ROFR Thread April to June 2021 *PLEASE SEE FIRST POST FOR INSTRUCTIONS & FORMATTING TOOL*

[Sunnyore]

BTW, DVD just raised the minimum points for a blue card to 150 as of June 3. Wonder if this will cool the market for direct purchases and push people more towards resale.....upping the prices even more with lowered inventory.

My issue is it’s pushing resale prices up too. There is a BLT 50 points I want posted today but at $205 I rather buy direct for unrestricted point. I hate those “only full offer accepted” contracts, and yet they sell pretty fast anyway.

 

[Katie2]

Katie2---$116-$20,880-180-AKL-March-0/20, 0/21, 140/22- sent 6/5

 

[Paul Stupin]

I want to believe that Disney’s goal is to crush the resale market and sell more direct, but with current policies (resale restrictions on new properties, direct price hikes, and continue raising of blue card minimums) it really seems to be having the opposite effect.

Disney wouldn’t have instituted the new policies if they couldn’t get away with them and increase profits. Direct price increases tend to raise resale prices as well.

That said, I think the main driver for the current higher resale prices is limited availability.

 

[DonMacGregor]

Here’s hoping you’ll get good news tomorrow!

No news today...

 

[MAKP2]

My issue is it’s pushing resale prices up too. There is a BLT 50 points I want posted today but at $205 I rather buy direct for unrestricted point. I hate those “only full offer accepted” contracts, and yet they sell pretty fast anyway.

I saw that too. My timing was right. Passed ROFR yesterday for only $158.50 for 50 points .

 

[ForWhomTheMouseTolls]

Within six months, riviera will set a record.

 

[pangyal]

Updated! Happy June everyone ☀

 

[ICEMAN3205]

Katie2---$116-$20,880-180-AKL-March-0/20, 0/21, 140/22- sent 6/5

Very Nice. That was the contract that I gave back.

 

[MAKP2]

Proud BLT and SSR owner

 

[dfan_welcomehomeall_19]

My issue is it’s pushing resale prices up too. There is a BLT 50 points I want posted today but at $205 I rather buy direct for unrestricted point. I hate those “only full offer accepted” contracts, and yet they sell pretty fast anyway.

I’m with you! I made an offer on a 50 BLT asking was $198 and I recieved a response that oh sorry we didn’t list as only full offer accepted but that’s all the seller will consider.

Pricing is truly fascinating right now. I bought my first contract direct to get a blue card then subsequently added via resale. One was a small Saratoga 25 pt contractlast yr at $105 per point. When I called about the BLT contract I inquired about what the SSR was worth in the event I did find a BLT I’m looking for and could potentially sell the SSR.. They said $163 a point...that’s just insane!! I know Disney just increased direct add on to $180. If I were a buyer (that bought direct and could add on) I think I’d really have to consider just adding direct vs resale.

I inquired about an OKW 25 point contract on another site (non-extended) seller wanted $150 and got it.. that’s only $15 less than direct PP and if bought direct would get the 15 year deed ext.

Another contract I was interested in was a small VGF listed at $223 I made an offer on that but was sold at FP. That’s only $22 less than direct.

I think low inventory, everything reopening and pent up demand are obv driving these prices upward. The thing I’m monitoring is the the gap bw direct and resale. Resale was almost ALWAYS the more attractive option due to the cost savings. I LOVE and will continue to buy resale (when I find the right value) but I am a little concerned with the narrowing gap between the direct and resale. I’m sure increased resale values will eventually push Disney to increase direct (maybe case with SSR) but in the interim resale may not always be the best option depending on contract.

 

[Chia1974]

I’m with you! I made an offer on a 50 BLT asking was $198 and I recieved a response that oh sorry we didn’t list as only full offer accepted but that’s all the seller will consider.

Pricing is truly fascinating right now. I bought my first contract direct to get a blue card then subsequently added via resale. One was a small Saratoga 25 pt contractlast yr at $105 per point. When I called about the BLT contract I inquired about what the SSR was worth in the event I did find a BLT I’m looking for and could potentially sell the SSR.. They said $163 a point...that’s just insane!! I know Disney just increased direct add on to $180. If I were a buyer (that bought direct and could add on) I think I’d really have to consider just adding direct vs resale.

I inquired about an OKW 25 point contract on another site (non-extended) seller wanted $150 and got it.. that’s only $15 less than direct PP and if bought direct would get the 15 year deed ext.

Another contract I was interested in was a small VGF listed at $223 I made an offer on that but was sold at FP. That’s only $22 less than direct.

I think low inventory, everything reopening and pent up demand are obv driving these prices upward. The thing I’m monitoring is the the gap bw direct and resale. Resale was almost ALWAYS the more attractive option due to the cost savings. I LOVE and will continue to buy resale (when I find the right value) but I am a little concerned with the narrowing gap between the direct and resale. I’m sure increased resale values will eventually push Disney to increase direct (maybe case with SSR) but in the interim resale may not always be the best option depending on contract.

I’m on the waitlist for direct VGF 35 point contract. At $250 direct price using Disney rewards visa 2% back, that’s $245 now and unrestricted. Not all small resale contracts are with such small gap as I just had a 60 point CCV under contract at $163.

 

[dfan_welcomehomeall_19]

I’m on the waitlist for direct VGF 35 point contract. At $250 direct price using Disney rewards visa 2% back, that’s $245 now and unrestricted. Not all small resale contracts are with such small gap as I just had a 60 point CCV under contract at $163.

Two good points you make! I forget about the added benefit with chase and direct. I got a promo that bw now and 8/15 all “travel” (incl DVC) the % back was increased to 5%. I don’t know if that’s a targeted offer or something everyone gets but def worth exploring! I may end up going the same route at VGF exprecially with the expansion slated for next year there. CCV is my direct contract. $163 is a good deal there for sure as direct now $225! Agreed not all resale vs direct have such a small gap and there are still good deals out there via resale depending on home resort and broker (some brokers notoriously higher than others) etc. I just noticed less opportunities for savings (lower resale inventory and higher resale prices). Especially on small contracts (under 50 pts) always is a patience game but now it’s really really a patience/opportunity game.

 

[EatMoreVeg]

I picked up a small 25 pt VGF contract at $165, fully loaded in November with full intention to add on whenever the next well-priced contract popped up, which doesn’t look like it’ll be happening anytime soon. And with that small of a contract and the point charts at VGF, it’s really tough to do too much with it on its own.

I’m sorely tempted to sell it for today’s prices and jump on VGF2 whenever it happens. But I’m international which sounds like a bit of a hassle to work through and would definitely eat into any profits. So I’m just trying to wear my patience pants and hope that VGF2 will be a good opportunity! It may be the only thing that could convince me to buy direct.

 

[Paul Stupin]

I’m with you! I made an offer on a 50 BLT asking was $198 and I recieved a response that oh sorry we didn’t list as only full offer accepted but that’s all the seller will consider.

Pricing is truly fascinating right now. I bought my first contract direct to get a blue card then subsequently added via resale. One was a small Saratoga 25 pt contractlast yr at $105 per point. When I called about the BLT contract I inquired about what the SSR was worth in the event I did find a BLT I’m looking for and could potentially sell the SSR.. They said $163 a point...that’s just insane!! I know Disney just increased direct add on to $180. If I were a buyer (that bought direct and could add on) I think I’d really have to consider just adding direct vs resale.

I inquired about an OKW 25 point contract on another site (non-extended) seller wanted $150 and got it.. that’s only $15 less than direct PP and if bought direct would get the 15 year deed ext.

Another contract I was interested in was a small VGF listed at $223 I made an offer on that but was sold at FP. That’s only $22 less than direct.

I think low inventory, everything reopening and pent up demand are obv driving these prices upward. The thing I’m monitoring is the the gap bw direct and resale. Resale was almost ALWAYS the more attractive option due to the cost savings. I LOVE and will continue to buy resale (when I find the right value) but I am a little concerned with the narrowing gap between the direct and resale. I’m sure increased resale values will eventually push Disney to increase direct (maybe case with SSR) but in the interim resale may not always be the best option depending on contract.

Considering the limited availability and current pricing of VGF, I’m just going to bite the bullet and buy direct when VGF2 sales start. Also, the drawn out resale process, the unreliable sellers, the somewhat time consuming effort to find the perfect contract and then the pressure to act fast when you do, is getting more and more tiresome.

Also, with things picking up at WDW, and the probable success of VGF2, I wouldn’t be surprised if Disney announces construction on some monumentally cool new resort in a year or two, a resort where I can use my direct points, along with the new Disneyland Tower. With the gap between resale and direct narrowing, the added value, availability, and convenience of direct points for me is worth paying more.

So if there is indeed a DVC strategy to combat resale, at least for me, it’s working!

 

[MICKIMINI]

October supposed to be the least popular UY.

OCT is very popular...it is just a very small "slice" of the DVC pie! We are mostly OCT and it's great for F & W travel, but don't tell anyone as we don't need more competition for those contracts LOL!

 

[Chia1974]

OCT is very popular...it is just a very small "slice" of the DVC pie! We are mostly OCT and it's great for F & W travel, but don't tell anyone as we don't need more competition for those contracts LOL!

I could not agree more! September would be my next choice. We do not like summer/hurricane season June to October.

 

[Katie2]

Katie2---$116-$20,880-180-AKL-March-0/20, 0/21, 140/22- sent 6/5 — cancelled

 

[Ginamarie]

My issue is it’s pushing resale prices up too. There is a BLT 50 points I want posted today but at $205 I rather buy direct for unrestricted point. I hate those “only full offer accepted” contracts, and yet they sell pretty fast anyway.

I dont think upping the points for the blue card have increased the prices on the resale market. That's happening because of low supply/high demand, and probably effected by DVC increasing their own pricing on sold-out resorts.

Honestly, for small contracts, I would buy direct instead of resale, since they points are unrestricted and I'm not stuck waiting around on ROFR. The resale pricing on those small contracts is getting closer and closer to direct pricing, such that it's not a bargain anymore. That's also the resale market pricing themselves out though, and if someone is willing to pay the high price, more power to them, but I think we're getting to a point where the supply/demand is starting to level off and people may start looking for better pricing again. For instance, DVCResaleMarket is now listing more contracts per day than are going under contract. Good sign for resale purchasers!

 

[Ginamarie]

I’m with you! I made an offer on a 50 BLT asking was $198 and I recieved a response that oh sorry we didn’t list as only full offer accepted but that’s all the seller will consider.

Pricing is truly fascinating right now. I bought my first contract direct to get a blue card then subsequently added via resale. One was a small Saratoga 25 pt contractlast yr at $105 per point. When I called about the BLT contract I inquired about what the SSR was worth in the event I did find a BLT I’m looking for and could potentially sell the SSR.. They said $163 a point...that’s just insane!! I know Disney just increased direct add on to $180. If I were a buyer (that bought direct and could add on) I think I’d really have to consider just adding direct vs resale.

I inquired about an OKW 25 point contract on another site (non-extended) seller wanted $150 and got it.. that’s only $15 less than direct PP and if bought direct would get the 15 year deed ext.

Another contract I was interested in was a small VGF listed at $223 I made an offer on that but was sold at FP. That’s only $22 less than direct.

I think low inventory, everything reopening and pent up demand are obv driving these prices upward. The thing I’m monitoring is the the gap bw direct and resale. Resale was almost ALWAYS the more attractive option due to the cost savings. I LOVE and will continue to buy resale (when I find the right value) but I am a little concerned with the narrowing gap between the direct and resale. I’m sure increased resale values will eventually push Disney to increase direct (maybe case with SSR) but in the interim resale may not always be the best option depending on contract.

My advice= always keep bidding what you're comfortable paying. As the supply increases again, contracts will sit and need to start thinking about making their pricing more reasonable. The OKW situation is insane. I would never pay $150 for 2042 expiration points there on a small contract. $163 on SSR- no thanks. I bought my AKV points on the resale market 6 months ago and only paid $106... when the direct pricing was $180. That's a good deal, and I'd do it again!

 

[Ginamarie]

Katie2---$116-$20,880-180-AKL-March-0/20, 0/21, 140/22- sent 6/5 — cancelled

Is something going on with this contract? This is the second time it was cancelled!