precautions.

Basically minimizing retroactive law suits for things that no one knew they didn't know

exactly, currently you have to sign a waiver to do The Void at Disney Springs, NBA Experience at Disney Springs, when you rent any of the boats at the various marinas at WDW, when you rent a bike, a canoe. They could simply put a big warning sign at the entrance of the parks and cover themselves that way, the same as the warning signs for individual attractions, if someone with those conditions decides to ride and something happens, Disney is not liable

 

[Jroceagles]

You & me, both, since June 2021 will be our new date once this year's trip is canceled.

that sucks. when were you scheduled for?

 

[kiki02]

There is a big legal problem with waivers: the Supreme Court has ruled that no one can sign away their right to be free from negligence. So even if they signed a waiver, people can still claim Disney was negligent by not spacing people far enough apart, by not forcing people to wear masks, by running the buses, by opening the pools, by opening too soon- or any of a thousand other things. Waivers are largely useless. Companies have to be super careful when they are making decisions like this. And they are more protected- not fully protected, but more protected- if they follow industry standard. That’s one reason why all the theme parks are working together with the governor. If they come up with an “industry standard” for how all theme parks will handle this and if they follow that standard, they are far less likely to be found negligent.

There is still some merit to waivers. It's not fair that WDW would be responsible should we get sick as we knew the 'risks'

 

[goofystitch]

Masks are not for your safety, but the safety of those around you in case you have COVID19 and don’t know it. That’s why I think they may require CMs working indoors in crowded places to wear masks. If multiple cases could be traced back to a CM in a store or running an indoor ride it would look bad.

You can't protect those around you if you are touching your mask to adjust it all the time - I've seen this in the grocery store and it totally defeats the purpose. Use hand sanitizer and don't touch your face. That's how you protect others.

 

[Lewisc]

exactly, currently you have to sign a waiver to do The Void at Disney Springs, NBA Experience at Disney Springs, when you rent any of the boats at the various marinas at WDW, when you rent a bike, a canoe. They could simply put a big warning sign at the entrance of the parks and cover themselves that way, the same as the warning signs for individual attractions, if someone with those conditions decides to ride and something happens, Disney is not liable

There is still some merit to waivers. It's not fair that WDW would be responsible should we get sick as we knew the 'risks'

What happens if you get sick at at WDW then infect friends and relatives when you get home. Your friends and relatives haven't signed waivers. A law might offer Disney some protections.
What happens if Disney doesn't follow procedure? Hand sanitizer dispensers are empty. Mask rules, if established, aren't enforced. CM screening is lax.

Posters talk about proof. A CM who has contact with guests gets sick. Guests from different parts of the country get sick. Contact tracing suggests they were all in WDW 2 weeks ago. Eat in the same restaurant. Same waiter either served them or was at least on duty.

The issue isn't really liability. Disney's lawyers are probably good. The real issue. Disney can't be thought of as a place where guests go, get sick then infect friends and family members.

 

[bop28]

Removing masks to eat and drink in restaurants will be interesting. Restaurants with unmasked eaters, while people outside wear them. It's a conundrum

 

[cakebaker]

There is still some merit to waivers. It's not fair that WDW would be responsible should we get sick as we knew the 'risks'

All waivers do is protect Disney against a lawsuit that claimed they weren’t aware of the risks. It in no way protects Disney from not taking reasonable precautions and it doesn’t stop someone from filing a lawsuit and winning it if they don’t. They are still required to be diligent in their efforts. If they do anything, I see it as a blurb on tickets, resort receipts etc. I don’t see it as a separate form describing all the awful things that might happen to you while at WDW. That wouldn’t be very magical.

 

[teruterubouzu]

You can't protect those around you if you are touching your mask to adjust it all the time - I've seen this in the grocery store and it totally defeats the purpose. Use hand sanitizer and don't touch your face. That's how you protect others.

Removing masks to eat and drink in restaurants will be interesting. Restaurants with unmasked eaters, while people outside wear them. It's a conundrum

Unfortunately, washing your hands doesn't prevent you from breathing in a droplet when someone else coughs or sneezes. Is mask wearing going to make everything completely safe? No, but it reduces risk and that is important. It isn't an all or nothing thing.

 

[LSUmiss]

What happens if you get sick at at WDW then infect friends and relatives when you get home. Your friends and relatives haven't signed waivers. A law might offer Disney some protections.
What happens if Disney doesn't follow procedure? Hand sanitizer dispensers are empty. Mask rules, if established, aren't enforced. CM screening is lax.

Posters talk about proof. A CM who has contact with guests gets sick. Guests from different parts of the country get sick. Contact tracing suggests they were all in WDW 2 weeks ago. Eat in the same restaurant. Same waiter either served them or was at least on duty.

The issue isn't really liability. Disney's lawyers are probably good. The real issue. Disney can't be thought of as a place where guests go, get sick then infect friends and family members.

It would be hard to prove that’s where you got us from once you get home.

 

[Lewisc]

It would be hard to prove that’s where you got us from once you get home.

What burden of proof? Civil is preponderance of evidence.
Public opinion? Probably just likely.

How? Contact tracing. A number of new cases, different parts of the country. All were in WDW a couple of weeks ago. Maybe all had contact with a CM who was infected. Waiter. CM at an attraction. .... Infected CM infecting guests is probably one of the biggest potential issues. A lapse in disinfection resulting in guests being infected who where in a particular location at the same time is another issue.

 

[J-BOY]

I hadn't heard of the contract tracing before (this way) and nope! I'm not being tracked by Bluetooth. I'll gladly forgo Disney before I'll agree to that method.

Side note - it's the first mention I had seen of a possible vaccine by Sept? Not sure how I feel about that.

Just an FYI - you're already being tracked on Disney property with your MagicBand, if you wear one.

 

[WonderlandisReality]

Add me to the camp of Check in is now required. Screen grabs from yesterday and again today.

 

[Moliphino]

Hmm, I don't see that yet on my August 22 resort reservation yet. I always do online check in anyway, though.

 

[Jroceagles]

Hmm, I don't see that yet on my August 22 resort reservation yet. I always do online check in anyway, though.

same with Aug 31 check in...nothing yet

 

[UOAP]

All waivers do is protect Disney against a lawsuit that claimed they weren’t aware of the risks. It in no way protects Disney from not taking reasonable precautions and it doesn’t stop someone from filing a lawsuit and winning it if they don’t. They are still required to be diligent in their efforts. If they do anything, I see it as a blurb on tickets, resort receipts etc. I don’t see it as a separate form describing all the awful things that might happen to you while at WDW. That wouldn’t be very magical.

Also, I am not a lawyer but I read that liability waivers were not allowed for minor children in FL.

 

[Lewisc]

Contact tracing doesn't have to be complicated. Infected people fill out a survey listing where the went the last 2 weeks or so and who they had contact with. Too many newly infected people wen to WDW the last few weeks and Disney has, at best, a PR issue.

legislation might reduce or eliminate Disney's legal liability. That isn't the big issue.

 

[mshanson3121]

Just an FYI - you're already being tracked on Disney property with your MagicBand, if you wear one.

Within WDW is one thing. Around my country is a completely different matter.