Rumor about “modified experiences” when Disney reopens (read 1st post for potential modifications being considered)

[godisney14]

The tougher question is how Disney will enforce this rule - will managers be walking around telling people to put their masks on ? Will there be signage all over? ( that's probably a given)

I can see this constant scenario playing out - especially in the summer, where tempers tend to flare normally - someone not wearing a mask sneezes, and gets yelled at by any guest within a 10 foot radius -

Probably the same way that it will be enforced at every other business that will require customers to wear masks.

 

[yulilin3]

This would not affect my trip, because if we do decide to go in July, my kids WOULD be wearing masks - or , we.just won't go - I would never go against the mandate - but I would love to know how they are going to enforce this rule ?

There are adults and children that due to physical and/or mental situations, can not wear a mask - so, I guess the simple solution is that they don't go while masks are mandatory

The tougher question is how Disney will enforce this rule - will managers be walking around telling people to put their masks on ? Will there be signage all over? ( that's probably a given)

I can see this constant scenario playing out - especially in the summer, where tempers tend to flare normally - someone not wearing a mask sneezes, and gets yelled at by any guest within a 10 foot radius -

there's is no way of policing everyone that s in the park, no matter how many CM/security/managers they have walking around
The majority of people will comply, but, as everything in life, there will be those who don't. It's the risk you take in everyday life when stepping outside of your house, in every aspect. Someone runs a red light, someone is speeding, someone slams on the breaks hard,
Yesterday at Citywalk I was walking around and this lady was walking side by side (a a distance) but she had her mask covering only her mouth, no TM or managers were around to tell her to pull it back up
Personal decision of each person, do you approach and tell them to wear it correctly? do you walk further away and avoid her? do you evil stare through your perfectly masked face?
There was plenty of signage all around Citywalk by the way, but we know from first hand experience that no amounts of signs, arrows, warnings will change the way some people act. So take it upon yourself to stay as safe as possible

 

[rpb718]

In the heat of summer, I don't see mask enforcement outdoors. I can see it for indoors. However - it's a customer market now and no businesses want to enforce and alienate any customers.

What I was curious about was the union agreement that specified guest wearing masks. Why include guests? I would have thought a union agreement with Disney would only indicate employees wearing masks. Is it the union wanting guests wearing masks? And what would happen if the guests aren't wearing masks?

 

[wombat_5606]

In the heat of summer, I don't see mask enforcement outdoors. I can see it for indoors. However - it's a customer market now and no businesses want to enforce and alienate any customers.

What I was curious about was the union agreement that specified guest wearing masks. Why include guests? I would have thought a union agreement with Disney would only indicate employees wearing masks. Is it the union wanting guests wearing masks? And what would happen if the guests aren't wearing masks?

It is the mask-wearing guest that protects the employee.

The mask-wearing employee protects the guest.

 

[Eric Smith]

In the heat of summer, I don't see mask enforcement outdoors. I can see it for indoors. However - it's a customer market now and no businesses want to enforce and alienate any customers.

What I was curious about was the union agreement that specified guest wearing masks. Why include guests? I would have thought a union agreement with Disney would only indicate employees wearing masks. Is it the union wanting guests wearing masks? And what would happen if the guests aren't wearing masks?

It’s in the contract to protect the workers.

 

[DGsAtBLT]

Thought of you guys, someone posted on a Facebook group that word is Disney isn’t going to make toddlers wear face masks so they’re just going to lie about their age .

Then you won’t need a ticket either!

 

[JacknSally]

In the heat of summer, I don't see mask enforcement outdoors. I can see it for indoors. However - it's a customer market now and no businesses want to enforce and alienate any customers.

What I was curious about was the union agreement that specified guest wearing masks. Why include guests? I would have thought a union agreement with Disney would only indicate employees wearing masks. Is it the union wanting guests wearing masks? And what would happen if the guests aren't wearing masks?

Since the theory of the masks is that person A wears a mask to protect person B from person A - not to protect person A from person B - I imagine the union wanted this included to show that they and Disney were working for the safety of the cast members. Cast wear masks to protect guests from cast, guests wear masks to protect cast from guests.

 

[rpb718]

It is the mask-wearing guest that protects the employee.

The mask-wearing employee protects the guest.

I know that, but what happens (union-wise) when larger and larger percentages of guests won't wear masks?

 

[Letsoflyakite]

I know that, but what happens (union-wise) when larger and larger percentages of guests won't wear masks?

Disney shuts down, or Disney adjusts policy. Which will it be? We'll see.

 

[wombat_5606]

I know that, but what happens (union-wise) when larger and larger percentages of guests won't wear masks?

They may re-close the park.

If the union thinks too many of their members are getting sick and or dying(maybe there is even a percentage they will tolerate in their contract), they will shut the place down and I'm sure Disney will agree with the action.

I don't think Disney wants a huge outbreak, whether employees or guests. Technically, what happens will be up to the guest and how much they want to adhere to the requirements Disney put in place.

 

[DGsAtBLT]

I know that, but what happens (union-wise) when larger and larger percentages of guests won't wear masks?

If they wanted to, could CMs theoretically strike over lack of enforcement?

 

[Letsoflyakite]

In the end, the customers wallets will dictate policy. No customers, no business.

 

[JacknSally]

They may re-close the park.

If the union thinks too many of their members are getting sick and or dying (maybe there is even a percentage they will tolerate in their contract), they will shut the place down and I'm sure Disney will agree with the action.

If they wanted to, could CMs theoretically strike over lack of enforcement?

I had these thoughts, too. Also, would the Union have grounds to take legal action against Disney for violating the terms by not enforcing the guests-wearing-masks mandate? Especially if they argue it's unsafe working conditions for their CMs? At the very least, could fines or penalties be levied? Legitimate questions - I'm not familiar with union operations or what they can/can't do.

 

[wombat_5606]

I had these thoughts, too. Also, would the Union have grounds to take legal action against Disney for violating the terms by not enforcing the guests-wearing-masks mandate? Especially if they argue it's unsafe working conditions for their CMs? At the very least, could fines or penalties be levied? Legitimate questions - I'm not familiar with union operations or what they can/can't do.

I'm not sure, either. We may have to wait and see how it plays out. I can't imagine the union would stipulate to masks and not have some plan in place if the policy isn't followed. Otherwise, why make it an issue?

 

[Letsoflyakite]

If they wanted to, could CMs theoretically strike over lack of enforcement?

Union and company contracts are quite long and complicated. To answer a strike question you'd have to read all the chapters of it.

 

[TomServo27]

It's the risk you take in everyday life when stepping outside of your house, in every aspect.

“It's a dangerous business, Frodo, going out your door. You step onto the road, and if you don't keep your feet, there's no knowing where you might be swept off to.”

 

[rpb718]

Union and company contracts are quite long and complicated. To answer a strike question you'd have to read all the chapters of it.

For all we know it could somehow trigger getting hazard pay (in which case the CMs definitely would not enforce guest's mask usage).

 

[J-BOY]

In the end, the customers wallets will dictate policy. No customers, no business.

Same applies for employees. If there's an outbreak and even a portion feel unsafe or strike due to unsafe working conditions, Disney would have to intervene.

 

[wareagle57]

And I think that is fine .. in the short term, and I am sure some businesses can adjust. But it will get unsustainable for people and for businesses (because of the costs involved) after a while as things inevitably get busier.


To be socially distant on those rafts, they would have to carry about maybe 4 people?

You’re right. I didn’t even think of that. Though families don’t need to distance and if running at reduced capacity already I don’t think it would be a problem getting people over there. I rarely ever have had to wait. It’s less than a minutes across the River and they have 2 boats. But I see your point and since it doesn’t make money I’ll prepare myself for the possibility I won’t be able to do this.

 

[Letsoflyakite]

Same applies for employees. If there's an outbreak and even a portion feel unsafe or strike due to unsafe working conditions, Disney would have to intervene.

So, this may apply or not to this discussion, but I work for a company that is in the same boat. Not entertainment though. The procedure, if employees feels unsafe via a Covid complaint, its investigated by the company and a third party like OSHA, then a determination is made on its validity and other parameters. So, I really doubt a strike would happen, but you never know in these times.