ROFR Thread April - June 2017 *PLEASE SEE FIRST POST FOR INSTRUCTIONS & FORMATTING TOOL*

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Has the GF been open THAT long??? Damn, I'm old. I still think of it as a "new" resort!! :earseek:

Tell me about it. Until the beginning of March this year, the last time I made it to Disney I still was getting my hand stamped. My god, the amount of people they let in MK these days is terrifying... and that wasn't even peak!
 
Haha. I have a friend that couldn't remember when we were going on our week-long family trip this last January, so she always jokes that I am living there all the time. I wish those points would go farther, but sadly I still won't have close to enough for a solid week at VGF in peak season. Insane fact, I know. It'll be enough for us though, and we can take off one day and just go for 6 nights. Also, I don't know that I can mentally handle the crowds during the super busy times anymore. Also, maybe we will be able to stay in a grand villa for like one night with that amount of points [sarcasm]. ;)




Thanks for the well wishes. Happy to answer your question as I am sure people think we are crazy and being impulsive. ;) Quite the contrary, as we have thought this thing out a lot. We want stay in 2-bedroom villas a VGF for a week once a year especially while the kids are still young. That costs 340 points in a standard 2-bedroom in low season and 632 points in high season at VGF. Yes, we could stay in a smaller unit, but that is not our preference. Our 200 VGF points were being chewed through very quickly. We wanted to add more points, but we thought it made more sense to split between the two resorts because BLT is cheaper but is also an MK resort. Also we follow the whole "don't put all your eggs in one basket" theory. Since we are in our mid-thirties, adding on at an Epcot resort, while they are really nice, doesn't make sense for us because of the shorter contract term. We now have enough to go during low season for a week, but my oldest is starting kindergarten in the fall, so traveling during non-school holidays will be a thing of the past very quickly. We will have to line up our vacations more with the school calendar now. Also, should there be years when we cannot go to Disney, we can easily rent out our points to either of those two resorts. Some command higher rental values than others, so we wanted to stick with 2 that would allow rentals relatively easily at a higher price point. If we use a broker instead of doing it ourselves, it should be a snap. If I rent them out myself, it will be more work, but it is doable and more money. Renting out our points isn't really the goal (and I don't even know that we would do it at all instead of using the points), but it is certainly a factor that many of us take into consideration when deciding to buy DVC because it limits the downside when you purchase should you have some years when you cannot go to Disney. A lot of people rent out their points to pay for the cruises because those are so darn expensive. I'm guessing that is why Disney hasn't shut down the rental market because that would make purchasing DVC much less attractive to potential buyers. Also, the resale market is very active for both of those resorts should we ever find ourselves needing to scale down in ownership because we don't go as often or we just want to cut expenses. With my background, I always have an emergency exit plan for worst case scenario! I can't help it. :\
 

My MIL bought DVC in 1994 for the family to use. My youngest was 3 at the time and while we had some years where life with the kids kept us from WDW vacations as often as we like, we're now visiting 4 times a year from CT and found the need to add on more points! You may find the addonitis bug bites again in later years! Good luck with the latest ROFR!
 
We found out today that we passed ROFR! We are so excited to call OKW our 2nd Disney home!

Word to the wise for those looking to buy resale, do not let brokers/companies pressure you to bid higher in fear of ROFR! Do your research and stick to your guns and budget. We were pressured man times to bid higher, but we knew from Disboards where people won some great deals. Our first was taken, but our second came through
 
We found out today that we passed ROFR! We are so excited to call OKW our 2nd Disney home!

Word to the wise for those looking to buy resale, do not let brokers/companies pressure you to bid higher in fear of ROFR! Do your research and stick to your guns and budget. We were pressured man times to bid higher, but we knew from Disboards where people won some great deals. Our first was taken, but our second came through

Congratulations! Can you share details on Price PP? I don't see you on the main page...
 
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Tell me about it. Until the beginning of March this year, the last time I made it to Disney I still was getting my hand stamped. My god, the amount of people they let in MK these days is terrifying... and that wasn't even peak!

I used to love those "invisible" hand stamps! And the A-E ticket books. We always had a hard time using up the B and C tickets, though.

Closing docs came today, 20 days after ROFR - so anyone hoping to buy VGF, BWV and BCV via resale is safe from me. Now to make the business case to DH for a 25-point direct add on in the near future....
 
Really wish they still had the stamps for our kids still! My parents found a park hopper pass I have with one day left on it that says it's a lifetime ticket. I asked at guest services if they said they would honor them still and they said absolutely, just bring it to the gate. Still has my 12 year old mug on it.

As for the 25 points, it all depends on how frequently you plan on going. We plan to only go every other year or possibly even every three because flight, park tickets, and food is serious money on its own. So I looked at the annual gold passes in comparison to discounted park tickets and if you go back to two years in a row on one annual pass, the savings essentially pays off the 25 direct points in roughly 2.5 visits. I'd have to look at the numbers again to get more accurate. So, we're planning to go two years in a row and then take two years off. Same number of trips as going every other year, but without the ticket costs getting silly. Without benefiting from the annual passes, direct points don't really pan out financially.
 
Really wish they still had the stamps for our kids still! My parents found a park hopper pass I have with one day left on it that says it's a lifetime ticket. I asked at guest services if they said they would honor them still and they said absolutely, just bring it to the gate. Still has my 12 year old mug on it.

As for the 25 points, it all depends on how frequently you plan on going. We plan to only go every other year or possibly even every three because flight, park tickets, and food is serious money on its own. So I looked at the annual gold passes in comparison to discounted park tickets and if you go back to two years in a row on one annual pass, the savings essentially pays off the 25 direct points in roughly 2.5 visits. I'd have to look at the numbers again to get more accurate. So, we're planning to go two years in a row and then take two years off. Same number of trips as going every other year, but without the ticket costs getting silly. Without benefiting from the annual passes, direct points don't really pan out financially.

Yup... it upsets me that DVC gets no discounts on Premier passes. Without that we have no need to buy direct since we're by DLR and wouldn't buy just a WDW pass. I can't understand why they don't give a discount, specially with DVC being at the VGC.
 
We found out today that we passed ROFR! We are so excited to call OKW our 2nd Disney home!

Word to the wise for those looking to buy resale, do not let brokers/companies pressure you to bid higher in fear of ROFR! Do your research and stick to your guns and budget. We were pressured man times to bid higher, but we knew from Disboards where people won some great deals. Our first was taken, but our second came through

Congrats! I totally agree with everything you said about not overpaying and not letting brokers talk you into paying more! Good advice.

WendyWuWu---$87-$14405-150-SSR-Sep-0/16, 150/17, 150/18- sent 3/24, passed 4/12
So happy that we're FINALLY going to be DVC owners

Congrats to you!
 
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TexasChick123- Congratulations on your contracts! I've been following your plight of passing ROFR for a bit and am happy to see you passed and are on your way to more vacations at VGF! I submitted my VGF contract on 04/01/17 and am anxiously waiting to hopefully pass ROFR.


Thank you. I may have overstared a bit, but I was all riled up last week between that shady seller and the rude broker. I'm sure you'll get some good news soon! I'm pulling for you!
 
In looking at my various closing docs, I'm realizing that there is probably a floor beyond which most sellers won't go (and I'm ever in awe of @TexasChick123 's ability to get a good deal). Original direct sales in 2009 of BLT were around $112 per point, which went up to $120 per point in 2009. I know there were discounts that brought the price into the $90s but once you factor in financing (no, we didn't do it, but if the seller did), the seller may be looking at an offer priced per point around what they paid for it (or even less) 8 years ago. Now granted they got 8 years (hopefully) of vacations out of it for the MFs, but if they're also paying off a mortgage, they're certainly not making much of a profit, and that this could factor emotionally into their negotiating.
 
I am getting anxious about our contract. It's been in ROFR for 2 weeks. It seems that many are hearing back between the 10-21 day mark currently. FX that we hear something in the next week. Last time they took our contract on day 29 :(
 
I am getting anxious about our contract. It's been in ROFR for 2 weeks. It seems that many are hearing back between the 10-21 day mark currently. FX that we hear something in the next week. Last time they took our contract on day 29 :(

Hang in there and keep trying if it gets taken. Don't overpay. As many others have said, the resale market has a lot more listings towards the end of the year when people have those MF's coming due again. Just drink some wine when you get stressed out about it. :drinking1

In looking at my various closing docs, I'm realizing that there is probably a floor beyond which most sellers won't go (and I'm ever in awe of @TexasChick123 's ability to get a good deal). Original direct sales in 2009 of BLT were around $112 per point, which went up to $120 per point in 2009. I know there were discounts that brought the price into the $90s but once you factor in financing (no, we didn't do it, but if the seller did), the seller may be looking at an offer priced per point around what they paid for it (or even less) 8 years ago. Now granted they got 8 years (hopefully) of vacations out of it for the MFs, but if they're also paying off a mortgage, they're certainly not making much of a profit, and that this could factor emotionally into their negotiating.

Thank you. :) Too bad Disney agrees with you about my deals and takes them. Hahaha. You did pretty well yourself on your deal! Regarding the appropriate price per point, in theory, it should go down every year because you have a lease on an asset with a fixed end date. Therefore, it should be worth just a little bit less every year because the total number of points (200pts x 50 years = 10,000 at the start of the contract) you own lessens every year by 200 points in this example. However, Disney masterfully keeps demand high and helps set the floor with their buybacks. If they didn't buy anything back, then these contracts could go to $0, in theory like so many other brands do. As a current owner, this is fantastic for my purchase maintaining its value. As a potential buyer, it is frustrating because I am going to receive less than the full 50 years unless I buy a new resort directly from Disney right when it is offered. Therefore, I should get it at a discount compared to the original price because it includes less points over the remaining life of the contract which isn't the full 50 years now.

Regarding people who finance these purchases: as many have stated repeatedly, this is not a good financial decision as the interest you pay eats into your savings to the point that you aren't saving a lot (if anything) over just booking through Disney. Also, you are financially obligated both with the loan and the MF's every year. Honestly, not a judgmental statement. This is just the math behind it. However, a lot of people throw logic out the window when it comes to Disney. ;) I have myself a time or two when we go there and buy stuff only to get my credit card bill and groan because I wish I wouldn't have bought that giant oversized Mickey for example!

The MBAs and marketing brain trust at Disney are very savvy, and they offer price protection which, in the end, is better for current owners like myself, and soon to be you too @kboo. That's why, while incredibly frustrating, I can't get too bent out of shape when they buy resorts back to protect what I've already bought into. :)
 
RedwoodSteve---$79-$17430-200-SSR-Dec-0/15, 0/16, 200/17, 200/18- sent 3/15, passed 4/12

Well it took them 29 days ... but woo hoo! Thanks to everyone who moderates and participates here. Its been a great support to share in the emotional rollercoaster of the ROFR process.
 
RedwoodSteve---$79-$17430-200-SSR-Dec-0/15, 0/16, 200/17, 200/18- sent 3/15, passed 4/12

Well it took them 29 days ... but woo hoo! Thanks to everyone who moderates and participates here. Its been a great support to share in the emotional rollercoaster of the ROFR process.

Woo hoo! Right up to the finish line! Congrats!
 
Well, that was fast. Got the go ahead from DH to add on 25 points direct when ready. I think at least in the near term we'll probably end up going annually, and depending on the time of year, a small add on will allow us 1BRs without having to stretch too much, plus we'll have the gold APs. Oddly, it was the merchandise discounts that put him over the top. I guess it was the thought of undiscounted princess dresses for the foreseeable future, LOL.

Hopefully I don't screw up anyone's ROFR in May-June though... (BLT Feb UY, just saying)

@TexasChick123 - your analysis is exactly how I'd look at it, too. Rationally speaking then, one should expect a 2% depreciation in $pp per year. But given that the market can't seem to price stripped v loaded contracts efficiently, I'm not sure anyone is considering this "depreciation" at all. totally agree with you re financing. I think I actually figured out how much my sellers paid by backing into it from their mortgage amount. Which in turn makes their counter to my counter make sense - it was only $1pp more than my offer ($160 total change to the purchase price), but I think that made the sale price exactly $10 pp more than they paid in 2009.
 
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