roomate help

again, what is a share of the damages? 50% each? What if the damage is solely in your personal space, still 50% each? What if the damage is caused by the Pet in your personal space ---

What if it is the second week of the month and your the one who is supposed to take the garbage out. You don't, and your roommate's pet eats the Tuna Can, goes into your personal space, and ruins the carpet by crapping tuna all over the room? Who pays then?

How are you going to prove that the pet was responsible for the damage? Are you going to hire a Certified Pet Damage Appraiser?

What if your roommate tells you she no longer wants HBO refuses to pay that portion of the bill and you can't make the payment on time. Who is going to be responsible for the late charges then? What if she tells you that she has gotten her own cell phone and will no longer be using the house phone so you can either pay for the whole bill yourself or cancel it? Are you going to try and force that in court?

In short, these types of squabbles are pretty hard to settle in court because it all comes down to "well she said/well she said...blah blah blah."

If you truly think this is the kind of person that you are going to end up having to sue in order to get your money --- RUN!!!!
 
if your potential roommate's mom is already causing problems i think it's a red flag to back out now.

one thing i would suggest is looking into the classifieds and seeing if someone is offering a room for rent in a home. then you have your own space, at less rent than an apartment (and ususaly including utilities without you having to put your name on them)-and you can see what it's like living under someone elses (non parental) rules and expectations as a roommate which may help you in future rental situations where your name is going to be on utility bills and other items that bind you to someone else's actions.

honestly, if someone has a habit of lateness in financial matters-having them sign an agreement to be timely in paying bills with you is not going to change/hold them to it. generaly, the bills they are already late in handleing required them to sign something saying they would pay timely (so if they've proven themselves unreliable on that agreement what makes you think they would take yours any more seriously?).

and just as an fyi on utilities-if your potential roommate 'flakes' and does'nt pay her portion such that you can pay the bill-you may find that no matter where you go you can't get any utilites in your name until that bill is settled (most utilities require a ssn to establish-and if you move to another area with a different company they can refer to other utiltiy company records which report arrerages).
 
I have no suggestions other than what has been already said (and ignored), but if you are going to follow through with this contract and want it to be taken seriously, spellcheck it. I think a judge would laugh all the way back to his/her chambers regardless but having many, many spelling errors won't help your case either way.
 

I have no suggestions other than what has been already said (and ignored), but if you are going to follow through with this contract and want it to be taken seriously, spellcheck it. I think a judge would laugh all the way back to his/her chambers regardless but having many, many spelling errors won't help your case either way.

UMM I did run spell check sorry
 
Her profile says she is 22, plenty old enough to sign a lease.

And old enough to know that spellcheck won't catch more subtle errors like there/their.

You have a ton of spelling errors in the contract. That's not good.
 
I've had so many room-mates over the years and I can tell you that this is going to end horribly. If you want to keep your best friend, don't move in together!!

I agree with the other posters who suggested the classifieds or Craig's List to find a room to rent. You already know that there are potential issues, writing rules on a piece of paper isn't going to make those issues go away!

But if you are going to soldier on and ignore the advice of people who have some more life experience, please have someone else proofread your contract! Two things jumped right out at me, you wrote "keep tract of" instead of "track of" and "financial oblations" instead of "obligations".
Here you say "Roommate one will be responsible for washing the dishes and see to them being put away." But later you write "Roommate two will do all the dishes and putting away of clean dishes."

Best of luck to you.
 
what am i missing?


Roommate Contract
We have signed a lease/rental agreement for _____on this________ of ________ of 2007. We hope to make certain that all roommates will share all responsibilities of renting equally. Therefore we have prepared and are signing this document.
Roommates:
The Roommates sharing the address above are:

From this point on:
_______________ will be referred to as roommate one.
________________ will be referred to as roommate two.

Terms:
This agreement shall remain in effect till the end of the lease with the landlord.
If for any reason a roommate would move out before the date shown, under the lease agreement, the departing roommate will be held responsible until a replacement is found. If a substitute roommate is found, the remaining roommate(s) must approve him/her. The departing roommate should notify the landlord as well as the other roommates within 30 days so that proper arrangements can be made for legal vacating of the rented property. The roommate who is leaving is still obligated to the landlord by the terms of the lease.
Deposit:
Roommate 1 has paid________ for the security deposit. Roommate 2 has paid ______for the security deposit. Roommate two has also paid __________ for a pet deposit. Each roommate will receive her portion from the landlord at the end of tenancy. Each roommate is responsible for their share of the charges associated with damages unless it can be proven that the damages have been caused by the pets.
Rent:
Each roommate shall pay the following amount of rent:
Roommate 1:
Roommate 2:
The rent shall be paid by the correct due date of each month. If one roommate is late on the rent, they will be solely responsible for paying any late fee the landlord imposes.
The fallowing items are considerd to be basic rights of each roomate:
The right to read and study free from noise and distractions.
The right to sleep without undue disturbance from noise.
The right to personal space.
The right to a clean environment.
The right to free access to the main areas of the house including: the bathroom,the living room, and the kitchen.
The right to privacy.
The right to have guests as long as they fallow the set rules.
The right to confront the situation in a CALM rational manner.
Pets:
If pets are permitted under the lease, each pet owner shall be responsible for all damages caused by her pet. This includes damage to furniture, carpeting, doors, lawn and garden. The pet owner will be responsible for all upkeep and care of said pets.
The fallowing pets are agreed to be in the house:



Household Supplies:
The supplies include such things as paper towels, toilet paper, soap, cleaning supplies, dish detergent, foil, plastic trash bags, and any other goods needed for the home which will be shared by ALL roommates. Feminine products, deodorant, shampoo, toothpaste, conditioner and other personal consumables will be paid for by the roommate that is using said product. These products will not be used by other roommates or guests without prior permission.

Kitchen Use and Clean-Up
All roommates shall share food expenses evenly. Preparation of meals shall occur by whoever has time. Clean- up shall be by the person using the items. Dishes shall be put in the dishwasher or sink. Roommate one will be responsible for washing the dishes and see to them being put away.

Utilities:
Each roommate has the responsibility of paying half of the total utility bills. This should be done in a timely manner so the bill may be paid before the due date. Roommate two will determine the amount owed by each roommate, collect the amount, and pay the payment before the due date. Roommate two will give the other roommates at least four days notice of how much they owe before the bill is due. Roommate 2 will be responsible for seeing that the bill is either taken to or sent to the proper place before the due date. If the bill is late because said roommate forgets or otherwise, said roommate is responsible for any late fees. If the bill is late because the other roommates turned in there money late, they will pay the fees as enforced by the utility company.
Each roommate has the responsibility of paying half of the total Time Warner Cable Service Bill. This should be done in a timely manner so the bill may be paid before the due date. Roommate one will determine the amount owed by each roommate, collect the amount, and pay the payment before the due date. Roommate one will give the other roommates at least four days notice of how much they owe before the bill is due. Roommate 1 will be responsible for seeing that the bill is either taken to or sent to the proper place before the due date. If the bill is late because said roommate forgets or otherwise, said roommate is responsible for any late fees. If the bill is late because the other roommates turned in there money late, they will pay the fees as enforced by the utility company.
Other Areas of Agreement :
Roommate one will do all laundry and laundry related chores. Roommate two will do all the dishes and putting away of clean dishes.


Personal Property:
All roommates agree to refrain from borrowing roommate’s personal goods, without prior approval. Exceptions to this should be clearly stated, with the roommate’s reserving the right to change their minds about the sharing of items. If damage is done to personal property, the roommate responsible for the damage will be held liable.
Anything in a roommates room will be considered personal property and is NOT to be borrowed without prior permission. This also applies to cd’s, dvds and movies.

Use of stereos and CD’s Electrical Equipment Use:
The electronic equipment in the living room will be free to be used by all roommates. Care is expected to be taken to protect this equipment from breaking. If broken, roommates will discuss what to do in regards to repair or replacement. Cd’s will be the property of there owner. If they are in the living room any roommate may use them. Use of these cd’s will be with the express understanding that when an item is to be put back in its case when the roommate is done using it. The roommate will also be responsible for putting it back where it was found. These same rules will apply to movies and dvds. Each roommate will be responsible for keeping track of what items are theirs and what is missing. If an item is missing, the roommates will sit and discuss this and come to a solution.

Cleaning and Yard Work:
Roommate one will clean the bathroom, and kitchen. Roommate two will clean the living room and vacuum. These chores will switch monthly.
Garbage will be a shared responsibility. Roommate one will take the garbage out
the first and third weeks of the month. Roommate two will take the garbage out the second and fourth weeks of the month.
All other chores will be discussed and divided.
Additional terms and agreements:
Use of tobacco, alcohol and drugs
Smoking will not be permitted in the premises. Guests who smoke will be asked to do so outside as to the fact that the smell lingers in all fabrics.
Illegal drug use will be ground for termination of this agreement. This will also be grounds for other roommates to ask the user to please leave. This will not terminate the lease with the landlord.
Alcohol will be allowed as long as all parties drinking are of age and not drunk.
Keys
Each party will be allowed to give a key to their mother for emergencies.
Phone Calls
The ability to make and receive phone calls is very important. To avoid problems with the use of the phone, the following is agreed upon:
Phone calls will be limited to 20 minutes when another roommate is waiting for the phone.

Messages will be taken with the best care possible. The roommate taking the message should take care to capture all details and take down all numbers. The said roommate should post these messages in the fallowing location:
__________________________________________________
Quiet hours for studying and sleeping
Quiet hours will be observed from ________pm to ___________am. Duren this time TV volume must be on low. Music must be listened to with headphones and talking must be done quietly. Phone calls coming in during this time period should be emergency or very important calls only.
Behavior of guests
Non-paying visitors/guests may not be in the house when the bill paying roommate is gone unless it’s a family member or close friend that both roommates know. If this clause is broken the roommate who let the guest in will be responsible for stolen property.
Guest are expected to behave within the rules and with good taste. Any damage they cause will be there sole responsibility. Each roommate shall not have more guests over at one time than they can handle and keep tract of.
Overnight guests
Guests will be allowed at reasonable times. Overnight guests and parties will be allowed as long as both parties have notice. The roommate who invited the guest will be responsible for their behavior and actions. The roommate who invited the guest will also be responsible for cleaning up after that guest. Guests will be responsible for any damage they cause.
Conflict resolution:
In the case of a conflict, each party will talk about the matter in a calm, rational fashion. If this can’t be achieved at the time, each party will go to there bedrooms to cool down. After the calming down period, the matter will be discussed. If the situation is extreme or causing fear to either roommate one roommate will leave. If asked to leave the roommate is welcomed to come back once the situation has defused. No roommate will be denied the right to be in the apartment for more than a half hour. This will only happen in extreme circumstances.
Compliance with unit rules
All rules set forth in this contract shall be strictly fallowed. Additions to this agreement will be added on the bottom and ONLY become part of the agreement only if both parties sign and date it. Breaking these rules multiple times will lead to you being asked to leave. Multiple times will be considered more than 10 times. Warnings will be given. You will still be responsible for all of your financial oblations as per this contract.

OP, what prompted you to think of this contract? Have you had bad room-mates in the past?
If I were you, I would look to rent a room alone...maybe someplace where someone rents an extra room out of their home. Then you could meet your Best Friend at a coffee shop everyday and not live in the same house.
This contract seems like a disaster waiting to happen.:eek:
 
OP Why are you so dead set in moving in with this girl? You seem fairly young so I assume this is your first roommate situation. The best advice anyone can give you is not to move in with your best friend. Yes roommate contracts are a good idea but the contract you have is going way too far. You are already worried about your friend not paying the bills and maybe ending up in court so why are you putting yourself in a situation for that to happen?

You are getting tons of good advice from people who probably once were in your situation why are you ignoring everything everyone else is telling you? If you do choose to move in with this girl six months down the line we won't say told you so because we are a nice bunch but yeah that's where this is headed.
 
OP Why are you so dead set in moving in with this girl? You seem fairly young so I assume this is your first roommate situation. The best advice anyone can give you is not to move in with your best friend. Yes roommate contracts are a good idea but the contract you have is going way too far. You are already worried about your friend not paying the bills and maybe ending up in court so why are you putting yourself in a situation for that to happen?

You are getting tons of good advice from people who probably once were in your situation why are you ignoring everything everyone else is telling you? If you do choose to move in with this girl six months down the line we won't say told you so because we are a nice bunch but yeah that's where this is headed.

Im not worried that is where its gonna end up, IM being overly catious and prepaired. Sorry thats who i am
 
I don't understand either...if I was that worried about someone, I would certainly not move in with them! Best friend or not! I never would have moved in with my best friend because she is a total slob and I was/am a neat freak. Just because you are best friends doesn't mean you have to pick her as a roommate!
 
There are 4 of us girls that were bedt friends all through high school and through college. After graduation 2 of them moved in together and BARELY made it through the lease.... now it's a pain to get together :rolleyes:
 
I would have been kicked out of my house when I had pnuemonia according to that contract. I interfered with my roommate's right to quiet. I also didn't do my fair share of cleaning. Fortunately, they made me soup instead.

While I think it's smart to talk about how you are going to share bills and divide household responsibilities, the basic necessity of being a roommate is "getting along". This contract leaves no room for that IMO.


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Sorry - this struck me as funny!!

What does happen if one of you gets sick or injured? What happens if you take a vacation? "Sorry, I can only go to WDW for 3 days because my lease says so!" :rotfl:

Also, Do you realize that your contract contradicts itself? Who gets to do the dishes - roomate 1 or roomate 2 or does the dog do them?:dog:

There are way too many grammatical errors!! :headache:

This arrangement won't work. I hope you are prepared to no longer have a best friend! :sad2:

Maybe leading to an OT subject - This "contract" sounds like a school project, rather than a legit thing. When I was a freshman or sophmore in highschool, one of our projects was to plan a wedding & married life. We had to plan the wedding down to the very last cent. We had to "find an apartment" & show how we would budget our new household.. we had to create a "lease" & find jobs...
This was done by calling / visiting etc actual priest & reception halls, florists, jewelers for the rings & bakers, etc & using friends & family for help.. Are we helping with a school project because there really seems no way to change your mind....:teacher:
 
nO your not, but im not gonna bother with the contract so dont worry and I wont move in with her even though I would be fine, Im now moving to the bad part of town in a crappy aparment.
 
Well, if that is the case and you are not moving in with her, that is probably the best advice you ever took (albeit reluctantly), IMO.
 
nO your not, but im not gonna bother with the contract so dont worry and I wont move in with her even though I would be fine, Im now moving to the bad part of town in a crappy aparment.

If you really would have been fine, you wouldn't have needed advice and that ludicrous contract!

Why don't you try to find another roommate? Someone else suggested Craigslist... there's a good start. Are you in college (you did mention study time)? How about putting up some signs?
 


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